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Friday, November 28, 2008 · sitting No. 9
Commons debates economic statement as opposition attacks party funding cuts
The House spent the largest share of its sitting on the government motion to take note of the Economic and Fiscal Statement tabled November 27. Conservative parliamentary secretary Ted Menzies defended the statement's tax cuts and infrastructure plans while Liberal MP John McCallum and Bloc Québécois MP Luc Malo said the measures offered no stimulus and attacked pay equity and political financing rules.
In Question Period, Liberal MP Ralph Goodale pressed the government on the absence of new spending measures and accused it of preparing a fire sale of assets. Conservative MP Pierre Poilievre replied that opposition parties cared only about protecting their own perquisites.
The statement remains before the House under the take-note motion moved by Conservative MP Gordon O'Connor.
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Who held the floor · 2008-11-28
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Rights of Workers
NDP MP Chris Charlton said the update removed the right to strike and the right for women to achieve equal pay for work of equal value. Conservative minister Vic Toews replied that the changes would let pay equity be settled through collective bargaining on a timely basis.
Read the exchangeEqualization
Bloc Québécois MP Robert Carrier warned that capping equalization payments would harm Quebec's fiscal balance at the worst possible time. Conservative parliamentary secretary Ted Menzies said the cap made transfers sustainable by tying growth to the economy.
Read the exchangeViolence against Women
Conservative MP Lois Brown noted that senior women face higher rates of family-related violence than senior men and that perpetrators are often adult children.
Read the exchangeNorth Bay Jack Garland Airport
Liberal MP Anthony Rota said Transport Canada plans to shorten the main runway at North Bay Jack Garland Airport from 10,000 feet to 6,500 feet even though shortening costs more than resurfacing.
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- deflectedThe EconomyRalph Goodale (Liberal) asked Mr. Ted Menzies (Conservative). loaded question.Answer avoids the accusation of a scam by reclassifying the statement and pointing to future or past actions instead.
The economic statement seems to be misconstrued by the opposition as an actual budget.
- deflectedThe EconomyRalph Goodale (Liberal) asked Mr. Ted Menzies (Conservative). loaded question.Answer sidesteps the no-plan criticism by repeating a past vote reference rather than addressing current stimulus needs.
Mr. Speaker, obviously, the hon. member did not listen to my first answer.
- misdirectedThe EconomyRalph Goodale (Liberal) asked Mr. Ted Menzies (Conservative). loaded question.Answer attacks the questioner’s party record and ignores the specific job-creation query.
The Liberals had a lot of opportunity in 13 years to do that.
- deflectedThe EconomyMr. Pablo Rodriguez (Liberal) asked Mr. Ted Menzies (Conservative). loaded question.Answer corrects a minor misstatement and pivots to past Liberal cuts instead of addressing the current direction critique.
What we will not do is what the Liberal government did during the 1990s.
- misdirectedThe EconomyMr. Pablo Rodriguez (Liberal) asked Mr. Ted Menzies (Conservative). loaded question.Answer attacks an opposition member’s past forecast and avoids acknowledging any mistake or course change.
- partly answeredThe EconomyMr. Gilles Duceppe (Bloc) asked Mr. Ted Menzies (Conservative). substantive question.Answer acknowledges Bloc suggestions and explains the update’s limited scope while deferring action to the next budget.
those suggestions will be viewed in our planning for our budget of 2009.
- deflectedThe EconomyMr. Gilles Duceppe (Bloc) asked Mr. Ted Menzies (Conservative). loaded question.Answer ignores the silencing accusation and shifts to infrastructure spending claims.
I might remind the hon. member that we have actually put in place the biggest infrastructure expenditure that this country has seen since the second world war.
- deflectedThe EconomyMr. Pierre Paquette (Bloc) asked Mr. Ted Menzies (Conservative). loaded question.Answer repeats the past tax-cut talking point and questions opposition votes rather than addressing the smokescreen claim.
I do now know how many times I need to repeat this.
- misdirectedThe EconomyMr. Pierre Paquette (Bloc) asked Mr. Ted Menzies (Conservative). loaded question.The answer pivots to auto-sector consultations instead of addressing tax policy, growth forecasts or the deficit claim.
