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Friday, October 11, 2024 · sitting No. 354

Liberals refuse documents in $400-million scandal as Parliament stalls

The House spent the largest share of the sitting on a privilege debate over the Liberal government's refusal to comply with an order to produce documents on a $400-million green slush fund matter. Conservative MP Raquel Dancho said the Liberals had gone to extraordinary lengths to block access by the public, the RCMP and the House. Bloc Québécois MP Christine Normandin said the government was preventing parliamentarians from holding the government to account by hiding behind the RCMP.

In Question Period the main clashes centred on the carbon tax and the economy. Conservative MP Eric Duncan said the Parliamentary Budget Officer had confirmed that the carbon tax costs households more than they receive in rebates. Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland said wages have outpaced inflation for 20 months and that Canada added 47,000 jobs in September.

Other exchanges touched on supply management legislation stuck in the Senate and money-laundering charges against TD Bank. Bloc Québécois MP Christine Normandin pressed the Prime Minister to intervene with two senators. Conservative MP Philip Lawrence asked when the government would take money laundering seriously.

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Who held the floor · 2024-10-11

Government (Liberal)OppositionOver the day: government 31%, opposition 69% of the words spokenOrders of the DayQuestion PeriodOrders of the Day▲ Government side held the floor▼ Opposition held the floorOpened 10:0511:0012:0013:00Last speech 14:10Time of day, Ottawa · the House sat 4 h 5 min · each dot is a stretch of debate, placed at the minute it began
16Another sitting that went nowhereThe sitting devoted most of its time to points of privilege and order rather than substantive debate, with only 27 percent of words on actual business. No votes were held and no bills advanced.AI-rated Score out of 100; the verdict and the answer ratings behind it are a model’s reading. How the AI rates this

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Other moments

Emergency Preparedness

Conservative MP Branden Leslie said the environment minister had known for seven years that Jasper was a tinderbox and had failed to remove deadwood or allow firefighters access. Liberal MP Adam van Koeverden said the wildfire was started by lightning and accused Conservatives of politicizing the issue.

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Pharmacare

Liberal MP Brendan Hanley said Bill C-64 received royal assent and would give millions of Canadians access to diabetes medications and contraception. NDP MP Yasir Naqvi said the NDP had ripped up the agreement that delivered the legislation.

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International Trade

Bloc Québécois MP Christine Normandin said farmers supported Bill C-282 and called on the Prime Minister to tell two Liberal-appointed senators to stop blocking it. Agriculture Minister Marie-Claude Bibeau said the government had appointed independent senators and had asked them to move the bill swiftly.

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Financial Institutions

Conservative MP Philip Lawrence asked when the government would take money laundering seriously after TD Bank was ordered to pay more than $3 billion by U.S. regulators. Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland said FINTRAC had already levied a penalty against the bank.

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Question Period, exchange by exchange

