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Tuesday, June 12, 2012 · sitting No. 139

Government moves time allocation on omnibus budget bill

Conservative House leader Peter Van Loan moved a motion to allot no more than 10 further hours at report stage and eight hours at third reading for Bill C-38, the jobs growth and long-term prosperity act. The motion would end debate at the expiry of those hours. NDP House leader Nathan Cullen said the motion marked the 26th use of time allocation by the government and described the bill as a Trojan Horse that alters more than 70 acts.

Conservative MP Ted Menzies defended the process and said the opposition had already consumed 13 hours of debate that amounted to Twitter regurgitation. Green Party MP Elizabeth May disputed claims of abundant debate and noted that budget bills from 1995 to 2000 averaged 12 pages while Bill C-38 runs to more than 400 pages.

In Question Period NDP leader Thomas Mulcair pressed the Prime Minister on reductions to environmental assessments contained in the bill. Prime Minister Stephen Harper replied that assessments would continue at other levels of government and that resource development remains essential to the economy.

Decided that day

  • Third reading of the budget bill passed
  • Motion to put the question passed
  • Budget implementation motion passed

From the Hansard record of the sitting. Full Hansard

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Who held the floor · 2012-06-12

Government (Conservative)OppositionOver the day: government 49%, opposition 51% of the words spokenGovernment businessGovernment business▲ Government side held the floor▼ Opposition held the floorOpened 10:0512:0013:0014:0015:0016:0017:0018:0019:0020:0021:00Last speech 23:35Time of day, Ottawa · the House sat 13 h 30 min · each dot is a stretch of debate, placed at the minute it began
63Budget bill passes amid procedural clashesThe House devoted most of its time to the budget implementation bill and pension legislation, passing three recorded votes that advanced the measures. Frequent points of order, repeated calls to order, and mostly deflected answers during question period limited the sense of orderly progress.AI-rated Score out of 100; the verdict and the answer ratings behind it are a model’s reading. How the AI rates this

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Other moments

Pensions

NDP MP Lysane Blanchette-Lamothe asked why the government chose 2023 to raise the age of eligibility for old age security. Conservative MP Kellie Leitch said the change would be gradual from 2023 to 2029 to maintain program sustainability.

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Health

NDP MP Libby Davies said the government had broken its promise not to download health costs to the provinces. Conservative MP Ted Menzies replied that transfers would rise 6 per cent annually to 2017 and then at least 3 per cent.

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Public Safety

NDP MP Randall Garrison said clause 378 of the budget bill would eliminate the Office of the Inspector General of CSIS. Public Safety Minister Vic Toews said the move would remove $800,000 in unnecessary administrative costs while preserving independent oversight by SIRC.

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National Defence

NDP MP Christine Moore said the government had missed its own deadline to table updated F-35 cost estimates. Associate Defence Minister Rona Ambrose said the figures would not be tabled until independently validated.

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Question Period, exchange by exchange

