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Wednesday, October 17, 2007 · sitting No. 2

Throne speech debate opens with Liberals faulting vague priorities

The House spent the largest share of the sitting on the address in reply to the Speech from the Throne. Liberal Leader Stéphane Dion said the document was vague and full of holes while Conservative ministers defended its five priorities and its plan to limit federal spending power in provincial jurisdictions.

Question Period was dominated by repeated Liberal demands that the Prime Minister address three investigations into Conservative election spending and appointments. Government House Leader Peter Van Loan replied that all party practices were legal and that the Liberals had refused earlier offers to open their own books.

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Who held the floor · 2007-10-17

Government (Conservative)OppositionOver the day: government 43%, opposition 57% of the words spokenQuestion PeriodRoutine proceedingsSpeech from the Throne▲ Government side held the floor▼ Opposition held the floorOpened 14:0015:0016:0017:0018:00Last speech 18:55Time of day, Ottawa · the House sat 4 h 55 min · each dot is a stretch of debate, placed at the minute it began
48Debate fills the day, bills barely moveThe sitting was dominated by extended debate on the Address in Reply, with little time on other topics and a low share of substantive business. No votes were held, only three bills were introduced, and Question Period produced mostly deflected or misdirected answers.AI-rated Score out of 100; the verdict and the answer ratings behind it are a model’s reading. How the AI rates this

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Other moments

The Environment

Bloc Québécois MP Bernard Bigras said intensity-based greenhouse-gas targets would allow total emissions to rise, and Environment Minister John Baird answered that the government would achieve absolute reductions.

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Afghanistan

Bloc Québécois MP Francine Lalonde asked whether the throne speech had already extended the Kandahar mission to 2011, and Foreign Affairs Minister Maxime Bernier replied that Canada would not abandon Afghans after February 2009.

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Equalization Payments

Liberal MP Robert Thibault accused the Prime Minister of bullying Nova Scotia into a lesser Atlantic accord deal, and Defence Minister Peter MacKay said most Nova Scotians welcomed the resolution reached with Premier Rodney MacDonald.

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Senate of Canada

Conservative MP Kevin Sorenson welcomed the swearing-in of Alberta senator-elect Bert Brown and said the appointment showed the government was serious about Senate reform.

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Question Period, exchange by exchange