The industry minister has stood in the House several times this week and has talked about the consultation he is having with his counterparts in the United States and with his provincial counterparts dealing with the auto sector.
- deflectedThe EconomyMr. Thomas Mulcair (NDP) asked Mr. Ted Menzies (Conservative). substantive question.The answer dodges the call for action by lecturing on partisanship and repeating job numbers.
Instead of the petty, partisan politics we see here today, they need to support what we have done.
- misdirectedThe EconomyMr. Thomas Mulcair (NDP) asked Mr. Ted Menzies (Conservative). loaded question.The answer attacks the opposition's motives on party funding rather than addressing the economic-update critique.
My sense is that is what this is all about, the underlying motive here.
- deflectedThe EconomyMr. Thomas Mulcair (NDP) asked Mr. Ted Menzies (Conservative). loaded question.The answer counters with past voting records and accuses the asker of glee over job losses instead of engaging the tax-cut point.
It is very frustrating when we see such glee on his face when he talks about job losses.
- partly answeredThe EconomyMaria Minna (Liberal) asked Vic Toews (Conservative). loaded question.The answer addresses pay-equity timing but ignores the economic-downturn measures requested.
We believe it is not right that women have to wait for pay equity for 10 or 15 years.
- partly answeredThe EconomyMaria Minna (Liberal) asked Vic Toews (Conservative). loaded question.The answer defends public-service statistics and Ontario-style legislation but does not rebut the 70-cent wage-gap claim or economic supports.
women now represent over 55% of knowledged workers in the Public Service and over 40% of executive ranks.
- answeredThe EconomyMr. Marcel Proulx (Liberal) asked Vic Toews (Conservative). substantive question.The answer directly explains the wage-cap rationale tied to the economic context and collective agreements.
This prohibition will only apply the public sector employees who seek an increase in wages beyond what the government can responsibly provide; that is the 2.3%, 1.5%, 1.5% and 1.5%.
- misdirectedThe EconomyMr. Marcel Proulx (Liberal) asked Vic Toews (Conservative). loaded question.The answer attacks the Liberals' 1990s record instead of justifying the current public-service measures.
the irony coming from a member of a party that in the mid-1990s was responsible for laying off public servants and downloading costs on to the provinces
- deflectedEqualizationMr. Robert Carrier (Bloc) asked Mr. Ted Menzies (Conservative). loaded question.Answer shifts to past fiscal imbalance fix instead of addressing the equalization cap or crisis effects.
- partly answeredGovernment ProgramsMr. Jean Dorion (Bloc) asked Mr. Ted Menzies (Conservative). loaded question.Answer addresses securities regulator but ignores pension plan and Quebec jurisdiction claims.
We have laid that out as something in which we would encourage all provinces to join.
- misdirectedEconomic and Fiscal StatementMrs. Claude DeBellefeuille (Bloc) asked Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). loaded question.Answer attacks opposition motives on party funding instead of addressing the democracy or withdrawal request.
while we are taking action and showing true leadership on the economy, the opposition parties are interested only in protecting their own benefits and their own money.
- misdirectedEconomic and Fiscal StatementMrs. Claude DeBellefeuille (Bloc) asked Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). loaded question.Answer pivots to listing government actions and attacks opposition coalition instead of responding to funding cuts or crisis focus.
What is the priority of the members on the opposition side? It is a big coalition founded on their personal, political entitlements.
- deflectedEconomic and Fiscal StatementJohn McCallum (Liberal) asked Mr. Ted Menzies (Conservative). loaded question.Answer notes prior actions and UK tax cut but avoids explaining lack of new stimulus or Coolidge comparison.
In fact, when he is referring to the United Kingdom, it followed our lead in cutting its value-added tax by 1.5%.
- deflectedEconomic and Fiscal StatementJohn McCallum (Liberal) asked Mr. Ted Menzies (Conservative). loaded question.Answer defends past GST cut and attacks opposition vote but does not admit or refute the rubbish claim on stimulus.
It is unbelievable how the hon. member can dismiss the fact that this actually created the stimulus that has put Canada in the enviable position of the strongest growth in the G7.