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  1. deflected
    Carbon PricingMr. Eric Duncan (Conservative) asked Arif Virani (Liberal). loaded question.The answer ignores the carbon tax question entirely and shifts to pharmacare legislation.yesterday the pharmacare bill became law in this country.
  2. deflected
    Carbon PricingMr. Eric Duncan (Conservative) asked Chrystia Freeland (Liberal). loaded question.The answer avoids the carbon tax and election call by highlighting job numbers instead.
  3. misdirected
    Carbon PricingMr. Eric Duncan (Conservative) asked Chrystia Freeland (Liberal). loaded question.The answer attacks the Conservatives' voting record rather than addressing income inequality or the carbon tax.the only party in this House that voted against tax fairness has a lot of gall getting up and talking about income inequality.
  4. deflected
    The EconomyMrs. Dominique Vien (Conservative) asked Steven MacKinnon (Liberal). rhetorical question.The answer sidesteps the election call and spending critique by celebrating pharmacare and jobs.Pharmacare is now the law in Canada.
  5. misdirected
    The EconomyMrs. Dominique Vien (Conservative) asked Jean-Yves Duclos (Liberal). loaded question.The answer pivots to attacking the Conservative leader's proposed cuts instead of responding to the election demand.What is really intolerable is hearing the Conservative leader talk about the difficulties Quebeckers are facing and then announce that he is going to hurt them
  6. partly answered
    International TradeMs. Christine Normandin (Bloc) asked Marie-Claude Bibeau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer addresses supply management protection but deflects the specific question about the Prime Minister contacting senators.we have chosen to appoint independent senators since 2015.
  7. misdirected
    International TradeMs. Christine Normandin (Bloc) asked Steven MacKinnon (Liberal). loaded question.The answer ignores the Prime Minister and senators entirely and instead criticizes the Bloc for opposing dental care.they wondered why the Bloc Québécois opposed the hundreds of dollars they are benefiting from today.
  8. deflected
    The EconomyMr. Alexandre Boulerice (NDP) asked Chrystia Freeland (Liberal). loaded question.The answer avoids the question on living costs and rich CEOs by reiterating job and wage statistics.the Canadian economy added 47,000 jobs in September and that wages have outpaced inflation for the past 20 months.
  9. partly answered
    The EconomyMr. Don Davies (NDP) asked Chrystia Freeland (Liberal). loaded question.Acknowledges inequality concern but pivots to unrelated positive stats without addressing the catering accusation.I share his concern about income inequality, and that is why I know that he shares my happiness at the jobs numbers we got this morning.
  10. answered
    Carbon PricingMr. Michael Barrett (Conservative) asked Mr. Adam van Koeverden (Liberal). loaded question.Directly refutes the claim with specific report quotes showing net gains for households.It is obvious, because, on page 1 of the report, it says Canadians "will see a net gain, receiving more from the Canada Carbon Rebate than the total amount they pay in the federal fuel charge".
  11. misdirected
    Carbon PricingMr. Michael Barrett (Conservative) asked Chrystia Freeland (Liberal). loaded question.Ignores the carbon tax question entirely and instead attacks the asker for an alleged insult.If he wants to insult a colleague for his appearance, which is never a good idea, maybe he should not pick a gold medal-winning Olympic athlete.
  12. deflected
    Carbon PricingMr. Pat Kelly (Conservative) asked Mr. Adam van Koeverden (Liberal). loaded question.Avoids the PBO cost question by attacking Conservative slogans and listing unrelated positives.It is childish, just like their slogans.
  13. deflected
    Carbon PricingMr. Pat Kelly (Conservative) asked Arif Virani (Liberal). loaded question.Ignores the election call and instead attacks NDP flip-flopping on carbon pricing.What is surprising is the complete flip-flop on this position that we have seen from the NDP.
  14. deflected
    Carbon PricingMrs. Cathay Wagantall (Conservative) asked Mr. Adam van Koeverden (Liberal). loaded question.Changes subject to climate denial accusations and extreme weather instead of addressing the election demand.the only place in the world where it seems like it is okay to never talk about climate change, commit to doing nothing about climate change and commit to actually increasing our carbon emissions seems to be the Conservative campaign room
  15. deflected
    Carbon PricingMrs. Cathay Wagantall (Conservative) asked Mr. Adam van Koeverden (Liberal). loaded question.Repeats climate science lecture and avoids any response to the carbon tax cost or election question.the blatant climate denial from the other side is absurd and childish.
  16. answered
    International TradeMr. Simon-Pierre Savard-Tremblay (Bloc) asked Marie-Claude Bibeau (Liberal). loaded question.Directly states the government's position urging independent senators to pass the bill quickly.we have been telling these senators loud and clear that Bill C‑282 was supported by the vast majority of members in the House.
  17. deflected
    International TradeMr. Simon-Pierre Savard-Tremblay (Bloc) asked Marie-Claude Bibeau (Liberal). rhetorical question.The answer ignores the question about farmers and instead attacks Conservative senators.My question, especially for my Conservative colleagues from Quebec, is whether they are doing their job and encouraging Conservative senators to vote in favour of this bill.
  18. misdirected
    Carbon PricingMr. Martin Shields (Conservative) asked Mr. Adam van Koeverden (Liberal). loaded question.The answer addresses PBO data but pivots to attack Conservatives and list unrelated metrics.
  19. misdirected
    Carbon PricingMr. Michael Kram (Conservative) asked Mr. Adam van Koeverden (Liberal). loaded question.The answer gives rebate figures but then attacks Conservatives instead of addressing the call for an election.The Conservatives do not want good news. They do not want to cheer for Canadians. They just want bad-news stories.
  20. partly answered
    Financial InstitutionsMr. Philip Lawrence (Conservative) asked Chrystia Freeland (Liberal). substantive question.The answer states actions taken on money laundering but does not address TD Bank sanctions specifically.We take money laundering very seriously. That is why we have acted to give the Superintendent of Financial Institutions more powers to oversee Canada's financial institutions.