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  1. deflected
    Government AccountabilityDominic LeBlanc (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.Answer ignores the three investigations and pivots to a minor appointment issue while attacking Liberals.I guess after an entire summer the best the member could come up with is a story where we refused to give an appointment to someone.
  2. misdirected
    Government AccountabilityDominic LeBlanc (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.Answer denies wrongdoing but immediately shifts to accusing the Liberal Party of identical or worse practices.Guess what I have just defined? The way the Liberal Party has won elections for years.
  3. deflected
    Government AccountabilityDominic LeBlanc (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.Answer evades the call for staff to cooperate or step aside and instead attacks the Liberals for not opening their books.Why? I guess it was because of the $40 million that is still stashed somewhere, or maybe it was spent on previous election campaigns.
  4. misdirected
    Government AccountabilityMarlene Jennings (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.Answer rejects the premise then pivots to past Liberal admissions of breaking the law rather than addressing Conservative staff involvement.I can tell the House who did break the law.
  5. deflected
    Government AccountabilityMarlene Jennings (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.Answer dismisses the payroll claims as baseless stories and offers no response on dropping the case against Elections Canada.after a summer away, the best the Liberals can do is come up with stories that have no basis about corrections.
  6. answered
    Speech from the ThroneMr. Gilles Duceppe (Bloc) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). substantive question.Answer directly addresses the spending-power limit question by stating the government will introduce legislation.For the first time ever, the government will introduce legislation to place formal limits on the use of the federal spending power in areas of exclusive provincial jurisdiction.
  7. partly answered
    Speech from the ThroneMr. Gilles Duceppe (Bloc) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). substantive question.Answer notes no prior bill was passed but does not directly confirm or deny similarity to the 1996 Chrétien wording.none of the previous governments have introduced a bill, with the support of the government of Quebec, to meet the historic demands that the province has articulated over the past four decades.
  8. partly answered
    Speech from the ThroneMrs. Vivian Barbot (Bloc) asked Rona Ambrose (Conservative). loaded question.Answer reiterates intent to table a bill but does not address the specific concern about non-shared-cost programs.We are prepared to work with our Bloc colleague on an issue that is so important to the Bloc and to Quebeckers.
  9. partly answered
    Speech from the ThroneMrs. Vivian Barbot (Bloc) asked Rona Ambrose (Conservative). substantive question.Addresses opt-out conditions but avoids confirming unconditional right or agreement with the Quebec minister.If one province would like to opt out, as long as it delivers a comparable service to its citizens and we have comparable services across the country we will work with them.
  10. deflected
    Speech from the ThroneJack Layton (NDP) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). rhetorical question.Ignores the listed failures and instead attacks the questioner's prior decision to oppose the speech.If the leader of the NDP had not decided several weeks before the throne speech was read that he would oppose it, he would have noticed these things in the throne speech.
  11. deflected
    Speech from the ThroneJack Layton (NDP) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). rhetorical question.Ignores the listed failures and instead attacks the questioner's prior decision to oppose the speech.Once again, if the leader of the NDP had not decided several weeks ago to oppose this throne speech, he would have read it before commenting on it.
  12. deflected
    Elections CanadaMr. Brian Murphy (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.Avoids the cost question entirely by shifting to the throne speech and Liberal indecision.I guess the Liberals have not yet decided what they will do on the throne speech and have nothing else to talk about.
  13. deflected
    Elections CanadaMr. Brian Murphy (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.States general compliance with law but does not address reimbursement or the specific court challenge.of course we always comply with the law.
  14. misdirected
    Elections CanadaKaren Redman (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.Turns to accusing the Liberal Party of shutting down the investigation rather than answering about ending the appeal.I remind members that the people who shut down the investigation, the inquiry and the study at the procedure and House affairs committee were not members of the Conservative Party.
  15. misdirected
    Elections CanadaKaren Redman (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.Attacks Liberal Party practices instead of addressing the Conservative appeal or admitting to breaking the law.For years, its advertising, its promotional materials and even its lawn signs have been purchased by grouped purchases and grouped advertising buys, exactly the same thing they are complaining we did.
  16. partly answered
    SecuritiesMr. Paul Crête (Bloc) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). substantive question.Affirms respect for constitutional authority but does not commit to respecting the Quebec consensus or abandoning the project.Our intention is to act within the federal constitutional power with respect to all matters relating to trade and commerce in Canada.
  17. partly answered
    SecuritiesMr. Paul Crête (Bloc) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). loaded question.The answer addresses the constitutional claim and counters the Quebec opposition premise but avoids the core demand about abandoning the project.I would remind the member opposite also that the Minister of Finance in Quebec has called for national enforcement with respect to securities which necessarily involves the Government of Canada.
