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Friday, November 23, 2007 · sitting No. 23

Commons advances crime bill amid clashes over death penalty and manufacturing aid

The House spent the largest share of its sitting on report stage of Bill C-2, the tackling violent crime act. NDP MP Joe Comartin moved to delete the clause on dangerous offender designations, arguing that systemic discrimination affects aboriginal accused and that courts have long restricted the provision to rare cases. Conservative MP Ken Epp countered that three prior convictions already establish the pattern required for reverse onus.

In Question Period, Liberal MP Irwin Cotler pressed Justice Minister Rob Nicholson on the government's case-by-case approach to death-penalty interventions abroad, warning it undermines the principle that all lives are equally protected. Nicholson replied that multiple murderers tried in rule-of-law democracies can no longer expect automatic Canadian intervention.

Bloc Québécois MPs pressed the government on manufacturing and forestry aid, noting that tax credits offer no relief to unprofitable firms. Industry Minister Jim Flaherty's parliamentary secretary, Lawrence Cannon, said the economic statement already contains targeted tax relief and urged opposition parties to support the measures.

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Who held the floor · 2007-11-23

Government (Conservative)OppositionOver the day: government 36%, opposition 64% of the words spokenGovernment businessQuestion PeriodGovernment business▲ Government side held the floor▼ Opposition held the floorOpened 10:0511:0012:0013:00Last speech 13:30Time of day, Ottawa · the House sat 3 h 25 min · each dot is a stretch of debate, placed at the minute it began
29Another sitting that went nowhereThe House spent most of its time debating the Tackling Violent Crime Act and justice issues yet passed no bills and held no votes. Question period produced mostly deflected answers and eight points of order consumed further time.AI-rated Score out of 100; the verdict and the answer ratings behind it are a model’s reading. How the AI rates this

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Other moments

Public Safety

NDP MP Thomas Mulcair called for an immediate moratorium on tasers after another death in Nova Scotia. Conservative MP Dave MacKenzie said multiple investigations, including one by Mr. Paul Kennedy due December 12, must conclude first.

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Energy Efficiency

Bloc Québécois MP Claude DeBellefeuille accused the government of mismanaging retrofit and ecoAuto programs. Conservative MP David Anderson said current initiatives deliver higher average grants directly to homeowners than previous schemes.

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Montreal Planetarium

Bloc Québécois MP Réal Ménard demanded the immediate release of $9 million from the building Canada fund to honour a prior federal commitment. Minister Lawrence Cannon said all partners are reviewing the project and will deliver on signed undertakings.

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Federal-Provincial Relations

Liberal MP Ken Boshcoff accused the government of shortchanging Ontario in seat redistribution. Minister Peter Van Loan said the bill corrects decades of underrepresentation for Ontario, Alberta and British Columbia.

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Question Period, exchange by exchange

