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Monday, December 1, 2008 · sitting No. 10

House devotes majority of sitting to economic statement debate

The House spent the largest share of its sitting on debate of the government's economic and fiscal statement under Government Orders. Bloc Québécois MP Pierre Paquette said the statement contained only insignificant measures and lacked a plan to address the crisis or assist its victims. Conservative MP Ted Menzies replied that the government would examine suggestions from the Bloc during its pre-budget consultations.

In Question Period Liberal Leader Stéphane Dion asked Prime Minister Stephen Harper whether the government still enjoyed the confidence of the House after delivering a fiscal update focused on politics rather than stimulus. Harper said the government had already received a vote of confidence on the Speech from the Throne and that the budget should determine its future.

Decided that day

  • Bills C-237, C-238, C-239, C-240, S-2, C-2 and C-241 introduced

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Who held the floor · 2008-12-01

Government (Conservative)OppositionOver the day: government 42%, opposition 58% of the words spokenGovernment businessQuestion PeriodGovernment business▲ Government side held the floor▼ Opposition held the floorOpened 11:0012:0013:0014:0015:0016:0017:00Last speech 18:05Time of day, Ottawa · the House sat 7 h 5 min · each dot is a stretch of debate, placed at the minute it began
64Economy Debate Yields Seven New BillsThe sitting focused heavily on the economic and fiscal statement with little else advancing. Several bills were introduced while question period produced mostly evasive replies and six calls to order.AI-rated Score out of 100; the verdict and the answer ratings behind it are a model’s reading. How the AI rates this

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Other moments

Pay Equity

NDP MP Thomas Mulcair asked whether the government would restore women's right to equal pay for work of equal value after the economic statement criticized the existing regime, and Conservative MP Vic Toews replied that the government was resolving complaints through collective bargaining to avoid lengthy delays.

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Automotive Industry

Liberal MP Francis Valeriote said the Conservatives had no meaningful plan for the auto sector and had chosen political games over help, while Conservative MP Tony Clement said the government would provide assistance only after receiving a plan from automakers.

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Older Workers

Bloc Québécois MP Yves Lessard proposed an income support program for older workers facing layoffs and said the government's refusal showed insensitivity, while Human Resources Minister Diane Finley said the targeted initiative for older workers was helping them prepare for new jobs.

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Foreign Affairs

Bloc Québécois MP Jean Dorion asked when the government would implement a repatriation plan for Canadians stranded in Thailand, and Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon said the embassy was working around the clock and considering chartered flights via Hong Kong.

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Question Period, exchange by exchange