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  1. deflected
    The EnvironmentMr. Thomas Mulcair (NDP) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). loaded question.Answer defends resource development generally without addressing specific acts gutted or budget bill placement.It is an important resource for the Canadian economy.
  2. deflected
    The EnvironmentMr. Thomas Mulcair (NDP) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). loaded question.Answer claims assessments continue at other levels but avoids addressing drop in numbers or omnibus bill concerns.We do not need to duplicate those efforts at the federal level.
  3. misdirected
    The EnvironmentMr. Thomas Mulcair (NDP) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). loaded question.Answer shifts to job creation record and study length instead of addressing the quoted principle on omnibus bills.We have had a record amount of study of this particular piece of legislation.
  4. answered
    HealthMs. Libby Davies (NDP) asked Ted Menzies (Conservative). substantive question.Answer directly corrects the premise on health transfer cuts with specific percentage and floor details.We actually planned for increases to health care transfers of 6% going forward.
  5. deflected
    HealthMs. Libby Davies (NDP) asked Leona Aglukkaq (Conservative). loaded question.Answer repeats transfer increase figures but ignores pharmacare plan and OAS health impacts raised.Our government has increased transfers at every opportunity, from $19 billion when we formed government to $27 billion this year and up to $40 billion.
  6. deflected
    The BudgetBob Rae (Liberal) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). loaded question.Answer pivots to economic performance and job growth without addressing the omnibus bill abuse of Parliament claim.Canada's economic performance in what has been a very difficult time for the world remains superior to most other developed nations
  7. misdirected
    The BudgetBob Rae (Liberal) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). loaded question.Answer repeats economic focus and ignores the direct dictatorship and corruption accusation.Our performance remains superior to most other developed nations, but we are in a very difficult international financial situation and there is much to be done.
  8. misdirected
    The BudgetBob Rae (Liberal) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). loaded question.Answer counters with job numbers and debt ratio then attacks the asker personally on leadership instead of record.I notice that the man who said that he would never run for the permanent leadership of his party is now, apparently, prepared to accept it, which I guess proves, down in that corner of the House, lack of power can corrupt.
  9. deflected
    Fisheries and OceansMr. Philip Toone (NDP) asked Keith Ashfield (Conservative). substantive question.The answer lists general improvements to the Act but never addresses the duration of temporary disruption.We are going to focus on fish and fish habitat and not on farmers' fields.
  10. deflected
    Fisheries and OceansMr. Robert Chisholm (NDP) asked Keith Ashfield (Conservative). loaded question.The answer dismisses the premise as fabrication and pivots to a supportive quote instead of addressing the risk explanation.that is an absolutely ridiculous fabrication.
  11. partly answered
    Public SafetyMr. Randall Garrison (NDP) asked Vic Toews (Conservative). substantive question.The answer explains the cost-saving rationale and continued SIRC role but does not address why oversight tools are being removed.what we are doing is eliminating $800,000 in administrative costs that do not contribute to oversight.
  12. misdirected
    Public SafetyMs. Rosane Doré Lefebvre (NDP) asked Vic Toews (Conservative). loaded question.The answer attacks the premise about the Inspector General's objectivity rather than clarifying the oversight change.it is rather odd that the NDP member would get up and say, "Somebody reporting to you should still continue because that person is somehow objective".
  13. partly answered
    National DefenceMs. Christine Moore (NDP) asked Rona Ambrose (Conservative). substantive question.The answer outlines the seven-point plan and validation requirement but does not justify delaying disclosure beyond the fall.We have responded to the Auditor General's concerns with a seven-point plan for the process to replace Canada's fighter jets.
  14. deflected
    National DefenceMs. Christine Moore (NDP) asked Rona Ambrose (Conservative). loaded question.The answer repeats the validation requirement without addressing the broken 60-day timeline commitment.There is still work to be done.
  15. deflected
    National DefenceMr. Matthew Kellway (NDP) asked Rona Ambrose (Conservative). substantive question.The answer reiterates the seven-point plan and validation stance while ignoring the specific briefings on costing errors.We have put in place a seven-point plan to respond to the Auditor General's comments.
  16. deflected
    National DefenceMr. Matthew Kellway (NDP) asked Rona Ambrose (Conservative). substantive question.The answer again cites the Auditor General and validation process without providing or committing to any cost figures.We will not table cost estimates from the Department of National Defence in the House until they are independently validated and verified.
  17. misdirected
    National DefenceMr. Jack Harris (NDP) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.The question assumes without evidence that the focus is on embarrassment rather than the system, and the answer attacks the asker for scoring points instead of addressing the core concern.it is unfortunate that he is trying to score political points on such a serious issue
  18. deflected
    EthicsMr. Scott Andrews (Liberal) asked Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). loaded question.The question builds on unproven allegations and demands action based on them, while the answer restates prior claims without engaging the demand.the parliamentary secretary has indicated that he submitted all the elections financing related documents back to the agency almost four years ago
  19. deflected