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  1. partly answered
    JusticeIrwin Cotler (Liberal) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). loaded question.The answer restates the policy on multiple murderers but does not address the sanctity of life or equal protection premise.an individual who gets convicted of multiple murders, or a mass murderer, can no longer count on the Canadian government to necessarily intervene where an individual has been tried in a democracy that adheres to the rule of law.
  2. misdirected
    JusticeIrwin Cotler (Liberal) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). loaded question.The answer shifts to attacking the opposition on victims rather than addressing the Supreme Court or Charter points.Was there any discussion about writing a letter to the victims of crime over there?
  3. misdirected
    JusticeIrwin Cotler (Liberal) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). loaded question.The answer attacks the Liberals on victims and guffawing instead of addressing wrongful convictions or capital punishment.I have heard very little of it come from the Liberal Party of Canada.
  4. deflected
    JusticeGeoff Regan (Liberal) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). substantive question.The answer restates Canada's domestic decision without explaining justification in other democracies.a decision has been taken in this country with respect to the death penalty and there are no plans to change the law.
  5. deflected
    JusticeGeoff Regan (Liberal) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). loaded question.The answer avoids the listed democracies and executions by restating Canadian law without engaging the comparison.We will continue to seek assurances in extradition cases.
  6. deflected
    Manufacturing SectorMs. Monique Guay (Bloc) asked Lawrence Cannon (Conservative). loaded question.The answer points to the economic statement and Bloc opposition instead of addressing the timing or auto sector shift.in our economic statement, this government clearly indicated its intention to support and assist not only the manufacturing sector, but also the forestry sector.
  7. deflected
    Manufacturing SectorMs. Monique Guay (Bloc) asked Lawrence Cannon (Conservative). loaded question.The answer blames the Bloc for blocking measures rather than explaining why action must wait for the budget.The Bloc members have opted to leave $12 billion on the table.
  8. partly answered
    Manufacturing SectorMs. Pauline Picard (Bloc) asked Lawrence Cannon (Conservative). substantive question.The answer cites Quebec's plan and prior federal incentives but does not address why manufacturers must wait three months.Which government first gave the provinces tax incentives in the 2007 budget, so that they could do this?
  9. deflected
    Manufacturing SectorMs. Pauline Picard (Bloc) asked Lawrence Cannon (Conservative). loaded question.The minister counters with positive job numbers rather than addressing the demand for action on manufacturing losses.Clearly, instead of saying that Quebec is losing jobs, we should be saying that Quebec has created 69,000 jobs.
  10. deflected
    Public SafetyMr. Thomas Mulcair (NDP) asked Mr. Dave MacKenzie (Conservative). substantive question.The answer points to ongoing reviews and the need to wait instead of committing to a moratorium.I think it is incumbent on us to wait.
  11. deflected
    Public SafetyMr. Thomas Mulcair (NDP) asked Mr. Dave MacKenzie (Conservative). substantive question.Responds by reiterating the wait for report and criticizes the question.The hon. member's comments may not be appropriate given that there are a number of investigations under way.
  12. deflected
    JusticeRobert Thibault (Liberal) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). loaded question.Cites court proceedings to avoid answering about ensuring appearance.inasmuch as this matter is before the court, it would be inappropriate to comment.
  13. deflected
    JusticeRobert Thibault (Liberal) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). loaded question.Advises not to prejudge and to let the process work instead of addressing the power to detain.I do not think the hon. member should prejudge a public inquiry that has not been set up yet.
  14. deflected
    JusticeJudy Sgro (Liberal) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). loaded question.Offers to answer but redirects to letting the inquiry process take its course.I invite the members of the Liberal Party to ask all 20 questions during question period on this.
  15. deflected
    JusticeJudy Sgro (Liberal) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). loaded question.Dismisses the timeline and urges letting the inquiry proceed without addressing the briefing refusal.If we remember what members of the Liberal Party were saying about 10 days ago, they all wanted a public inquiry.
  16. deflected
    Energy EfficiencyMrs. Claude DeBellefeuille (Bloc) asked Mr. David Anderson (Conservative). loaded question.Denies the characterization and emphasizes positive initiatives without addressing specific program issues.the member knows that is not true.
  17. deflected
    Energy EfficiencyMrs. Claude DeBellefeuille (Bloc) asked Mr. David Anderson (Conservative). substantive question.The answer promotes the existing program but never addresses allocation of any portion of the $11.6 billion surplus.Our average grants so far in this program to deal with home energy efficiency have averaged $250 per home, more than the previous program.
  18. partly answered
    Montreal PlanetariumMr. Réal Ménard (Bloc) asked Lawrence Cannon (Conservative). substantive question.The answer acknowledges the review process but gives no commitment or timeline on honouring the letter of intent.As he mentioned, the Government of Canada together with the Government of Quebec, the City of Montreal and private enterprise are reviewing this matter.
  19. misdirected
    Montreal PlanetariumMr. Réal Ménard (Bloc) asked Lawrence Cannon (Conservative). substantive question.The answer ignores the funding request and instead attacks the Bloc and past Quebec premiers.when I hear the sovereignists talk about keeping one's word, I cannot help but think of René Lévesque and Jacques Parizeau, of the Quebec government, who went back on their word to officials.
  20. deflected
    Federal-Provincial RelationsMr. Ken Boshcoff (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.The answer explains the bill's rationale but does not address amending it or consulting Ontario.Unless we change that law, that underrepresentation will get worse over time.
  21. misdirected
    Federal-Provincial RelationsMr. Ken Boshcoff (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.The answer attacks the Ontario premier and the questioner's past record instead of discussing federal-provincial conduct.He, like that small man of Confederation, Dalton McGuinty, says, "Sure I'm getting more, but I want more".