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  1. misdirected
    The EconomyStéphane Dion (Liberal) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). loaded question.The answer evades the confidence question by attacking the asker instead of addressing it.When the hon. gentleman speaks about playing politics, I think he is about to play the biggest political game in Canadian history.
  2. deflected
    The EconomyStéphane Dion (Liberal) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). loaded question.The answer restates the government's record without addressing the rule of conduct question.We received a vote of confidence from this House on the Speech from the Throne.
  3. misdirected
    The EconomyStéphane Dion (Liberal) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). loaded question.The answer attacks the opposition's motives and allies rather than addressing the call for a confidence vote.I would certainly not want to find myself governing this economy today in a situation that required me to follow socialist economics and to be at the behest of a veto of the separatists.
  4. partly answered
    The EconomyMr. Michael Savage (Liberal) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). loaded question.The answer lists stimulus measures but ignores the attack on public service rights and trust question.This is vitally important in a time of economic turbulence.
  5. misdirected
    The EconomyMr. Michael Savage (Liberal) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). loaded question.The answer attacks the opposition's economic understanding and NDP deal instead of addressing the trust question.They would rather make a deal with the devil.
  6. deflected
    The EconomyMr. Gilles Duceppe (Bloc) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). loaded question.The answer lists measures from the statement but does not address the lack of new stimulus or confidence.That is quite a lot in two weeks.
  7. deflected
    The EconomyMr. Gilles Duceppe (Bloc) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). loaded question.The answer defends the 2004 letter but attacks the coalition idea without addressing the double-talk charge.It is astounding to see the party once led by Laurier and Trudeau applauding the leader of the Bloc.
  8. partly answered
    The EconomyMr. Jean-Yves Laforest (Bloc) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). loaded question.The answer acknowledges the BQ plan and notes stimulus level but ignores rejected suggestions and confidence.It is 2% of GDP in 2009, which is exactly our commitment to the G7 and G20.
  9. misdirected
    The EconomyMr. Jean-Yves Laforest (Bloc) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). loaded question.Answer defends actions taken but pivots to attacking the opposition's stance instead of addressing confidence in the government.All of that is in the fall economic statement which I gather the hon. member, his party and his friends are against.
  10. misdirected
    The EconomyJack Layton (NDP) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). loaded question.Answer ignores the question on economic action and instead attacks the questioner's party dealings with separatists.When we are talking about why people should have confidence, why should anybody have confidence in the leader of a party who would agree to fold his own party into another party, and to deal with the separatists in order to get the power the voters denied him at the ballot box?
  11. misdirected
    The EconomyJack Layton (NDP) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). loaded question.Answer attacks the NDP leader's integrity and past positions rather than addressing the call for bold economic action.Everybody knows that the leader of the NDP is on record that this was his goal all along.
  12. misdirected
    The EconomyJack Layton (NDP) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). loaded question.Answer deflects by questioning the legitimacy of a coalition instead of responding to the economic stimulus and democracy claims.
  13. deflected
    The EconomyMarlene Jennings (Liberal) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). loaded question.Answer shifts to criticizing Liberal economic history instead of addressing the request for a real plan or straight goods on the crisis.It does not begin by driving the Canadian economy into a long-term structural deficit by taking Canada back to the 1970s, by making sure, as Liberals will do, that interest payments for Canadian taxpayers go way up in the air like the bad old days of the 1970s.
  14. misdirected
    The EconomyMarlene Jennings (Liberal) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). loaded question.Answer attacks the Liberals' new NDP allies using quoted insults rather than addressing the deficit or plan concealment claims.Here is what they say about their new friends in the New Democratic Party on their economic policy: "--delusional, clueless, irresponsible policy and it is still characterized in the neanderthal economic thinking of the New Democratic Party".
  15. deflected
    The EconomyScott Brison (Liberal) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). loaded question.Answer pivots to criticizing the opposition's new alliances and structural deficit risks instead of addressing the fire sale or book-cooking accusations.there is something cooking and it is a new-found friendship and some strange bedfellows over here, these clueless people that they are making arrangements with about economic policy.
  16. deflected
    The EconomyScott Brison (Liberal) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). loaded question.Answer again attacks the opposition's economic allies with quotes instead of addressing the deficit concealment or asset sale questions.The vast majority of Canadians want nothing to do with a party of economic Luddites, which is why that party is marginal, why it will remain marginal and why it is not taken seriously by the people of Canada
  17. misdirected
    The EconomyMr. Robert Bouchard (Bloc) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). loaded question.The answer opens by attacking the Bloc and Liberals rather than addressing the call for urgent manufacturing support.The only denial going on, Mr. Speaker, is the new-found friendship between separatists and Liberals in this House.
  18. misdirected