- misdirectedEconomic and Fiscal StatementScott Brison (Liberal) asked Mr. Ted Menzies (Conservative). loaded question.Answer attacks past Liberal actions on provinces instead of addressing deficit hiding or pre-crisis mismanagement.
when we talk about mismanagement, we are reminded of the days when the Liberals downloaded all the deficit cutting that they were trying to do onto the backs of the provinces and bragged about it
- deflectedEconomic and Fiscal StatementScott Brison (Liberal) asked Mr. Ted Menzies (Conservative). loaded question.Answer discusses expenditure review but ignores asset sales timing, Highway 407 reference, and deficit concealment.
We have put in place an expenditure review process that has actually set out $15 billion of expenditures within government departments that were not necessary.
- misdirectedRights of WorkersMs. Chris Charlton (NDP) asked Mr. Brian Jean (Conservative). loaded question.Answer ignores the question on rights and instead attacks the opposition's motives.
For the opposition, this is about protecting their entitlements, and that is what the questions are all about.
- partly answeredRights of WorkersMs. Chris Charlton (NDP) asked Vic Toews (Conservative). loaded question.Answer addresses pay equity mechanism but ignores strike rights and stimulus questions.
We are putting forward a proposal that would ensure that employers, like the federal government and the unions, are responsible for negotiating pay equity
- deflectedStatus of WomenMs. Johanne Deschamps (Bloc) asked Vic Toews (Conservative). loaded question.Answer defends the pay equity change but avoids explaining the minister's support for it.
pay equity is not under negotiation. It is our intent to ensure that there is a mechanism to determine pay equity on a timely basis.
- misdirectedStatus of WomenMs. Johanne Deschamps (Bloc) asked Vic Toews (Conservative). loaded question.Answer shifts to attacking opposition on entitlements instead of addressing multiple attacks listed.
is it not interesting that when it comes to their entitlements in respect of their political parties, those members want to ensure that their money is there right away.
- deflectedInfrastructureMrs. Bonnie Crombie (Liberal) asked Mr. Brian Jean (Conservative). loaded question.Answer discusses general infrastructure investment but does not address the specific delay in Mississauga or releasing funds.
In a time of global economic uncertainty, we on this side of the House understand that it is vital to invest in infrastructure that will create jobs today, tomorrow and in to the future.
- misdirectedInfrastructureMrs. Bonnie Crombie (Liberal) asked Mr. Brian Jean (Conservative). loaded question.Answer claims money is flowing then pivots to attacking opposition entitlements rather than explaining delays.
this is not about money flowing. This government has made the largest infrastructure investment of all time. What this is about is their entitlements.
- misdirectedForest and Mining IndustriesMr. Nathan Cullen (NDP) asked Mr. David Anderson (Conservative). loaded question.Answer lists past actions but ignores the economic update's failure and pivots to attacking opposition.
Members on the other side are only concerned with protecting their own entitlements. We will get the job done for Canadians.
- misdirectedForest and Mining IndustriesMr. Nathan Cullen (NDP) asked Mr. David Anderson (Conservative). loaded question.Answer defends past deals then attacks opposition on entitlements instead of addressing green economy investment.
All we hear from opposition members today is that they are working to protect their entitlements. They should be ashamed of themselves.
- partly answeredThe EconomyMr. Mario Silva (Liberal) asked Mr. Ed Komarnicki (Conservative). loaded question.The answer addresses funding for housing and unemployment programs but ignores the specific questions on employment insurance and women in poverty.
we have committed $387 million to the homelessness partnership strategy and the assisted housing initiative, which over five years is $1.9 billion.
- deflectedThe EconomyMr. Luc Desnoyers (Bloc) asked Vic Toews (Conservative). loaded question.The answer avoids the accusation of removing strike rights by restating that collective agreements are already in place.
With the collective agreements in place, there is no requirement for a dispute resolution mechanism such as strike or arbitration.
- misdirectedThe EconomyMr. Claude Gravelle (NDP) asked Mr. David Anderson (Conservative). loaded question.The answer shifts to attacking the opposition's entitlements instead of addressing northern Ontario's infrastructure, jobs, or pensions.
The opposition today seems to be focused on protecting their entitlements.