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Friday, October 19, 2007 · sitting No. 4
Commons resumes debate on throne speech amid Conservative-Liberal clashes
The House devoted the largest share of its sitting to resumption of debate on the address in reply to the Speech from the Throne. Conservative MP Maxime Bernier told the House that the speech set out priorities for increasing prosperity, enhancing safety and promoting Canadian values in the Americas. Bloc Québécois MP Thierry St-Cyr said the speech misrepresented the government's approach to federal spending power.
Question period featured repeated exchanges on an Elections Canada investigation into Conservative election spending. Liberal MP Dominic LeBlanc asked whether Prime Minister Stephen Harper knew of the scheme, and Conservative MP Peter Van Loan replied that all party financing activities had been legal.
Further questions addressed the fiscal imbalance, with Bloc Québécois MP Pierre Paquette pressing the government to eliminate federal spending power in Quebec's areas of jurisdiction and Conservative MP Lawrence Cannon saying the 2006 and 2007 budgets had addressed the imbalance.
Decided that day
- Bill C-463 was introduced
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Youth Justice
Liberal MP Michael Savage said parents in his riding had called for changes to the Youth Criminal Justice Act and that he supported the recommendations of Justice Merlin Nunn.
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Conservative MP Maxime Bernier reported that 73 per cent of Afghans surveyed believed women were better off than five years earlier and that 60 per cent viewed the foreign presence positively.
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Bloc Québécois MP Guy André said more than 200 jobs had been lost in Saint-Michel-des-Saints and another 200 in Haute-Mauricie, and asked why the throne speech contained no concrete measures for the sector.
Read the exchangeMetallurgy Industry
Bloc Québécois MP Claude DeBellefeuille said Industry Minister Jean-Pierre Blackburn had failed to use powers under the Investment Canada Act to secure job and processing guarantees from Rio Tinto.
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Bloc Québécois MP Raynald Blais asked whether the government would support Bill C-357 to create an independent employment-insurance fund.
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- deflectedElections CanadaDominic LeBlanc (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.Answer challenges the question's order and relevance instead of addressing the alleged scandal.
it is beyond me what this has to do with the administration of government or government business.
- deflectedElections CanadaDominic LeBlanc (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.Answer questions the question's validity and mocks the asker rather than responding to the claim.
I will restate my concern about whether this is in order.
- misdirectedElections CanadaDominic LeBlanc (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.Answer turns to warning the asker about making accusations outside the House.
If the member is prepared to make those same allegations outside the House where he invites the consequences that come with making such an accusation, I would invite him to do so.
- deflectedElections CanadaMarlene Jennings (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.Answer repeats a general claim of legality without addressing what the minister knew.
Everything that we have done in our campaign finance activities has been entirely legal.
- deflectedElections CanadaMarlene Jennings (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.Answer shifts to comparing the government's record with the previous Liberal government.
It is very different than the other party.
- partly answeredTaxationMr. Pierre Paquette (Bloc) asked Lawrence Cannon (Conservative). substantive question.Answer addresses the promise by referencing budgets that considered the Séguin report.
in the 2006 and 2007 budget speeches, the government took into account not only the recommendations made in the Séguin report, but also a broad consensus among the provincial premiers.
- deflectedTaxationMr. Pierre Paquette (Bloc) asked Lawrence Cannon (Conservative). loaded question.Answer notes Bloc support and election results instead of addressing the broken promise claim.
the fact remains that the Bloc Québécois supported it.
- partly answeredTaxationMs. Monique Guay (Bloc) asked Lawrence Cannon (Conservative). loaded question.Answer cites examples of open federalism but does not directly confirm unrestricted spending power limits.
We have proven this with such gestures as recognition of Quebec's role in UNESCO, among others.
- answeredTaxationMs. Monique Guay (Bloc) asked Lawrence Cannon (Conservative). substantive question.The answer directly states the government's stance on federal spending power in response to the question.
We will not eliminate the federal spending power; we will limit it, as we said in the consideration of the throne speech.
- partly answeredBill C-62Ms. Libby Davies (NDP) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.The answer references ongoing discussions about reinstatement but does not commit to action.
As she well knows, we are in discussions about whether they are willing to deal with reinstatement of those bills.
- answeredBill C-62Ms. Libby Davies (NDP) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.The answer explains the condition required for reinstating the bill.
We want to get permission to reinstate all the bills that we had in the last session.
- answeredGovernment AppointmentsMr. Omar Alghabra (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.The answer identifies the minister in question as requested.
After the municipal election was over, Terry Kilrea phoned the Minister of the Environment and asked how his appointment was going.
- deflectedGovernment AppointmentsMr. Omar Alghabra (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.The answer avoids the question about calling police and instead attacks Liberal practices.
I know members of the Liberal Party are used to ducking, covering and running when people complain that patronage appointments are not made because that is their base
- deflectedGovernment AppointmentsGeoff Regan (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.The answer restates no appointment occurred and shifts to criticizing Liberals instead of confirming facts.
If the Liberal Party were still in government I suspect perhaps that appointment might have been made because he would have been in a position to deliver.
- answeredGovernment AppointmentsGeoff Regan (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.The answer directly denies misleading the police before adding unrelated attacks.
he certainly did not mislead the police.
- answeredForest IndustryMr. Guy André (Bloc) asked Monte Solberg (Conservative). substantive question.The answer addresses the forestry crisis by describing an existing government program.
We are concerned about this, which is why we put in place the targeted initiative for older workers which is working in nine different places in Quebec.
- partly answeredForest IndustryMr. Guy André (Bloc) asked Monte Solberg (Conservative). loaded question.Lists general programs but does not address forestry specifically.
