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Tuesday, October 30, 2012 · sitting No. 172

Commons debates omnibus jobs bill as NDP presses on economy

The House devoted the largest share of its sitting to debate on the Jobs and Growth Act 2012. New Democratic MP Djaouida Sellah said the bill repeated the pattern of omnibus legislation that limited examination of its provisions. Liberal MP Kevin Lamoureux said the measure coincided with reductions in public service positions.

In Question Period NDP Leader Thomas Mulcair asked why the government was removing economic stimulus measures after the Parliamentary Budget Officer projected fewer jobs. Conservative MP John Baird said the government had already created more than 800000 net new jobs through its action plan despite NDP opposition to the measures.

Decided that day

  • C-45 passed second reading and sent to finance committee
  • C-46 advanced to second chamber

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Who held the floor · 2012-10-30

Government (Conservative)OppositionOver the day: government 47%, opposition 53% of the words spokenGovernment businessGovernment business▲ Government side held the floor▼ Opposition held the floorOpened 10:0511:0012:0013:0014:0015:0016:0017:00Last speech 18:55Time of day, Ottawa · the House sat 8 h 50 min · each dot is a stretch of debate, placed at the minute it began
56Bills inch forward, answers mostly dodgeThe sitting devoted the bulk of its time to the Jobs and Growth Act and advanced two bills through early stages, including a passed second-reading vote on C-45. Question period produced mostly deflected replies and eleven speaker interventions, though no points of order were raised.AI-rated Score out of 100; the verdict and the answer ratings behind it are a model’s reading. How the AI rates this

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Other moments

The Environment

New Democratic MP Megan Leslie said 89 per cent of protected lakes and rivers fell in Conservative ridings. Conservative MP Denis Lebel said the changes responded to long standing requests from provinces and municipalities to reduce red tape.

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Poverty

New Democratic MP Libby Davies said a Food Banks Canada report showed a 31 per cent rise in usage since before the recession. Conservative MP Shelly Glover said the Parliamentary Budget Officer report confirmed Canada's labour market was outperforming other G7 countries.

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Petitions

New Democratic MP Anne Minh-Thu Quach presented petitions calling for continued funding of research at the Experimental Lakes Area. Liberal MP Kevin Lamoureux presented a petition opposing an increase in the number of members of Parliament.

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Veterans Affairs

Conservative MP Laurie Hawn asked what steps were being taken to ease the transition of Canadian Forces members to civilian life. Conservative MP Steven Blaney said the government had announced a veterans transition action plan that included new career opportunities.

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National Defence

New Democratic MP Christine Moore asked which aircraft other than the F-35 were under consideration. Conservative MP Rona Ambrose said independent experts had been hired to review cost estimates and the procurement process.

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Question Period, exchange by exchange