    The EconomyMr. Jean-Yves Roy (Bloc) asked Denis Lebel (Conservative). loaded question.The answer pivots to an attack on the Bloc's supposed impact on cabinet access instead of discussing cuts to regional organizations.I am very proud to come from a region in Quebec, and I understand today that, thanks to the Bloc Québécois, no one from the regions of Quebec will have access to cabinet anymore if what we hear is going to happen actually does come to pass.
  19. partly answered
    Older WorkersMr. Yves Lessard (Bloc) asked Diane Finley (Conservative). loaded question.The answer addresses the older-worker program but ignores the specific request for an income-support bridge to retirement.That is why we introduced the targeted initiative for older workers, in order to help them prepare for another job.
  20. partly answered
    Employment InsuranceMrs. Josée Beaudin (Bloc) asked Diane Finley (Conservative). loaded question.The answer acknowledges suggestions and mentions pilot projects but does not address eliminating the two-week waiting period.That is why we enlarged the employment insurance system through four pilot projects.
  21. deflected
    Automotive IndustryMr. Francis Valeriote (Liberal) asked Tony Clement (Conservative). loaded question.The answer discusses a letter to automakers and the need for a plan but sidesteps the charge of political games and broken promises.Maybe members on the other side like giving away money without any plans, but on this side of the House we believe in a plan, we believe in the taxpayers and we believe in the people of Canada.
  22. deflected
    Automotive IndustryMr. Francis Valeriote (Liberal) asked Tony Clement (Conservative). loaded question.The answer defends past budgets and contrasts with the U.S. but avoids the claim of no meaningful plan or broken election law.We have been there for the auto sector, but we will not give money for nothing.
  23. deflected
    The EconomyMrs. Lise Zarac (Liberal) asked Vic Toews (Conservative). loaded question.The answer discusses collective agreements and pay-equity legislation but does not address attacks on union rights or manufacturing jobs.That is why we are bringing in legislation that ensures there is a timely resolution of those types of disputes.
  24. partly answered
    The EconomyMrs. Lise Zarac (Liberal) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). loaded question.The answer cites GDP growth and prior GST cuts but does not address delays to infrastructure or the $3 billion held back.We perform better because we took steps in advance.
  25. answered
    Pay EquityMr. Thomas Mulcair (NDP) asked Vic Toews (Conservative). substantive question.The answer directly explains the government's approach to resolving pay equity issues via collective bargaining.This shows that what we have been doing in terms of working together with the union in the context of collective bargaining is the appropriate way to resolve pay equity.
  26. answered
    Pay EquityMr. Thomas Mulcair (NDP) asked Vic Toews (Conservative). substantive question.The answer directly rebuts the premise and explains the mechanism for realizing pay equity rights.it is not an issue of contracting away rights. It is in order to ensure there is an appropriate mechanism to recognize rights.
  27. misdirected
    Arts and CultureMrs. Carole Lavallée (Bloc) asked James Moore (Conservative). substantive question.The answer attacks the Bloc Québécois voting record instead of addressing the question on arts funding cuts.Every time we presented a budget here, in the House of Commons, that increased spending on the arts and culture, the Bloc Québécois voted against it.
  28. misdirected
    The EnvironmentMr. Bernard Bigras (Bloc) asked Jim Prentice (Conservative). substantive question.The answer attacks the opposition alliance rather than addressing the Kyoto protocol question.the real question for the House is how this poisonous and temporarily happy alliance will advance Canada's interests at all
  29. deflected
    Forestry IndustryMr. Sukh Dhaliwal (Liberal) asked Lisa Raitt (Conservative). substantive question.The answer restates past actions on the community development trust without addressing broken promises or current trust issues.a year ago the government acted decisively, introducing the community development trust, a $1 billion trust fund that was put in place in recognition of the global economic uncertainty
  30. misdirected
    Forestry IndustryMr. Sukh Dhaliwal (Liberal) asked Lisa Raitt (Conservative). substantive question.The answer pivots to attacking the Liberal-NDP coalition instead of addressing forestry worker support.What is really economically damaging is the coalition between the Liberals and the NDP with the veto held by the Bloc.
  31. answered
    Status of WomenMs. Linda Duncan (NDP) asked Vic Toews (Conservative). loaded question.The answer directly explains the shift to proactive pay equity legislation similar to provincial models.That is why we are bringing in legislation, much like the proactive legislation that was passed by the Liberals in Ontario and the New Democrats in my home province of Manitoba
  32. deflected
    Status of WomenMs. Linda Duncan (NDP) asked Vic Toews (Conservative). loaded question.The answer restates past resolutions and attacks Liberals rather than addressing the rollback of rights.It is very important that those issues are dealt with in an ongoing timely basis, unlike the Liberals, who had to be hauled before the Human Rights Commission on a consistent basis
  33. partly answered
    Equalization PaymentsMr. Bill Casey (Independent) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). substantive question.The answer addresses Nova Scotia but omits Newfoundland and Labrador.Nova Scotia, as I have assured its finance minister, will be kept whole, including the accord.
  34. partly answered
    Foreign AffairsMr. Jean Dorion (Bloc) asked Lawrence Cannon (Conservative). substantive question.Provides details on actions but no specific timeline for the plan.We are considering all of our options, which include chartering planes to help Canadians get from Thailand to Hong Kong.
  35. deflected
    The EconomyMr. John Rafferty (NDP) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). loaded question.The answer focuses on credit extension without addressing the accusations of partisan games.This extension of credit will be in the neighbourhood of $3 billion.
  36. answered
    Points of OrderMr. Michel Guimond (Bloc) asked James Moore (Conservative). substantive question.The minister acknowledges and withdraws the words.But if I did say something that was not within the rules, I apologize and I withdraw those words.