We are doing a tremendous amount to help workers across this country who are devastated by layoffs in some of these hard hit sectors.
- answeredMetallurgy IndustryMrs. Claude DeBellefeuille (Bloc) asked Jean-Pierre Blackburn (Conservative). loaded question.Directly explains approvals and lists investment commitments.
The Minister of Industry also approved Rio Tinto's acquisition of Alcan because it will benefit Canada.
- deflectedMetallurgy IndustryMrs. Claude DeBellefeuille (Bloc) asked Jean-Pierre Blackburn (Conservative). loaded question.Defends the deal without addressing accusations of negligence or powerlessness.
I do not understand why the member does not support a $2 billion investment in Quebec.
- deflectedPrivacyGarth Turner (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.States it is not government business rather than addressing the request.
I fail to see what a political party database has to do with government business.
- deflectedPrivacyGarth Turner (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.Repeats that it is a party database with no government connection.
it is a political party database. How political parties run their campaigns in terms of databases has nothing to do with the administration of government
- misdirectedPrivacyMr. Paul Szabo (Liberal) asked Jason Kenney (Conservative). loaded question.Attacks Liberals for similar practices instead of responding to the question.
The Liberals, who have made an art out of communicating with different communities based on publicly available lists, are now shocked that someone else should do the same thing.
- misdirectedPrivacyMr. Paul Szabo (Liberal) asked Jason Kenney (Conservative). loaded question.Accuses hypocrisy and cites other MPs rather than addressing the practice.
only a Liberal could think it is unethical to wish somebody a happy New Year.
- partly answeredCitizenship and ImmigrationMs. Olivia Chow (NDP) asked Mr. Ed Komarnicki (Conservative). substantive question.Lists funding measures but deflects blame to the previous government.
Obviously some of the situations arose under the previous government if we were to look at it very closely.
- deflectedCitizenship and ImmigrationMs. Olivia Chow (NDP) asked Mr. Ed Komarnicki (Conservative). rhetorical question.The answer refuses to address the specific case or the rhetorical question about uniting families.
obviously we will not get into the specifics of any particular case
- deflectedGovernment AppointmentsSue Barnes (Liberal) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). loaded question.The answer defends the appointee on merit but does not address the question about court packing or the premise.
all on the basis of merit and legal excellence
- misdirectedGovernment AppointmentsSue Barnes (Liberal) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). loaded question.The answer attacks the questioners for slagging appointees instead of addressing the ideological patronage claim.
the members of the Liberal Party can in this place, but I would disagree with them doing it, slag and slur the members
- partly answeredAboriginal AffairsMr. Roger Valley (Liberal) asked Mr. Steven Fletcher (Conservative). substantive question.The answer addresses health care improvements but pivots to blame the prior government rather than confirming a meeting.
the government actually has taken great measures to improve the health care of first nations communities
- deflectedAboriginal AffairsMr. Roger Valley (Liberal) asked Mr. Steven Fletcher (Conservative). loaded question.The answer lists new spending but avoids addressing the scrapped Kelowna accord or broken commitment directly.
we have increased transfers by over $200 million to aboriginals in this country
- partly answeredEmployment InsuranceMr. Raynald Blais (Bloc) asked Monte Solberg (Conservative). substantive question.The answer confirms intent to improve governance but does not assure support for an independent fund.
I can confirm that we will improve the management and governance of the EI account
- deflectedEmployment InsuranceMr. Raynald Blais (Bloc) asked Monte Solberg (Conservative). substantive question.The answer discusses sustainability and rejects other bills but sidesteps commitment to Bill C-357 or independence principles.
members of the Bloc Québécois have brought forward a number of private members' bills which, if they were all implemented, would make the employment insurance account not viable
- misdirectedEqualization PaymentsMr. Rodger Cuzner (Liberal) asked Mr. Gerald Keddy (Conservative). loaded question.The answer accuses the asker of spreading falsehoods instead of providing details on the Atlantic accord documentation.
The hon. member would be aware that this is a falsehood that he is attempting to spread
- deflectedConservative Party of CanadaMr. Charlie Angus (NDP) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.Answer ignores the core accusation of partisan website misuse and pivots to listing environmental policies instead.
They are looking at that and they are saying, "Finally, a government that is taking action for the environment".
- deflectedConservative Party of CanadaMr. Charlie Angus (NDP) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.Answer redefines accountability as communication rather than addressing misuse of public funds or programs.
the accountability is that we are telling Canadians what the government is going to do.
- partly answeredEqualization PaymentsMr. Scott Simms (Liberal) asked Mr. Gerald Keddy (Conservative). loaded question.Answer explains benefits of the deal but sidesteps the timing accusation and prior opposition to side deals.
the issue is that under the new equalization agreement Newfoundland will be the chief beneficiary of 50% of its offshore revenues.
- partly answeredSecuritiesMr. Thierry St-Cyr (Bloc) asked Mr. Ted Menzies (Conservative). substantive question.Answer justifies a national regulator and notes consultation but does not address Quebec's jurisdictional claim or harassment charge.
We realize that the provinces need to be consulted on this, which is why the finance minister will establish a panel to look it over.
- answeredPublic ServiceMr. Paul Dewar (NDP) asked Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). substantive question.Answer directly corrects the premise on holidays and cites collective agreements as the barrier.
Collective agreements, over which we do not have unilateral control, indicate which employees are covered by which holidays.
- deflectedForestry IndustryMr. Marcel Proulx (Liberal) asked Mr. David Anderson (Conservative). loaded question.Answer lists government actions but avoids the accusation of favoring U.S. interests via the softwood deal.
We have resolved the softwood lumber dispute, which the previous government was unable to resolve.