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Thursday, October 18, 2007 · sitting No. 3

Commons resumes throne speech debate as opposition presses Conservatives

The House of Commons devoted the largest share of its sitting to the resumption of debate on the address in reply to the Speech from the Throne. Conservative MP Monte Solberg opened the discussion by outlining elements of the speech related to crime and law and order while speaking as minister of human resources and social development. Liberal MP Geoff Regan questioned the minister about cuts to literacy funding and the absence of measures to address skills shortages.

In question period Liberal leader Stéphane Dion pressed the government on what Prime Minister Stephen Harper knew about alleged violations of the Canada Elections Act by Conservative Party executives. Government House leader Peter Van Loan replied that the party's election financing activities were entirely legal and similar to those of other parties. Bloc Québécois leader Gilles Duceppe challenged the prime minister on the use of federal spending power in Quebec jurisdictions and on the wording of compensation for opting out of new programs.

Decided that day

  • Bill C-2 introduced
  • Amendment defeated

From the Hansard record of the sitting. Full Hansard

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Who held the floor · 2007-10-18

Government (Conservative)OppositionOver the day: government 41%, opposition 59% of the words spokenSpeech from the ThroneQuestion PeriodSpeech from the Throne▲ Government side held the floor▼ Opposition held the floorOpened 10:0511:0012:0013:0014:0015:0016:0017:00Last speech 18:00Time of day, Ottawa · the House sat 7 h 55 min · each dot is a stretch of debate, placed at the minute it began
35Throne debate drags while questions go unansweredMost of the sitting was consumed by resuming debate on the Address in Reply, with only a quarter of words spent on substantive business and frequent points of order. Just one bill was introduced and one amendment failed amid largely deflected Question Period exchanges.AI-rated Score out of 100; the verdict and the answer ratings behind it are a model’s reading. How the AI rates this

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Other moments

Senate of Canada

NDP leader Jack Layton asked why Canadians should believe the prime minister's latest comments on Senate abolition given his earlier appointment of Michael Fortier to the upper chamber. Prime Minister Stephen Harper replied that the party's preference remained a reformed and elected Senate but that abolition was the alternative if reform proved impossible.

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Forest Industry

Bloc Québécois MP Jean-Yves Roy asked when the government would act on job losses in the forest industry and implement tax measures proposed by his party. Transport minister Lawrence Cannon said the throne speech outlined steps for the forestry sector and noted that the Bloc opposed the speech.

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Older Workers

Bloc Québécois MP Yves Lessard called for an income support program for older workers affected by forest industry layoffs and asked the government to grant a royal recommendation to Bill C-269. Human resources minister Monte Solberg said the targeted initiative for older workers was already in place in Quebec with the support of the Bloc.

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Royal Canadian Mounted Police

Liberal MP Hedy Fry asked the government to ensure the RCMP follows clear procedures for restraint after two recent deaths involving tasers. Public Safety minister Stockwell Day said the RCMP was conducting a review of taser use and that training remained intensive.

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The Arctic

Conservative MP Chris Warkentin asked Foreign Affairs minister Maxime Bernier what action the government was taking to protect sovereignty in the north. Bernier said the government would complete a comprehensive mapping of Canada's Arctic seabed and expand Arctic Rangers.

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Question Period, exchange by exchange

