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Thursday, December 3, 2009 · sitting No. 123
Commons debates committee report on torture cases amid stimulus bill time allocation
The House spent the largest share of its sitting on committees business. Members considered multiple reports including the third report of the Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security. New Democrat MP Don Davies moved concurrence in the report that examined post-9/11 policies and cases involving Maher Arar, Abdullah Almalki, Ahmad El Maati and Muayyed Nureddin.
Liberal MP Paul Szabo and New Democrat MP Don Davies raised the case of Canadian citizen Hussein Celil held in China. New Democrat MP Wayne Marston pressed the government on Canada's failure to ratify the United Nations Optional Protocol to the Convention against Torture. The debate occupied 21 per cent of the sitting.
Question period featured exchanges on Afghanistan detainee treatment and the government's decision to end funding for KAIROS. Conservative MP John Baird defended the record on human rights while Liberal MP Bob Rae questioned whether findings at the National Directorate of Security indicated systemic problems.
Decided that day
- Ways and Means motion to amend the Excise Tax Act passed
- Bill C-487 introduced
From the Hansard record of the sitting. Full Hansard
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Who held the floor · 2009-12-03
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Other moments
Disposition of an Act to amend the Excise Tax Act
Government House leader Jay Hill moved time allocation on a bill to amend the Excise Tax Act, limiting second reading debate to one sitting day.
Read the exchangeThe Environment
Bloc Québécois MP Bernard Bigras asked Environment Minister Jim Prentice to recognize Quebec's 1990 base year for greenhouse gas reductions rather than 2006.
Read the exchangeFirearms Registry
Bloc Québécois MP Nicole Demers urged Status of Women Minister Helena Guergis to maintain the gun registry, citing pleas from Polytechnique survivor Nathalie Provost.
Read the exchangeStatus of Women
Liberal MP Anita Neville called for a national public inquiry into more than 520 murdered or missing aboriginal women and girls.
Read the exchangeTourism Industry
Minister of State Diane Ablonczy announced that China had granted Canada approved destination status following the Prime Minister's visit.
Read the exchangeQuestion Period, exchange by exchange
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- deflectedAfghanistanBob Rae (Liberal) asked John Baird (Conservative). substantive question.The answer cites general visits without addressing the specific cable discovery or systemic issue raised.
And there was nothing discovered.
- deflectedAfghanistanBob Rae (Liberal) asked John Baird (Conservative). substantive question.The answer quotes officials on general measures but ignores the specific instrument of torture and systemic question.
The reports in question did not indicate that Canadian transferred detainees had been subject to mistreatment.
- misdirectedHuman RightsBob Rae (Liberal) asked John Baird (Conservative). loaded question.The question assumes a false premise of reactionary decision and the answer attacks unrelated events instead of addressing KAIROS funding.
When Durban I was going on, it was this party and the Prime Minister who called on Canada to abstain and not to go.
- deflectedAfghanistanUjjal Dosanjh (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.The answer shifts blame to the previous government and redefines the Red Cross concerns rather than addressing the one-year inaction claim.
when the Red Cross first started raising concerns, it was under the previous government, going back to 2005.
- misdirectedAfghanistanUjjal Dosanjh (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.The answer attacks the asker and pivots to a different committee point instead of addressing the cover-up and continued transfers.
However, I want to come back to the question from the member for Toronto Centre when he talked about a revelation at committee yesterday.
- partly answeredAfghanistanMr. Gilles Duceppe (Bloc) asked John Baird (Conservative). substantive question.The answer addresses the memos indirectly by explaining the prisoner transfer agreement but does not confirm receipt by the former minister.
That is the very reason the government instituted a prisoner transfer agreement.
- deflectedAfghanistanMr. Gilles Duceppe (Bloc) asked John Baird (Conservative). loaded question.The answer quotes a witness on lack of information but avoids admitting any Geneva convention violation or protocol change implications.
We did not have information suggesting that Canadian transferred detainees had been mistreated prior to April 2007.
- deflectedAfghanistanMr. Claude Bachand (Bloc) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.The answer describes the current improved process without addressing the commission's lack of access or past torture claims.
There is a much improved, much enhanced process now in place because of the hard work of our officials.
- deflectedAfghanistanMr. Claude Bachand (Bloc) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.The answer explains the redaction process but pivots to questioning the asker's concern for soldiers rather than addressing the democracy and censorship claim.
I wish the member would express the same concern for our soldiers.
- deflectedForeign AffairsJack Layton (NDP) asked John Baird (Conservative). loaded question.The answer reports on stimulus commitments and growth but ignores the question about figures not adding up and lack of visible jobs.
this government reported to Canadians yesterday that some 97% of the funds for this year have been committed.
- misdirectedForeign AffairsJack Layton (NDP) asked John Baird (Conservative). loaded question.The answer attacks the NDP-Liberal accord and tax preferences instead of addressing the deficit, job record, or corporate tax choices.
it was just one short year ago that the leader of the NDP signed an accord with the Liberals to basically embrace every tax cut that this government has brought in.
- misdirectedForeign AffairsJack Layton (NDP) asked John Baird (Conservative). loaded question.The answer shifts to praising government human rights actions abroad and ignores the KAIROS funding cut question entirely.
It is this government that has done more to protect Canadian values of human rights and democracy than any government in our history.
- partly answeredAfghanistanDominic LeBlanc (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.The answer addresses redactions by explaining they are done by non-partisan officials but does not specify what was hidden in the human rights section.
With respect to redactions, I would remind the member again that this is done by arm's-length, non-partisan individuals working at the Department of Justice and other areas.