  21. deflected
    Financial InstitutionsMr. Philip Lawrence (Conservative) asked Chrystia Freeland (Liberal). substantive question.The answer justifies US action and asks a counter-question rather than detailing Canadian charges against TD.I have a question for the member opposite. The Conservatives in this House voted against measures to protect Canada's financial systems. Why?
  22. deflected
    Indigenous AffairsMs. Lori Idlout (NDP) asked Mr. Irek Kusmierczyk (Liberal). substantive question.The answer speaks generally about skills training but does not address the specific funding cancellation for Red Fish or languages.We have made record historic investments through the indigenous skills and employment training program.
  23. partly answered
    Indigenous AffairsMr. Blake Desjarlais (NDP) asked Arif Virani (Liberal). substantive question.The answer acknowledges the issue and commits to action but offers no concrete steps on policing accountability.That is work we are committed to doing, in conjunction with the member and all members in this place who see a better vision for a future where reconciliation includes the fight against anti-indigenous discrimination.
  24. deflected
    Emergency PreparednessMr. Branden Leslie (Conservative) asked Mr. Adam van Koeverden (Liberal). loaded question.The answer attacks the question as overpoliticized instead of addressing the minister's alleged negligence.I would like to point out that the overpoliticization of this issue, the tabloidization of it, and what the Conservatives are saying on social media have been absolutely unacceptable.
  25. deflected
    Emergency PreparednessMr. Branden Leslie (Conservative) asked Mr. Adam van Koeverden (Liberal). loaded question.The answer corrects details and criticizes politicization instead of addressing the demand to remove the minister.To politicize this issue is unacceptable.
  26. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsMr. Michael Cooper (Conservative) asked Arif Virani (Liberal). substantive question.The answer avoids explaining the delay by touting the inquiry and refusing lessons from the opposition.We will not take lessons from that side of the House about how to conquer and address foreign interference
  27. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsMr. Michael Cooper (Conservative) asked Arif Virani (Liberal). substantive question.The answer claims prompt action but does not explain the specific 54-day delay mentioned.He indicated that when he was presented with the warrant, he addressed it promptly.
  28. misdirected
    SeniorsMs. Sylvie Bérubé (Bloc) asked Mr. Stéphane Lauzon (Liberal). substantive question.The answer attacks the Bloc's past votes instead of answering whether OAS will be raised for ages 65-74.She supported raising the age of pension eligibility to 67, yet now she is advocating for seniors aged 65 and over to get an increase.
  29. misdirected
    SeniorsMs. Sylvie Bérubé (Bloc) asked Steven MacKinnon (Liberal). substantive question.The answer lists past votes against other programs rather than addressing the OAS increase question.In the case of the Bloc Québécois, it voted against increasing the guaranteed income supplement.
  30. deflected
    Innovation, Science and IndustryMr. Greg McLean (Conservative) asked Mr. Kevin Lamoureux (Liberal). loaded question.The answer dismisses the request as a political game and cites institutions instead of committing to document release.We have a choice: Do we listen to the political games of the Conservatives or do we listen to institutions like the RCMP and our Auditor General?
  31. deflected
    Innovation, Science and IndustryMr. Greg McLean (Conservative) asked Mr. Kevin Lamoureux (Liberal). loaded question.The answer accuses the opposition of political games and cites RCMP concerns without addressing the Speaker's order.There is significant risk that the Motion could be interpreted as a circumvention of normal investigative processes
  32. deflected
    Innovation, Science and IndustryMrs. Laila Goodridge (Conservative) asked Arif Virani (Liberal). loaded question.The answer reframes the issue as protecting police independence and attacks Conservatives rather than committing to provide documents.That is a line that the RCMP has flagged as being crossed as we speak.
  33. deflected
    Innovation, Science and IndustryMr. Bernard Généreux (Conservative) asked Jean-Yves Duclos (Liberal). loaded question.The answer avoids the request for documents by accusing Conservatives of undermining the RCMP.the real scandal would be to give in to pressure from Conservative politicians to turn our country into a banana republic.
  34. deflected
    Innovation, Science and IndustryMr. Bernard Généreux (Conservative) asked Chrystia Freeland (Liberal). loaded question.The answer ignores the $400 million and documents entirely and shifts to unrelated economic statistics.Today, the really good news is that 47,000 good jobs were added to the Canadian economy in September.
  35. misdirected
    Innovation, Science and IndustryMr. Richard Lehoux (Conservative) asked Jean-Yves Duclos (Liberal). loaded question.The answer turns the question around by attacking the Conservative leader on an unrelated dental-care issue.Why does my colleague not invite the Conservative leader to talk to the 10,500 residents of his riding who received the new Canadian dental care plan card?
  36. deflected
    Persons with DisabilitiesMr. Alistair MacGregor (NDP) asked Mr. Stéphane Lauzon (Liberal). substantive question.The answer thanks the member but pivots to the disability benefit without addressing the ferry-access delay.I want to take this opportunity to thank my colleague on behalf of people with disabilities in Canada for his collaboration on the first Canada Disability Benefit Act.
  37. deflected
    Oil and Gas IndustryMs. Elizabeth May (Green) asked Chrystia Freeland (Liberal). loaded question.The answer thanks the member and pivots to climate policy instead of addressing knowledge or approval of the Burnaby payment.I want to go to the issue at the heart of her work, which is the need for strong climate action.
  38. answered
    Oil and Gas IndustryMs. Christine Normandin (Bloc) asked Mr. Adam van Koeverden (Liberal). substantive question.The answer directly supports the point of order by agreeing that personal attacks are inappropriate.I am struck with the reality that when people run out of arguments in this place, they resort to personal attacks.