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  1. deflected
    Elections CanadaStéphane Dion (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.The answer restates legality without addressing the knowledge question.our election financing activities are entirely legal. They are what the law permits and they are similar to the practices of other political parties.
  2. deflected
    Elections CanadaStéphane Dion (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.Reiterates legality instead of answering about the Prime Minister's knowledge.Our election financing activities are entirely legal. They follow the law. They are similar to those of the other political parties.
  3. misdirected
    Elections CanadaStéphane Dion (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.The response ignores the question and mocks the Liberal Party instead.It explains why when he became the leader of the Liberal Party, headquarters replaced the sign that said "smile" with the new sign that said "smile anyway".
  4. deflected
    Elections CanadaMr. Michael Ignatieff (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.The answer addresses the election date but avoids the ethics allegations.This party does not want to go into an early election. We wish to govern.
  5. deflected
    Elections CanadaMr. Michael Ignatieff (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.Restates legality without addressing the motive for election.all our activities are entirely legal. I have said that repeatedly.
  6. answered
    Speech from the ThroneMr. Gilles Duceppe (Bloc) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). substantive question.The answer explains the federal jurisdiction over the commission.the activities of the Mental Health Commission fall under federal jurisdiction.
  7. misdirected
    Speech from the ThroneMr. Gilles Duceppe (Bloc) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). substantive question.The response praises the government and criticizes the Bloc's ideology rather than clarifying the details.The Bloc Québécois is simply unable to recognize this, because of its separatist ideology.
  8. deflected
    Speech from the ThroneMrs. Vivian Barbot (Bloc) asked Lawrence Cannon (Conservative). substantive question.The answer defers the question to a future bill without providing explanation.I would ask our Bloc Québécois friends to be patient. This government will table a bill and, at that time, they will learn the details.
  9. deflected
    Speech from the ThroneMrs. Vivian Barbot (Bloc) asked Lawrence Cannon (Conservative). substantive question.The answer avoids the specific question on the plan and broken promise by referencing past votes and general assurances.once again, Quebeckers know very well that when this government gives its word and promises to do something, it will happen.
  10. misdirected
    Senate of CanadaJack Layton (NDP) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). substantive question.The answer turns to attacking the NDP's contradictory position instead of addressing belief in the PM's statements.
  11. misdirected
    Senate of CanadaJack Layton (NDP) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). substantive question.The answer again highlights the NDP's contradiction rather than engaging with the proposal for dialogue on Senate abolition.Once again the leader of the New Democratic Party is in a bit of a contradiction.
  12. deflected
    Elections CanadaMarlene Jennings (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.The answer dismisses all accusations as incorrect and asserts legality without addressing the specific evidence or timeline requested.The reality is that all of our activities are lawful.
  13. misdirected
    Elections CanadaMarlene Jennings (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.The answer shifts to challenging the asker to repeat accusations outside the House rather than addressing the question about the PM.I have not heard her make those accusations outside the House.
  14. deflected
    Elections CanadaDominic LeBlanc (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.The answer asserts legality and similarity to other parties without addressing the candidates' admissions or the PM's role.All of our activities are legal.
  15. deflected
    Elections CanadaDominic LeBlanc (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.The answer repeats the claim of legality without resolving the contradiction between the PM and candidates.All of our activities were legal.
  16. deflected
    Forest IndustryMr. Jean-Yves Roy (Bloc) asked Lawrence Cannon (Conservative). substantive question.The answer discusses the global economy and the throne speech instead of committing to the specific Bloc-proposed measures.It is unfortunate that the Bloc Québécois opposes the speech.
  17. misdirected
    Forest IndustryMr. Jean-Yves Roy (Bloc) asked Gary Lunn (Conservative). loaded question.The answer attacks the Bloc Québécois for not supporting the throne speech instead of addressing the request for new action on the forest industry.It is very unfortunate that the Bloc will not stand up for the forest sector in Quebec or anywhere else in Canada. It should support the throne speech.
  18. partly answered
    Older WorkersMr. Yves Lessard (Bloc) asked Monte Solberg (Conservative). substantive question.The answer references existing targeted initiatives for older workers but does not address the call for a new $75 million income support program.I point out that today we have nine different initiatives underway in Quebec under the targeted initiative for older workers, an initiative that the government brought in, with the support of the Bloc Québécois.
  19. deflected
    Older WorkersMr. Yves Lessard (Bloc) asked Monte Solberg (Conservative). substantive question.The answer avoids the request for a royal recommendation and instead lectures the member on faith in Quebec workers.the government feels that those workers have dignity and it is not up to this government to give that dignity to them.
  20. misdirected
    Holiday GreetingsMrs. Susan Kadis (Liberal) asked Jason Kenney (Conservative). substantive question.The answer accuses the questioner of sinister motivation and asks about her own holiday cards rather than explaining the PMO list.What is her sinister motivation? Before she answers that, I would like her to tell us whether she has ever sent out Rosh Hashanah cards, or other Liberals have, to members of the Jewish community.
  21. misdirected
    Holiday GreetingsMrs. Susan Kadis (Liberal) asked Jason Kenney (Conservative). substantive question.The answer again attacks the member’s hypocrisy and cites an unrelated constituent email instead of explaining how the list was compiled.We know that Rosh Hashanah is the Jewish new year, but it seems for that member it is the high holiday for hypocrisy.
  22. deflected