- deflectedAfghanistanDominic LeBlanc (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.The answer defends redactions and civil servants but attacks the opposition for casting aspersions instead of committing to a public inquiry.
It is interesting that with the benefit of four years of hindsight and from the comfort and security of this chamber how the members opposite can continue to cast aspersions about our professional civil servants
- deflectedAfghanistanMs. Judy Foote (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.The answer claims nothing was ignored but then broadens to general Afghan abuses and insults the member instead of addressing the specific Red Cross warnings.
Here is a news flash for the member opposite.
- partly answeredAfghanistanMs. Judy Foote (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.The answer cites a Red Cross clarification on meetings but does not name attendees or detail discussions as asked.
Bernard Barrett, the Red Cross spokesperson, said in Washington he would never share confidential information.
- deflectedThe EnvironmentMr. Bernard Bigras (Bloc) asked Jim Prentice (Conservative). loaded question.The answer avoids the reference year and Quebec efforts by attacking the Bloc's positions instead.
Does it want an integrated carbon exchange with the Americans or with the Europeans?
- deflectedThe EnvironmentMr. Bernard Bigras (Bloc) asked Jim Prentice (Conservative). substantive question.The answer discusses federal representation and consultation but does not address the differing reference years or targets.
The Conservative government represents all Canadians.
- deflectedFirearms RegistryMs. Nicole Demers (Bloc) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.The answer emphasizes criminal law changes but does not address maintaining the gun registry.
That is why our government has embarked on an agenda of aggressive changes to our criminal law, to create real consequences for those who wish to engage in gun crime and otherwise.
- misdirectedFirearms RegistryMs. Nicole Demers (Bloc) asked Helena Guergis (Conservative). loaded question.The answer attacks the Liberal registry and shifts to unrelated funding rather than addressing the registry's role in preventing violence against women.
the Liberal gun registry did absolutely nothing to make Canadians safer.
- partly answeredStatus of WomenAnita Neville (Liberal) asked Helena Guergis (Conservative). substantive question.The answer addresses support for Sisters in Spirit but does not commit to a national public investigation.
we are supporting Sisters in Spirit, which is led by the Native Women's Association of Canada, as it should be.
- partly answeredStatus of WomenMr. Todd Russell (Liberal) asked Helena Guergis (Conservative). substantive question.The answer reiterates support for Sisters in Spirit research but does not address launching an investigation for justice.
We are supporting Sisters in Spirit, a five year research project that is not to end until March 2010.
- deflectedStatus of WomenMrs. Alexandra Mendes (Liberal) asked Helena Guergis (Conservative). loaded question.The answer lists other measures but avoids addressing inclusion of sex in hate propaganda legislation.
We passed the Tackling Violent Crime Act.
- misdirectedJusticeMr. Borys Wrzesnewskyj (Liberal) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). loaded question.The answer attacks the Liberals' record instead of explaining the veto on adding sex to hate crimes legislation.
a better question is why did the Liberals do nothing in their 13 years in government?
- deflectedTourism IndustryMr. Brian Masse (NDP) asked Diane Ablonczy (Conservative). loaded question.The answer avoids addressing the HST impact or shelving it by noting provincial jurisdiction and listing unrelated federal tourism spending.
tax harmonization, as the House knows, is a matter under provincial jurisdiction.
- answeredTax HarmonizationMr. Joe Comartin (NDP) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). loaded question.The minister directly clarifies that no HST is being imposed on provinces and decisions remain provincial.
I can assure the member that nothing is being pushed on anyone.
- partly answeredInfrastructureMr. Mario Laframboise (Bloc) asked John Baird (Conservative). loaded question.The response acknowledges cooperation with Quebec but does not address extending the deadline.
We are always ready to work with my colleague and with the mayors and councillors from Quebec.
- misdirectedInfrastructureMr. Mario Laframboise (Bloc) asked John Baird (Conservative). substantive question.The answer attacks the Bloc Québécois voting record instead of addressing project deadlines or flexibility.
People in Quebec are wondering why the Bloc voted against all these measures.
- answeredInfrastructureJohn McCallum (Liberal) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). substantive question.The minister explains the meaning of the 97% commitment figure and references ongoing projects.
We do have 97% of the funding committed.
- deflectedInfrastructureJohn McCallum (Liberal) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). loaded question.The response restates project and job numbers without reconciling the specific disbursement discrepancy raised.
There are more than 8,000 projects under way now.
- partly answeredThe EnvironmentMs. Linda Duncan (NDP) asked Jim Prentice (Conservative). substantive question.The answer states Canada's Copenhagen target but pivots to criticizing the opposition's proposed reductions.
Canada is committed to going to Copenhagen with the targets that we have announced of minus 20% by 2020 from a 2006 base.
- deflectedThe EnvironmentMs. Linda Duncan (NDP) asked Jim Prentice (Conservative). substantive question.The answer criticizes opposition targets rather than addressing support for the renewable sector.
The real danger to the Canadian economy resides on that side of the House.
- partly answeredHuman RightsMr. Gerard Kennedy (Liberal) asked Jason Kenney (Conservative). substantive question.The answer addresses human rights in China broadly but does not confirm raising the specific case or calling for release.
I know the Prime Minister did raise issues related to human rights in China today.
- deflectedQuebec City ArmouryMs. Christiane Gagnon (Bloc) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.The response discusses ongoing consultations without addressing when rebuilding will occur.
We are still trying to determine how to proceed and to identify a solution for the Quebec City Armoury.