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Wednesday, November 21, 2007 · sitting No. 21
Commons debates youth justice reforms as premiers clash with Ottawa
The House spent its longest portion of the day on second reading of Bill C-25 to amend the Youth Criminal Justice Act. Justice Minister Rob Nicholson told members the changes would let judges weigh deterrence and denunciation when sentencing young offenders. Opposition MPs raised concerns about the bill's impact during extended debate.
Question period featured repeated exchanges over federal-provincial relations. Liberal Leader Stéphane Dion pressed House Leader Peter Van Loan to apologize for remarks about Premier Dalton McGuinty. Van Loan replied that McGuinty had complained about legislation that would give Ontario additional seats.
Decided that day
- Bill C-303 passed
- Amendment to Bill C-284 failed
- Bill passed third reading
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Who held the floor · 2007-11-21
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Guaranteed Income Supplement
Bloc Québécois Leader Gilles Duceppe accused the government of breaking a promise on full retroactivity for guaranteed income supplement payments. Human Resources Minister Monte Solberg said the Conservatives had enhanced benefits and conducted outreach to seniors.
Read the exchangeThe Environment
NDP Leader Jack Layton asked why the government was not treating climate change as a crisis after reports that the Îles-de-la-Madeleine could be split in two. Environment Minister John Baird said the government had introduced absolute greenhouse gas reductions for the first time.
Read the exchangeAtlantic Accord
Liberal MP Geoff Regan said the government had insulted Nova Scotians by cancelling a briefing on changes to the Atlantic accord for the fourth time. Finance Minister Jim Flaherty said the bill would be tabled that afternoon and a briefing would follow.
Read the exchangeAfghanistan
Liberal MP Denis Coderre said Canada was violating the Convention on the Rights of the Child by transferring minors to Afghan prisons. Defence Minister Peter MacKay said Canadian Forces kept minors separate from adult detainees in line with international standards.
Read the exchangeRoyal Canadian Mounted Police
NDP MP Penny Priddy called for a moratorium on RCMP taser use until national standards are set. Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day said he had ordered a review by the Commission for Public Complaints Against the RCMP due by December 12.
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- deflectedFederal-Provincial RelationsStéphane Dion (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.The answer defends the bill and insults the premier rather than addressing the request for an apology.
He would get more seats for his province and he complains.
- deflectedFederal-Provincial RelationsStéphane Dion (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). rhetorical question.The answer shifts to past Liberal record and avoids the first ministers meeting request.
What is interesting about that former cabinet minister is that he is now standing up for a premier who is complaining about a lack of representation for Ontario.
- deflectedFederal-Provincial RelationsStéphane Dion (Liberal) asked Stockwell Day (Conservative). rhetorical question.The answer explains federal actions taken but ignores the leadership vacuum claim and attacks the opposition.
The Liberals asked for nothing when this first happened.
- deflectedFederal-Provincial RelationsMr. Michael Ignatieff (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.The answer attacks Liberal policy on seats instead of addressing the demand for an apology.
It is not surprising since the deputy leader of the Liberal Party is from Ontario where Dalton McGuinty introduced a bill, bill 214, that wiped out the principle of representation by population in Ontario
- partly answeredFederal-Provincial RelationsMr. Michael Ignatieff (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.The answer claims the government already introduced a fair measure for Ontario while attacking the opposition.
we brought in a measure that brings in fairness, fairness for Ontario, for B.C. and for Alberta.
- deflectedGuaranteed Income SupplementMr. Gilles Duceppe (Bloc) asked Monte Solberg (Conservative). rhetorical question.The answer lists general senior supports but avoids the retroactivity promise question.
Today, we continue to do outreach to ensure people are aware of the benefits they can receive.
- deflectedGuaranteed Income SupplementMr. Gilles Duceppe (Bloc) asked Monte Solberg (Conservative). rhetorical question.The answer highlights government actions and attacks the Bloc instead of addressing the double standard on retroactivity.
- deflectedGuaranteed Income SupplementMr. Raymond Gravel (Bloc) asked Monte Solberg (Conservative). rhetorical question.The answer emphasizes other senior benefits but sidesteps the full retroactivity demand.
We are helping seniors every day in tangible ways, while all we ever hear from the Bloc members is talk and, frankly, that is all it can do.
- misdirectedGuaranteed Income SupplementMr. Raymond Gravel (Bloc) asked Monte Solberg (Conservative). loaded question.Answer attacks the Bloc instead of addressing indexation request.
The real question is this. Why does the Bloc oppose these things at every step?
- deflectedThe EnvironmentJack Layton (NDP) asked John Baird (Conservative). loaded question.Answer restates government actions without addressing the specific question on seriousness.
the government is taking action. It has regulated large companies.
- misdirectedThe EnvironmentJack Layton (NDP) asked John Baird (Conservative). loaded question.Answer attacks the NDP-Liberal deal instead of addressing climate action.
The leader of the NDP made a deal with the Liberals for $4.5 billion.
- answeredAtlantic AccordGeoff Regan (Liberal) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). substantive question.Answer directly explains the briefing timeline and bill tabling.
The bill will be tabled this afternoon. We look forward to having a briefing tomorrow.
- misdirectedAtlantic AccordGeoff Regan (Liberal) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). loaded question.Answer quotes the premier to attack the member rather than confirming details.
If Nova Scotia MPs...are not standing up and supporting this, that says to me, No. 1, that they're not in favour of us receiving the full benefits of the...(accord).
- answeredIntergovernmental AffairsLucienne Robillard (Liberal) asked Rona Ambrose (Conservative). substantive question.Answer explains scheduling issues and planned meeting.
The Prime Minister tried to convene a first ministers meeting as early as last June.
