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Thursday, November 22, 2007 · sitting No. 22

Commons debates youth justice reforms as opposition raises safety concerns

The House of Commons spent the largest share of its sitting on debate of Bill C-27 to amend the Youth Criminal Justice Act. Conservative MP Harold Albrecht argued the changes would protect communities from a small number of repeat offenders while maintaining rehabilitation programs. Liberal MP Mario Silva and NDP MP Keith Martin questioned whether the bill would increase incarceration without reducing crime.

In Question Period the main clashes centred on justice and the environment. Liberal Leader Stéphane Dion pressed the government to intervene against the death penalty for a Canadian in Montana, while Justice Minister Rob Nicholson urged support for other crime bills instead. Bloc Québécois Leader Gilles Duceppe and Environment Minister John Baird sparred over the exclusion of opposition members from the Canadian delegation to the Bali climate conference.

Decided that day

  • C-29 introduced and read a second time

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Who held the floor · 2007-11-22

Government (Conservative)OppositionOver the day: government 36%, opposition 64% of the words spokenRoutine proceedingsGovernment businessQuestion PeriodGovernment business▲ Government side held the floor▼ Opposition held the floorOpened 10:0511:0012:0013:0014:0015:0016:00Last speech 17:55Time of day, Ottawa · the House sat 7 h 50 min · each dot is a stretch of debate, placed at the minute it began
47Youth justice talk nudges one bill aheadThe sitting devoted the bulk of its time to debate on the Youth Criminal Justice Act and saw one bill advance while Question Period produced mostly deflected or incomplete replies. Two points of order were raised but no votes were held.AI-rated Score out of 100; the verdict and the answer ratings behind it are a model’s reading. How the AI rates this

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Other moments

Social Housing

NDP Leader Jack Layton said the government was repeating Liberal failures by offering no new funds for co-op or transition housing, while Human Resources Minister Monte Solberg listed existing spending on housing trusts and homelessness programs.

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Foreign Affairs

Liberal MP Bryon Wilfert criticized the government for sending only a junior minister to address the Pakistan crisis, and Parliamentary Secretary Deepak Obhrai replied that the Prime Minister had taken the lead at the Commonwealth meeting.

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Pay Equity

Bloc Québécois MP Carole Lavallée asked why the government had not introduced proactive pay-equity legislation on Pay Equity Day, and Treasury Board President Vic Toews said the public service already follows the Canadian Human Rights Act.

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Manufacturing Industry

NDP MP Irene Mathyssen said many women in manufacturing would not qualify for employment insurance after layoffs, and Finance Minister Jim Flaherty replied that 82 per cent of full-time women workers remain eligible.

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Atlantic Accord

Liberal MP Rodger Cuzner accused the government of gutting the Atlantic Accord, and Defence Minister Peter MacKay said the revised arrangement gave Nova Scotia added flexibility and extra payments.

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Question Period, exchange by exchange