  22. deflected
    Manufacturing IndustryMr. Lloyd St. Amand (Liberal) asked Mr. Colin Carrie (Conservative). substantive question.The answer lists past measures and criticizes the member's vote but offers no new comprehensive plan.We have reacted positively to the 22 recommendations of the INDU report, which was a unanimous report.
  23. deflected
    Manufacturing IndustryMr. Lloyd St. Amand (Liberal) asked Mr. Colin Carrie (Conservative). loaded question.The answer lists existing investments and again notes the member's votes rather than addressing the charge of indifference or disdain.The auto industry has asked for partnership and investments. We have done that.
  24. deflected
    International TradeMr. Peter Julian (NDP) asked Mr. Colin Carrie (Conservative). loaded question.The answer defends the SPP in general terms but does not address the specific claims about resource giveaways or lowered standards.Under the SPP, we are working to ensure Canadian firms continue to have access to U.S. suppliers and American markets.
  25. deflected
    International TradeMr. Peter Julian (NDP) asked Mr. Brian Pallister (Conservative). loaded question.The answer promotes general trade benefits without addressing the request to halt negotiations over human rights abuses.we do not separate trade opportunities from human rights benefits.
  26. deflected
    Economic DevelopmentMr. Francis Scarpaleggia (Liberal) asked Mr. Jacques Gourde (Conservative). substantive question.The answer highlights agency projects and jobs created but ignores the call for the Prime Minister to meet provincial premiers.the Economic Development Agency of Canada is helping with the diversification of the forestry communities
  27. deflected
    Economic DevelopmentMr. Francis Scarpaleggia (Liberal) asked Mr. Jacques Gourde (Conservative). substantive question.The answer shifts to Quebec's announcement instead of addressing the repeated request for a meeting with premiers.today the Government of Quebec announced assistance for the manufacturing and forestry sectors
  28. partly answered
    Royal Canadian Mounted PoliceMr. Sukh Dhaliwal (Liberal) asked Mr. Dave MacKenzie (Conservative). substantive question.The answer notes ongoing RCMP and provincial reviews but sidesteps committing to a broader national review across all bodies.there are a number of ongoing reviews on this matter.
  29. deflected
    Royal Canadian Mounted PoliceMr. Sukh Dhaliwal (Liberal) asked Mr. Dave MacKenzie (Conservative). substantive question.The answer reiterates waiting for an RCMP report and notes provincial probes without addressing a full national review or public release of reports.there are a number of ongoing investigations, including a number of provincial investigations.
  30. partly answered
    Citizenship and ImmigrationMs. Meili Faille (Bloc) asked Diane Finley (Conservative). substantive question.The answer discusses appointments made but deflects by blaming the prior government rather than addressing current vacancies or backlog directly.We have appointed over 70 new members for the IRB.
  31. deflected
    Guaranteed Income SupplementMr. Raymond Gravel (Bloc) asked Mrs. Lynne Yelich (Conservative). loaded question.The answer blames the previous Liberal government and lists general commitments without addressing retroactivity for the guaranteed income supplement.I remind the member that this happened under the Liberal watch and nothing was done about it.
  32. deflected
    Correctional Service CanadaKaren Redman (Liberal) asked Mr. Dave MacKenzie (Conservative). substantive question.The answer offers condolences and notes a new warden appointment but avoids any commitment to a mental health strategy in prisons.I expect it will be addressed in an expedient, efficient and sensitive manner, after which appropriate action will be taken.
  33. answered
    Fisheries and OceansMs. Catherine Bell (NDP) asked Mr. Randy Kamp (Conservative). substantive question.The answer directly addresses the funding request by citing the $175 million initiative for stock assessment and enforcement.If she had been paying attention, she would have heard about our Pacific fisheries renewal initiative where we invested $175 million.
  34. answered
    Fisheries and OceansMs. Catherine Bell (NDP) asked Mr. Randy Kamp (Conservative). substantive question.The answer cites the specific July 16 announcement of the $175 million initiative to address the funding commitment question.I do not know where the member was on July 16 of this year but that is when we announced the Pacific integrated commercial fisheries initiative and the $175 million.
  35. deflected
    Human Resources and Social DevelopmentJoe McGuire (Liberal) asked Mrs. Lynne Yelich (Conservative). substantive question.The answer vaguely references a process without detailing actions to protect seniors or prevent recurrence.There is a process in place and we are doing everything possible to ensure this is taken care of.
  36. deflected
    Foreign Worker ProgramMs. Libby Davies (NDP) asked Diane Finley (Conservative). substantive question.The answer discusses labour shortages and working with industry but avoids committing to halt the program or implement a review.We as a government have been working with industry to expedite accessibility for foreign workers to keep our labour economy moving and to keep our businesses in business.
  37. misdirected
    Aboriginal AffairsAnita Neville (Liberal) asked Mr. Rod Bruinooge (Conservative). loaded question.The answer shifts to attacking the opposition's past voting record instead of addressing the UN declaration question.If it were not for the efforts of all the committee members and, in fact, the Prime Minister himself putting that important measure in the throne speech, the member opposite would probably still be voting against human rights for first nations people.
  38. deflected
    National Capital CommissionMr. Luc Malo (Bloc) asked Lawrence Cannon (Conservative). substantive question.The answer notes the NCC's actions but does not address or commit to a government apology.Beyond that, I think we were able to set the record straight, and at the same time, ensure that on the occasion of the 150th anniversary of the national capital we can celebrate as Canadians the choice of Ottawa as the capital of Canada.
  39. misdirected
    Points of OrderMs. Libby Davies (NDP) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.The answer refuses to withdraw and instead accuses the NDP of objecting to procedural tactics on unrelated issues.I welcome the opportunity to repeat back the member's words the next many times that the NDP objects to our efforts to utilize the Standing Orders and rules to advance our very important priority agendas on matters like justice and cutting taxes for Canadians.