  18. answered
    The EnvironmentMr. Bernard Bigras (Bloc) asked John Baird (Conservative). loaded question.The answer directly rejects the premise about intensity targets and states an absolute reduction will occur.Our program will ensure an absolute reduction of greenhouse gases.
  19. answered
    The EnvironmentMr. Bernard Bigras (Bloc) asked John Baird (Conservative). substantive question.The answer directly states that the market, not Ottawa, will decide the exchange location.They are saying that the market will determine this decision and that it is not a decision to be made in the halls here in Ottawa.
  20. deflected
    Government AppointmentsJudy Sgro (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.The answer avoids addressing the police investigation or officials stepping aside and instead attacks the opposition's record.It is a big difference from the days when appointments were made.
  21. deflected
    Government AppointmentsJudy Sgro (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.The answer repeats a denial but sidesteps why the named individuals remain in roles during the investigation.From this government's side, no offer was ever made, no appointment ever given.
  22. deflected
    Holiday GreetingsMrs. Susan Kadis (Liberal) asked Jason Kenney (Conservative). substantive question.The answer justifies the practice broadly but does not explain how religious affiliation data was obtained or used.We make no apology for doing the same thing with Canada's Jewish community to celebrate their important high holidays as well.
  23. deflected
    Holiday GreetingsMrs. Susan Kadis (Liberal) asked Jason Kenney (Conservative). substantive question.The answer celebrates multiculturalism but evades the question about compiling religious and ethnic lists.This government believes in sharing greetings with Canadians from all of those backgrounds at important times in different cultural and religious communities.
  24. misdirected
    Goods and Services TaxMr. Thomas Mulcair (NDP) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). loaded question.The answer attacks the NDP and Liberals on GST instead of addressing ATM fees or middle-class relief.I knew, Mr. Speaker, that the Liberals are against reducing the GST.
  25. misdirected
    Goods and Services TaxMr. Thomas Mulcair (NDP) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). substantive question.The answer ignores ATM fees entirely and pivots to an unrelated GST quote from 1994.I think the question was about the GST, at least the first question.
  26. misdirected
    Equalization PaymentsRobert Thibault (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.The response attacks the Liberal member for disliking good news instead of addressing the bullying or misleading claims.What we see happening is a Liberal member who does not like good news.
  27. misdirected
    Equalization PaymentsRobert Thibault (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.The answer resorts to personal insults about bluster and vitriol while diverting to unrelated past issues.if he were a car, he would run on a mix of adrenalin and vitriol
  28. partly answered
    Equalization PaymentsMr. Bill Casey (Independent) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.The answer defends the deal's benefits but provides no copy of the agreement or response to the article's specific claim.This allows us to be the full beneficiaries of the Atlantic accord with the additional portion of Crown share that was left out under the previous government.
  29. misdirected
    Equalization PaymentsMr. Bill Casey (Independent) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.The response criticizes the member's personal motives and crusade rather than addressing the timeline for tabling amendments.We just wish that he would work a little bit more productively in the interests of Nova Scotians, put his own personal crusade aside
  30. partly answered
    AfghanistanMs. Francine Lalonde (Bloc) asked Maxime Bernier (Conservative). substantive question.The answer quotes the throne speech on not abandoning Afghanistan but does not clarify whether the panel review is a fait accompli.Our Government does not believe that Canada should simply abandon the people of Afghanistan after February 2009
  31. answered
    AfghanistanMr. Claude Bachand (Bloc) asked Maxime Bernier (Conservative). substantive question.The answer directly links security needs to humanitarian and development goals in response to the military-versus-humanitarian critique.there can be no development without security, that there can be no economic development without security
  32. partly answered
    DarfurMr. Glen Pearson (Liberal) asked Maxime Bernier (Conservative). substantive question.The answer lists existing aid contributions but does not address breaking silence or creating a new cross-party course of action.Canada is the fourth-largest contributor in international aid to the African Union.
  33. deflected
    The EnvironmentMs. Libby Davies (NDP) asked John Baird (Conservative). rhetorical question.The answer pivots to general government actions on emissions without addressing the specific question on the clean air act or respect for House decisions.This government is acting in a big way through mandatory regulations requiring the big polluters to cut their emissions, new transportation initiatives to address that sector, as well as major initiatives in energy conservation and efficiency.
  34. deflected
    The EnvironmentMs. Libby Davies (NDP) asked John Baird (Conservative). rhetorical question.The answer shifts to climate action and regulations while ignoring the listed unfulfilled House motions and the question on moral responsibility.Just this spring we began to act by regulating for the first time in Canadian history the big polluters to clean up their act.
  35. partly answered
    DarfurKeith Martin (Liberal) asked Maxime Bernier (Conservative). substantive question.The answer notes contributions to the African Union and support for a political process but does not confirm assets specifically for the UN mission in Darfur.We are the fourth-largest contributor to the African Union.