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  1. misdirected
    JusticeStéphane Dion (Liberal) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). substantive question.The answer attacks the questioner's past inaction on unrelated bills rather than addressing the request about Montana.I wish there had been some of that enthusiasm last spring when we had bills that were going to protect law-abiding Canadians.
  2. misdirected
    JusticeStéphane Dion (Liberal) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). substantive question.The answer criticizes the questioner's throne speech draft and seeks support on other legislation instead of responding to the death penalty request.When he was asked by one of the Toronto newspapers to put together a pseudo speech from the throne, there was not one single word that talked about the protection of law-abiding Canadians
  3. misdirected
    JusticeStéphane Dion (Liberal) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). substantive question.The answer again pivots to unrelated gun and predator bills that died in the Senate rather than addressing the Montana intervention request.One of the things that disappointed me the most that did not get done last spring was when there was a bill to better protect 14 and 15 year olds from sexual predators.
  4. partly answered
    JusticeMr. Michael Ignatieff (Liberal) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). loaded question.The answer clarifies no law change and the policy on multiple murderers but does not directly rebut the reputation attack.We have indicated that individuals who commit multiple murders or mass murders abroad in a democratic country that adheres to the rule of law cannot necessarily count on the Canadian government to claim clemency and patriation back to this country.
  5. partly answered
    JusticeMr. Michael Ignatieff (Liberal) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). loaded question.The answer restates the multiple-murderer policy but ignores the UN motion and reputation questions.multiple murderers and mass murderers who are convicted in a democracy that adheres to the rule of law cannot necessarily count on a plea for clemency from the Canadian government and patriation back to this country.
  6. deflected
    The EnvironmentMr. Gilles Duceppe (Bloc) asked John Baird (Conservative). substantive question.The answer notes the Quebec minister's inclusion but avoids explaining the exclusion of opposition members.Canada will be represented by a delegation made up of the Government of Canada, representatives of some groups that can help us and Line Beauchamp, the Minister of the Environment of Quebec.
  7. misdirected
    The EnvironmentMr. Gilles Duceppe (Bloc) asked John Baird (Conservative). loaded question.The answer insults the Bloc's record and praises provincial inclusion instead of addressing the democratic exclusion claim.For 17 years, the Bloc Québécois has never done anything in this House.
  8. deflected
    The EnvironmentMr. Bernard Bigras (Bloc) asked John Baird (Conservative). substantive question.The answer emphasizes non-partisan work and the Quebec minister but sidesteps the anti-democratic accusation.I do not want to have a partisan debate at this international forum.
  9. misdirected
    The EnvironmentMr. Bernard Bigras (Bloc) asked John Baird (Conservative). loaded question.Answer attacks prior Liberal and Bloc records instead of addressing inclusion of opposition in the delegation.The Liberal Party and the Bloc Québécois have never done anything on this.
  10. answered
    Social HousingJack Layton (NDP) asked Monte Solberg (Conservative). substantive question.Answer directly lists multiple funding amounts allocated to housing programs in response to the question on social housing support.the government moved immediately upon coming to office to put $1.4 billion into a housing trust, on top of $1 billion to the affordable housing initiative
  11. deflected
    Social HousingJack Layton (NDP) asked Monte Solberg (Conservative). substantive question.Answer shifts to criticizing NDP fiscal policy and touting economic record rather than addressing lack of new housing funds.if this were an NDP list we would be running a deficit of $10 billion.
  12. misdirected
    The EnvironmentMr. David McGuinty (Liberal) asked John Baird (Conservative). loaded question.Answer mocks the questioner for infrequent questions and implies the query is about a trip rather than delegation exclusions.Why can I not come on that nice trip?
  13. deflected
    The EnvironmentMr. David McGuinty (Liberal) asked John Baird (Conservative). loaded question.Answer pivots to criticizing Liberal abstention on throne speech instead of addressing exclusion of stakeholders or Kyoto plans.the Liberals and that member were nowhere to be seen.
  14. partly answered
    Foreign AffairsBryon Wilfert (Liberal) asked Mr. Deepak Obhrai (Conservative). substantive question.Answer explains the foreign minister's location and notes the Prime Minister's instructions on Pakistan but does not fully justify sending only a junior minister.The Minister of Foreign Affairs is attending the Francophonie because it is very important.
  15. answered
    Foreign AffairsBryon Wilfert (Liberal) asked Mr. Deepak Obhrai (Conservative). substantive question.Answer directly affirms the importance of Pakistan and restates the Prime Minister's call for suspension to address the query on leadership.the Prime Minister has taken the lead on this issue and in Kampala he has issued instructions asking for the suspension of Pakistan
  16. partly answered
    Guaranteed Income SupplementMr. Raymond Gravel (Bloc) asked Monte Solberg (Conservative). substantive question.Answer details some GIS and CPP improvements but does not address the specific request for full retroactive payments.made it possible for people who have filed for the GIS to never have to reapply again
  17. deflected
    Guaranteed Income SupplementMr. Raymond Gravel (Bloc) asked Monte Solberg (Conservative). rhetorical question.The answer ignores the accusation of broken GIS promises and instead lists unrelated seniors programs while attacking the asker.that is completely disingenuous.
  18. partly answered
    Pay EquityMrs. Carole Lavallée (Bloc) asked Vic Toews (Conservative). substantive question.The answer affirms commitment to equal pay for work of equal value but does not address the request for a timeline on proactive legislation.Treasury Board, as the employer of the core public administration, is committed to the principle of equal pay for work of equal value in accordance with the Canadian Human Rights Act, and we will proceed in that direction.