    EthicsMr. Scott Andrews (Liberal) asked Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). loaded question.The question repeats unproven ethics claims and pressures the PM, while the answer pivots to mocking the asker and restating the same point.I thank the hon. member for reminding me of that particular commitment, which I made in a university essay many years ago
  20. partly answered
    Aboriginal AffairsCarolyn Bennett (Liberal) asked John Duncan (Conservative). loaded question.The question assumes total failure and personal refusal by the minister, and the answer begins to address the program but is cut off.we are committed to providing northerners with healthy food choices at affordable prices
  21. misdirected
    Aboriginal AffairsCarolyn Bennett (Liberal) asked John Duncan (Conservative). rhetorical question.The interjection is not a question but an attack, and the response attacks the Liberals rather than addressing any substance.the Liberals are 10% of this place and make 90% of the noise in this place
  22. answered
    PensionsMs. Lysane Blanchette-Lamothe (NDP) asked Ms. Kellie Leitch (Conservative). substantive question.The question asks for justification of the 2023 date, and the answer directly explains the timeline and rationale.in order to maintain the sustainability of OAS, the age of eligibility will be gradually raised to the age of 67, starting in 2023 and gradually increasing to 2029
  23. misdirected
    PensionsMs. Lysane Blanchette-Lamothe (NDP) asked Ms. Kellie Leitch (Conservative). loaded question.The question assumes theft and poor choices, and the answer counters by questioning the NDP instead of detailing the choice.I would like to ask the NDP why it is that every one of these initiatives that we take to support seniors and young people in our country it never seems to want to support them
  24. partly answered
    PensionsMs. Irene Mathyssen (NDP) asked Ms. Kellie Leitch (Conservative). loaded question.The question assumes the changes are unnecessary and harmful, and the answer restates the sustainability goal but does not address the specific impacts raised.in order to ensure that we have a sustainable social system, we are gradually increasing the age from 65 to 67, from 2023 to 2029
  25. misdirected
    PensionsMs. Irene Mathyssen (NDP) asked Ted Menzies (Conservative). loaded question.Answer ignores the CPP/PRPP criticism and pivots to attacking NDP voting record and OAS misunderstanding.It is absolutely unbelievable.
  26. misdirected
    EthicsMr. Alexandre Boulerice (NDP) asked Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). loaded question.Answer deflects by accusing the asker of supporting a separatist party instead of addressing the election call reporting issue.The member opposite made donations to an openly separatist party, Québec solidaire.
  27. misdirected
    EthicsMr. Alexandre Boulerice (NDP) asked Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). loaded question.Answer again avoids the documents question and repeats the attack on the asker's donations to Québec solidaire.I invite the member to stand in this House and confirm if he continues to be an active financial supporter of the hardest line separatist party in Quebec.
  28. misdirected
    EthicsMr. Charlie Angus (NDP) asked Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). loaded question.Answer refuses to address document accuracy and instead questions NDP union donations.
  29. misdirected
    EthicsMr. Charlie Angus (NDP) asked Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). loaded question.Answer sidesteps the call for stepping aside and pivots to defending the MP while attacking NDP on union donations.They were audited. They were verified.
  30. partly answered
    National DefenceMr. Marc Garneau (Liberal) asked Rona Ambrose (Conservative). loaded question.Answer directly addresses the cost estimate criticism and seven-point plan but ignores the broader incompetence charge.We agree with the Auditor General.
  31. deflected
    Shipbuilding IndustryGeoff Regan (Liberal) asked Rona Ambrose (Conservative). loaded question.Answer restates the shipyard selection process without addressing the lack of signed contracts or delivery failures.after a very transparent, successful and competitive process, two shipyards were chosen in Canada to build our Navy and Coast Guard ships moving forward.
  32. deflected
    CultureMs. Niki Ashton (NDP) asked James Moore (Conservative). loaded question.Answer claims no cuts occurred and notes prior announcement but does not engage with the impact on Franco-Manitoban culture.
  33. answered
    Riel House National Historic Site of CanadaMr. Pat Martin (NDP) asked Peter Kent (Conservative). loaded question.Answer directly addresses the funding cut and site status while noting insufficient facts.We have not eliminated the budget. We have trimmed the budget.
  34. deflected
    Riel House National Historic Site of CanadaDenis Coderre (Liberal) asked Peter Kent (Conservative). loaded question.Answer begins by dismissing the question as bluster rather than engaging the funding request.Mr. Speaker, bluster cannot compensate for a deficiency of facts.
  35. misdirected
    Canada PostMs. Francine Raynault (NDP) asked Steven Fletcher (Conservative). loaded question.Answer pivots to attacking the NDP and union bosses instead of addressing rural post office cuts.The NDP members just care about their big union bosses, rather than the average Canadian.
  36. partly answered
    Canadian HeritageMr. Denis Blanchette (NDP) asked Peter Kent (Conservative). substantive question.Answer corrects facts on consolidation and mentions working with Quebec but does not address costs or local economic benefits.Artifacts that are currently stored in Quebec City, which have no appropriate place of presentation, can be more efficiently consolidated along with other stored artifacts across the country in Gatineau, Québec.
  37. misdirected
    Bill C-38Mr. Louis Plamondon (Bloc) asked Christian Paradis (Conservative). loaded question.Answer highlights job creation broadly instead of addressing specific cuts to Quebec institutions in Bill C-38.on the contrary, since our economic action plan was implemented, 750,000 net new jobs have been created across the country.