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  1. deflected
    The EconomyThomas Mulcair (NDP) asked John Baird (Conservative). substantive question.The answer restates government achievements and criticizes NDP voting record instead of addressing the PBO's job loss projection.Despite the NDP voting against all of this, the measures have helped create more than 800,000 net new jobs.
  2. deflected
    The EconomyThomas Mulcair (NDP) asked John Baird (Conservative). substantive question.Rejects the premise and highlights positive outcomes without reconciling the ministers' statements.it will not come as any surprise to the leader of the NDP that I totally reject the premise of that question.
  3. deflected
    EmploymentThomas Mulcair (NDP) asked John Baird (Conservative). substantive question.Focuses on general job creation and attacks NDP rather than addressing youth-specific issues.All it wants is a big $20 billion carbon tax.
  4. partly answered
    PovertyMs. Libby Davies (NDP) asked Mrs. Shelly Glover (Conservative). substantive question.Addresses the PBO part positively but ignores the food banks report entirely.Canada's labour market is currently significantly outperforming some countries with struggling economies (e.g., the U.S., and the Euro area) and Canada also scores above average among the G7 and OECD countries
  5. answered
    PovertyMs. Libby Davies (NDP) asked Diane Finley (Conservative). substantive question.Provides specific government programs aimed at helping those struggling with poverty.We brought in the working income tax benefit and increased it.
  6. deflected
    TaxationScott Brison (Liberal) asked John Baird (Conservative). substantive question.Ignores the CRA funding question and pivots to criticizing Liberal budgeting practices.different from the Liberal Party, when we are government, the federal government presents one budget a year, not as many as three budgets that were presented when the Liberals were in power.
  7. deflected
    TaxationScott Brison (Liberal) asked John Baird (Conservative). substantive question.Avoids CRA specifics by attacking Liberal spending habits.the Liberals come into the House day after day, asking for more government spending, more taxes and more debt.
  8. deflected
    TaxationScott Brison (Liberal) asked John Baird (Conservative). substantive question.Claims good performance without addressing the comparison or specific measures.this government and the Minister of National Revenue have done an extraordinarily good job in ensuring that every Canadian pays his or her fair share
  9. deflected
    The EnvironmentMs. Megan Leslie (NDP) asked Denis Lebel (Conservative). loaded question.Answer pivots to red tape and navigation without addressing the environmental protection claim.Under our plan, only projects likely to offset navigation require approval to changes about navigation.
  10. deflected
    The EnvironmentMs. Megan Leslie (NDP) asked Denis Lebel (Conservative). loaded question.Answer quotes municipalities on red tape and ignores the partisan protection claim.The changes announced today will allow local governments to spend less time processing paperwork for small, low-risk public works projects by removing redundancies, red tape and project delays that result in higher costs for property tax payers.
  11. deflected
    The EnvironmentMs. Anne Minh-Thu Quach (NDP) asked Denis Lebel (Conservative). loaded question.Answer addresses navigation and municipalities but evades the partisan lakes selection accusation.The municipalities and the provinces have been calling for these measures for years.
  12. deflected
    The EnvironmentMs. Anne Minh-Thu Quach (NDP) asked Denis Lebel (Conservative). loaded question.Answer repeats municipal quote on red tape while avoiding the fairness and Quebec lakes question.Municipal leaders have consistently called for common sense reforms in Ottawa that deliver better results for Canadians.
  13. deflected
    The EnvironmentMs. Jean Crowder (NDP) asked Denis Lebel (Conservative). loaded question.Answer cites construction association and sticks to navigation without addressing B.C. rivers at risk.This new legislation will certainly help construction companies better predict their own requirements on future construction projects
  14. partly answered
    The EnvironmentMr. Charlie Angus (NDP) asked Denis Lebel (Conservative). loaded question.Answer directly explains data sources used for the protected list, addressing the selection claim.data from the Canadian Hydrographic Service's nautical charts, Statistics Canada data on freight movement and historical data from the Navigable Waters Protection Program was used to create the list.
  15. deflected
    The EnvironmentMr. Charlie Angus (NDP) asked Denis Lebel (Conservative). loaded question.Answer quotes rural municipalities and avoids the Muskoka millionaires accusation entirely.the Saskatchewan Association of Rural Municipalities applauds the federal government for the introduction of amendments to the Navigable Waters Protection Act.
  16. answered
    Foreign InvestmentMs. Hélène Laverdière (NDP) asked Ed Fast (Conservative). substantive question.Answer directly addresses the ratification debate opportunity, reciprocity, and transparency concerns raised.it is fully reciprocal. It is designed to protect and promote Canadian investment by setting out a clear set of rules under which investment takes place and a clear set of rules under which dispute resolutions take
  17. deflected
    Foreign InvestmentMr. Paul Dewar (NDP) asked Ed Fast (Conservative). loaded question.Promotes the deal and attacks NDP on carbon tax rather than addressing the scheduling request.What has the NDP done recently to promote trade and investment? The answer is a mammoth carbon tax that would be sucked out of the pockets of Canadian taxpayers. Shame on those members.
  18. partly answered
    Citizenship and ImmigrationRalph Goodale (Liberal) asked Jason Kenney (Conservative). substantive question.Provides case details and stresses independent enforcement but does not address the request for review.we have an immigration system that is predicated on the rule of law where laws are enforced independently by highly-trained public servants
  19. deflected