  19. deflected
    Employment InsuranceMs. Nicole Demers (Bloc) asked Monte Solberg (Conservative). substantive question.The answer disputes the cited study statistics and pivots to general employment numbers instead of addressing the 360-hour EI qualification proposal.The fact is that 82% of women in the workforce today working full time can claim EI benefits, 97% can claim special benefits and 65% who are working part time can claim benefits, a far bigger number than for men.
  20. deflected
    Official LanguagesMauril Bélanger (Liberal) asked Josée Verner (Conservative). substantive question.The answer restates general linguistic-duality commitments and attacks the asker for inaction rather than addressing restoration of the court challenges program.For his part, my colleague has chosen to do nothing on this issue.
  21. deflected
    Official LanguagesMauril Bélanger (Liberal) asked Josée Verner (Conservative). substantive question.The answer repeats funding announcements and cites ongoing litigation to avoid discussing the Commissioner's advice on the court challenges program.As the member knows full well, the matter is before the courts.
  22. misdirected
    AfghanistanDenis Coderre (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.The answer attacks the questioner for lacking evidence and uses insults instead of addressing the Geneva Convention transfer allegations or providing numbers on juvenile detainees.Rather than producing hogwash and hornswoggle, maybe he can bring some cold, hard facts instead of this torqued rhetoric.
  23. misdirected
    AfghanistanDenis Coderre (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.The answer accuses the member of baseless allegations and demands an apology while shifting focus to the prior Liberal agreement rather than explaining post-transfer conditions.
  24. deflected
    Manufacturing IndustryMrs. Irene Mathyssen (NDP) asked Monte Solberg (Conservative). substantive question.The answer corrects EI eligibility statistics and highlights overall employment levels instead of addressing the manufacturing job losses or EI qualification barriers for women.The member is simply wrong, but she should rejoice in the very good news that Canadians today are working at a level that they have never worked at in the history of this country.
  25. deflected
    Manufacturing IndustryMrs. Irene Mathyssen (NDP) asked Monte Solberg (Conservative). substantive question.The answer supplies eligibility statistics but pivots to job creation and training without addressing EI reforms.Eighty-two per cent of women who are working full time today are eligible for benefits.
  26. misdirected
    Federal-Provincial RelationsMs. Bonnie Brown (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.The answer attacks the previous Liberal government and the member instead of explaining the bill's treatment of Ontario.I do not recall her ever saying one word before today on the issue.
  27. misdirected
    Federal-Provincial RelationsMs. Bonnie Brown (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.The answer insults the premier and opposition rather than defending the bill's fairness provisions.The small act of a small-minded person, the small man of Confederation, is to say "when I'm getting more seats for my province
  28. partly answered
    Atlantic AccordMr. Rodger Cuzner (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.The answer claims improvements to the accord but does not address scrapping the side deal.we have actually improved upon the Atlantic accord.
  29. answered
    Atlantic AccordMr. Rodger Cuzner (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.The answer directly explains the flexibility and financial benefits of the new arrangement.This Atlantic accord allows Nova Scotia flexibility.
  30. deflected
    Canada Revenue AgencyMr. Yvon Lévesque (Bloc) asked Gordon O'Connor (Conservative). substantive question.The answer cites privacy rules and refuses to discuss the specific assessment method.I cannot talk about a particular tax case in the House because of the Income Tax Act.
  31. deflected
    Manufacturing and Forestry IndustriesMr. Jean-Yves Laforest (Bloc) asked Jim Prentice (Conservative). substantive question.The answer defends the government's general approach but does not commit to the Bloc's specific proposals.Our role is to create an economic climate that supports business development.
  32. deflected
    AirbusAnita Neville (Liberal) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). loaded question.The answer points to the Johnston inquiry instead of producing the requested documentation.The Prime Minister took the reasonable step of appointing a distinguished Canadian in the person of Dr. Johnston
  33. deflected
    Foreign AffairsMr. Paul Dewar (NDP) asked Mr. Deepak Obhrai (Conservative). loaded question.The answer sidesteps the specific accusations by shifting to general promotion of Canadian business and CSR.We are very proud of Canadian businesses that comply with the regulations that are in Canada.
  34. deflected
    Foreign AffairsMr. Paul Dewar (NDP) asked Mr. Deepak Obhrai (Conservative). loaded question.The answer avoids the controversy details by restating general expectations for companies.We expect all Canadian businesses to follow Canadian practices, Canadian laws and Canadian regulations.
  35. deflected
    AirbusRobert Thibault (Liberal) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). substantive question.The answer refuses to address the request by citing court proceedings.inasmuch as the individual in question has a matter before the court, it would be inappropriate to comment.
  36. misdirected
    Manufacturing and Forestry IndustriesJohn McCallum (Liberal) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). loaded question.The answer turns to attacking the questioner's past statements instead of addressing the plan request.Here is what he said before: "The main problem is a very weak U.S. dollar and there is not much we in Canada can do about that.
  37. answered
    Foreign AffairsMs. Caroline St-Hilaire (Bloc) asked Mr. Deepak Obhrai (Conservative). substantive question.The answer directly states Canada's action on the issue raised.we have expressed concern on this issue.
  38. partly answered
    Business of the HouseRalph Goodale (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.The answer explains the notice change but only details this week's agenda without full two-week forecast.This week, the government has continued its efforts to tackle crime and strengthen the security of Canadians.