    Holiday GreetingsGarth Turner (Liberal) asked Jason Kenney (Conservative). substantive question.The answer defends the practice with a general statement about multiculturalism but does not disclose the source of the private information.Most MPs perhaps over there only do it at Christmastime, but because we believe in multiculturalism we share holiday greetings on important festivities for all communities based on publicly available lists of information.
  23. misdirected
    Holiday GreetingsGarth Turner (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.The answer shifts to attacking the member’s past statement on floor-crossing instead of addressing the privacy issue.That is why he said on February 10, 2006, "I think anyone who crosses the floor should go back to the people for ratification".
  24. partly answered
    AfghanistanMs. Dawn Black (NDP) asked Maxime Bernier (Conservative). loaded question.The answer addresses only the panel chair’s pay but ignores the broader question about support for military families and extending the mission.I can tell you and the entire House that the chair of the panel will be paid the government fees we traditionally pay and will not receive any special treatment.
  25. deflected
    AfghanistanMs. Dawn Black (NDP) asked Maxime Bernier (Conservative). loaded question.The answer addresses only the reason for presence in Afghanistan via UN mandate while ignoring spending, family support, and Manley pay questions.We are there because it is under a UN mandate.
  26. deflected
    Government AppointmentsJudy Sgro (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.The answer denies any offer but pivots to attacking the Liberal Party instead of identifying who was approached.It is only the Liberal Party of Canada that would consider the failure to make a patronage appointment a scandal.
  27. misdirected
    Government AppointmentsJudy Sgro (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.The answer shifts blame to the mayor's Liberal past rather than addressing who in government made or received the alleged offer.I think the one person who could have made that offer in the past might have been the mayor in question, back in the days when he was the president of the Liberal fundraising organization, the Laurier Club.
  28. deflected
    Status of WomenMaria Minna (Liberal) asked Josée Verner (Conservative). loaded question.The answer calls the premise untrue and cites a funding increase the asker voted against but does not explain how silencing voices improves equality.She knows quite well that our government increased funding for the women's program to its highest level, a 42% increase, and the member voted against it.
  29. partly answered
    Status of WomenMaria Minna (Liberal) asked Josée Verner (Conservative). substantive question.The answer cites one grant to Actu-Elle and upcoming projects but does not address why defence groups receive funding while women's advocacy groups are excluded.Just recently, I gave a grant to the Actu-Elle organization, which provides opportunities and tools to help women achieve economic independence.
  30. deflected
    Status of WomenMs. Nicole Demers (Bloc) asked Josée Verner (Conservative). substantive question.The answer accuses the asker of falsehoods and repeats the 42% funding increase without addressing the absence of pay equity or economic security measures in the throne speech.The reality is that our government increased the grants to women's programs by 42%, making it the largest budget ever for the program that provides direct assistance to women, thus much less bureaucracy and more tangible results for women.
  31. misdirected
    Status of WomenMs. Johanne Deschamps (Bloc) asked Josée Verner (Conservative). rhetorical question.The answer attacks a colleague's past comments about the minister instead of addressing restoration of original program criteria or understanding women's realities.If the member would truly like to contribute to the advancement of women in Quebec, I would invite her to start by enlightening her colleague from Brome—Missisquoi , who made some inappropriate comments following my appointment as Minister of Canadian Heritage .
  32. partly answered
    Royal Canadian Mounted PoliceHedy Fry (Liberal) asked Stockwell Day (Conservative). substantive question.The answer offers condolences and notes ongoing RCMP and police association reviews but provides no commitment on procedures or reassurance against routine taser use.I would also say that the RCMP is right now in the midst of doing a review for me on the use of taser.
  33. deflected
    The EnvironmentMr. Nathan Cullen (NDP) asked John Baird (Conservative). loaded question.The answer attacks the opposition amendments rather than explaining refusal to bring the bill back for a vote.the amendments made by the opposition parties to the old clean air act simply created an unlimited licence to pollute.
  34. deflected
    The EnvironmentMr. Nathan Cullen (NDP) asked John Baird (Conservative). loaded question.The answer rejects taking orders from the US instead of addressing courage to act on climate change.I am not going to be taking my orders from the U.S. Congress, from Democrats or Republicans.
  35. answered
    Foreign AffairsIrwin Cotler (Liberal) asked Helena Guergis (Conservative). substantive question.The answer directly assures that consular assistance and contact have been provided.I can assure the hon. member that consular affairs has been in regular contact with him, with his family and with his lawyer.
  36. partly answered
    Equalization PaymentsMr. Bill Casey (Independent) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.The answer identifies one piece of legislation but does not confirm the chart or fully detail amendments.the legislation that has to be amended will include the Budget Implementation Act.
  37. misdirected
    Conservative Party of CanadaScott Brison (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.The answer attacks the Liberal Party's record on democracy instead of addressing the Prime Minister's actions.it is always amusing to have a Liberal talk about democracy in his party.
  38. partly answered
    Business of the HouseRalph Goodale (Liberal) asked Jason Kenney (Conservative). substantive question.The answer addresses tabling the quote but ignores the request for House business plans.I am happy to table a printout of the document from which I was reading.
  39. misdirected
    PrivilegeMr. Nathan Cullen (NDP) asked Mr. Richard Harris (Conservative). substantive question.The answer accuses the member of a tirade rather than addressing the privilege obstruction claim.The member for Skeena—Bulkley Valley in fact has been on somewhat of a tirade for a number of months now
  40. deflected
    PrivilegeRalph Goodale (Liberal) asked Mr. Tom Lukiwski (Conservative). loaded question.The answer denies party direction and justifies the action without engaging the democracy perversion claim.It was not. My colleague wanted to ensure that constituents in his former riding were able to get the level of service