    Citizenship and ImmigrationRalph Goodale (Liberal) asked Jason Kenney (Conservative). substantive question.Avoids answering by criticizing the member for questioning public servants.it is interesting that the member seems to be interposing his judgment for that of our highly trained public servants
  20. misdirected
    Public SafetyMs. Judy Foote (Liberal) asked Vic Toews (Conservative). loaded question.Defends by claiming unawareness and calls the accusation scurrilous instead of addressing the timeline or hypocrisy claim.For that person to make that kind of accusation is simply scurrilous, and she knows better.
  21. partly answered
    LabourMr. Randall Garrison (NDP) asked Mrs. Shelly Glover (Conservative). substantive question.Notes proposed amendments and that the bill is private member's legislation under committee review.there are actually some amendments that will be proposed to deal with some of these measures
  22. misdirected
    LabourMr. Alexandre Boulerice (NDP) asked Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). substantive question.Ignores the bill question entirely and attacks NDP on donations and separatism.it is obvious the reason why NDP members would not want to have any more transparency when it comes to unions. After all, they already accepted at least $340,000 in illegal union money.
  23. misdirected
    EthicsMr. Alexandre Boulerice (NDP) asked Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). loaded question.Responds by attacking back on NDP illegal donations instead of explaining the minister's campaign issues.I find the audacity of the hon. member impressive, his ability to stand and talk about illegal donations when he and the rest of his party, especially his leader, tried to cover up $340,000 in illegal union money.
  24. misdirected
    EthicsMr. Jack Harris (NDP) asked Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). substantive question.Shifts focus to NDP illegal union money instead of addressing the minister's campaign donations.The real issue before the House is when the NDP will own up to the $340,000 in illegal union money that it forced out of the pockets of unwilling workers right across this country.
  25. deflected
    National DefenceMs. Christine Moore (NDP) asked Rona Ambrose (Conservative). substantive question.Answer defends the review process without naming any aircraft options.I am not clear if the member is opposed to using outside experts and independent members to review the work that we are doing, but I am definitely in favour of it.
  26. deflected
    National DefenceMr. Matthew Kellway (NDP) asked Rona Ambrose (Conservative). substantive question.Answer restates the seven-point plan and independent validation without addressing the requirements or naming planes.again, the member knows full well that we have set up the National Fighter Procurement Secretariat to ensure that there is full transparency and due diligence in the seven-point plan.
  27. deflected
    PovertyMs. Chris Charlton (NDP) asked Diane Finley (Conservative). substantive question.Answer lists existing programs and attacks the NDP instead of addressing a long-term poverty strategy.It is a real shame that the NDP has not supported any one of these initiatives.
  28. deflected
    PovertyMs. Marjolaine Boutin-Sweet (NDP) asked Diane Finley (Conservative). substantive question.Answer repeats prior measures and criticizes the NDP without addressing CMHC privatization or food bank crisis.Unfortunately, the NDP opposes all of our efforts.
  29. deflected
    PensionsStéphane Dion (Liberal) asked Diane Finley (Conservative). substantive question.Answer expresses confusion and does not engage with the cost-offset question.I am not quite sure where that question is going—
  30. misdirected
    EthicsMs. Lise St-Denis (Liberal) asked Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). substantive question.Answer attacks Liberals on unrelated issues instead of addressing the Labrador member's conduct.after being rejected by Canadians in the last election, the Liberals are trying to explain the loss by conducting a smear campaign against the Conservatives
  31. deflected
    Arts and CultureMr. Pierre Nantel (NDP) asked Mr. Paul Calandra (Conservative). substantive question.Answer justifies funding withdrawal by citing taxpayer support without addressing the loss of the organization due to dissent.after 35 years, this organization is still receiving some 60% of its operating funding from the hard-working taxpayers of this country.
  32. deflected
    Arts and CultureMr. Andrew Cash (NDP) asked Mr. Paul Calandra (Conservative). substantive question.Answer defends transition funding and lists other investments without addressing political interference in arts funding.This government is making a lot of investments in arts and culture.
  33. misdirected
    Mining IndustryMs. Niki Ashton (NDP) asked Christian Paradis (Conservative). substantive question.Answer ignores the request to intervene with Vale and instead attacks the opposition's carbon tax policy.One thing is certain: imposing a $21 billion carbon tax on Canadians will not keep jobs here in Canada.
  34. deflected
    Search and RescueMs. Annick Papillon (NDP) asked Gail Shea (Conservative). substantive question.Answer addresses risk and bilingual services but avoids confirming or denying any postponement of the closure.search and rescue is the highest priority of the Canadian Coast Guard and the consolidation of the marine rescue sub-centre in Quebec will in no way increase any risk to the public.
  35. partly answered
    Mining IndustryMr. Louis Plamondon (Bloc) asked Maxime Bernier (Conservative). loaded question.Answer rebuts the abandonment claim and states the centre remains open but does not address meeting stakeholders or ending uncertainty.Unlike what the member said, this centre will remain open.
  36. misdirected
    Points of OrderMr. Kennedy Stewart (NDP) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). rhetorical question.Statement is not a question and the reply shifts to tabling a platform document rather than engaging the point raised.I would simply remind the hon. member that I have tabled before the House a copy of the platform under which he ran, in which there was a $21.5 billion—