- deflectedIntergovernmental AffairsLucienne Robillard (Liberal) asked Rona Ambrose (Conservative). loaded question.Answer restates general relationship without addressing refusal of meeting.
The Prime Minister has a very professional relationship with the premiers and has an open door to them.
- answeredForeign AffairsMs. Caroline St-Hilaire (Bloc) asked Mr. Deepak Obhrai (Conservative). substantive question.Answer confirms ongoing work to repatriate the child.
I assure the member that the department is working hard toward facilitating the child's return to Canada as early as possible.
- partly answeredForeign AffairsMs. Caroline St-Hilaire (Bloc) asked Mr. Deepak Obhrai (Conservative). substantive question.Addresses repatriation efforts but provides no timeline and shifts to investigation.
the department is working very hard toward quickly facilitating the child's return to Canada as early as possible.
- deflectedPublic SafetyMr. Serge Ménard (Bloc) asked Stockwell Day (Conservative). substantive question.Corrects premise on taser use but avoids addressing moratorium request.
with all due respect, I think my colleague is mistaken.
- misdirectedJusticeMrs. Vivian Barbot (Bloc) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). substantive question.Restates opposition to capital punishment but pivots to warning about murderers abroad.
if any Canadians go abroad to a democratic country where there is the rule of law, they cannot be guaranteed that Canada will intervene if they become multiple or mass murderers.
- deflectedJusticeMrs. Susan Kadis (Liberal) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). substantive question.States current law but does not address personal belief on death penalty.
it is very clear what the law is in Canada and there are certainly no plans to change that law.
- misdirectedJusticeMrs. Susan Kadis (Liberal) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). loaded question.Attacks Liberals' record instead of addressing policy change on clemency.
I am happy to hear that the Liberals now want us to stand up on behalf of human rights in China.
- deflectedJusticeMarlene Jennings (Liberal) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). loaded question.Reaffirms no law change and individual case review but sidesteps endorsement of death penalty.
we will look at each of these cases on an individual basis and will take the best decisions in the interests of Canada.
- deflectedJusticeMarlene Jennings (Liberal) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). loaded question.Praises human rights record without answering yes/no on death penalty acceptability.
this country and this government, in particular, has had an outstanding record with respect to human rights at home and abroad.
- partly answeredRoyal Canadian Mounted PoliceMs. Penny Priddy (NDP) asked Stockwell Day (Conservative). substantive question.Confirms reviews requested but does not commit to suspending taser use.
I have asked for a full review from the RCMP related to taser use, compliance and also implementation.
- deflectedRoyal Canadian Mounted PoliceMs. Penny Priddy (NDP) asked Stockwell Day (Conservative). substantive question.He welcomes reviews generally but avoids the question of supporting a parliamentary investigation by claiming committees set their own agendas.
I am a bit surprised that my hon. colleague would ask me if I am in favour of what a parliamentary committee might be doing.
- partly answeredAfghanistanDenis Coderre (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.The answer addresses handling of minors but ignores the premise of violating conventions and the number transferred.
Any minor held by the Canadian Forces is kept separate from adult detainees.
- misdirectedAfghanistanDenis Coderre (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.The response attacks the questioner and his party instead of addressing responsibility for detainee transfers.
These scurrilous allegations that somehow Canadian soldiers are complicit in war crimes is beyond contempt.
- deflectedAfghanistanMs. Tina Keeper (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.The answer pivots to attacking critics and claiming compliance without addressing the call for uncensored reports.
What is beyond understanding is why members opposite continually make up allegations without any evidence
- misdirectedAfghanistanMs. Tina Keeper (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.The reply blames the previous government and shifts focus rather than addressing the Prime Minister's handling of evidence.
We have improved upon the failings of the Liberal Party in many ways, including now finally giving the equipment and the moral support of our government.
- deflectedThe EnvironmentMr. Bernard Bigras (Bloc) asked John Baird (Conservative). substantive question.The answer discusses general climate efforts but avoids committing to placing climate change on the Francophonie summit agenda.
We will have an initial opportunity to do that during the UN meeting in Indonesia
- deflectedThe EnvironmentMr. Raynald Blais (Bloc) asked John Baird (Conservative). substantive question.The response claims action elsewhere but does not justify or address leaving the topic off the summit agenda.
The best way to make that happen this year is not to wait six months to hold a meeting about it.
- answeredAirbusRobert Thibault (Liberal) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). substantive question.The minister directly states he does not interfere with committees and finds it inappropriate to comment on the extradition matter.
I certainly do not interfere with the business of a committee of the House of Commons, and inasmuch as I am seized of the extradition matter, it would be inappropriate to comment.
- answeredHealthMs. Judy Wasylycia-Leis (NDP) asked Tony Clement (Conservative). substantive question.The minister directly affirms he will take the requested actions on imports and violations.
- deflectedHealthMs. Judy Wasylycia-Leis (NDP) asked Tony Clement (Conservative). substantive question.The answer pivots to a prior speech rather than addressing the new demands on testing, recalls, and controls.
what the hon. member might have been waving around was a copy of a speech that I in fact delivered just 10 days ago, saying exactly what she is demanding.
- deflectedDepartment of JusticeRobert Thibault (Liberal) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). substantive question.The response discusses the public inquiry but does not address the specific request to relaunch the investigation or recover funds.
the government has agreed to a full public inquiry.
- misdirectedForeign AffairsJudy Sgro (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). rhetorical question.The question is a sarcastic reminder rather than a query, and the answer responds by attacking the opposition instead of engaging.
there were times when he has not had to answer a question for 30 days, since opposition members abandoned that issue long ago when they abandoned so many other issues in favour of just sitting down every day.