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Friday, September 29, 2023 · sitting No. 227
Commons debates sustainable jobs bill as housing and carbon tax dominate question period
The House spent the largest share of the sitting on government orders debating Bill C-50, an act respecting federal accountability, transparency and engagement to support the creation of sustainable jobs for workers and economic growth in a net-zero economy, at second reading. Liberal MP Julie Dabrusin opened the debate by outlining five key elements including guiding principles for economic development and climate action. Conservative MP Stephanie Kusie questioned the government's sincerity, citing its record on bills C-48 and C-69 and multiple carbon taxes.
Question period featured repeated exchanges on housing and carbon pricing. Conservative MP Melissa Lantsman pressed the government on rising home prices and mortgage costs after nearly $90 billion in spending, while Liberal MP Peter Fragiskatos defended the approach through partnerships with provinces and municipalities. Conservative MP Gérard Deltell and others challenged the carbon tax increases, with ministers Steven Guilbeault and Pablo Rodriguez defending the policy by pointing to climate costs.
Further clashes arose over foreign affairs and indigenous issues. Conservative MP Rachael Thomas accused the Prime Minister of hiding for five days after the Nazi scandal in the House, with Liberal minister Jean-Yves Duclos attributing responsibility to the former speaker. Bloc Québécois MP Marilène Gill raised concerns about the Chalk River nuclear waste project and lack of consultation with first nations.
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Oil and Gas Industry
Bloc Québécois MP Christine Normandin noted a 2.1 per cent rise in greenhouse gas emissions driven by the oil and gas sector and asked when the government would stop subsidizing it, with Environment Minister Steven Guilbeault replying that Canada had eliminated fossil fuel subsidies ahead of the 2025 deadline.
Read the exchangeNational Day for Truth and Reconciliation
Liberal MP Jaime Battiste reflected on the National Day for Truth and Reconciliation, comparing residential school death rates to those of Canadian soldiers in World War II and urging kindness toward survivors, while Conservative MP Jamie Schmale called for sustained commitment to address ongoing disparities.
Read the exchangeAgriculture and Agri-Food
Conservative MP James Bezan said farmers in his Manitoba riding faced higher costs from the quadrupling carbon tax on fuel for tractors and combines, with the government side responding that pricing does not apply in Quebec and that climate impacts on agriculture must be addressed.
Read the exchangePublic Safety
Conservative MP Dane Lloyd criticized the transfer of a notorious killer to medium security without prior notice to victims' families, with Liberal MP Jennifer O'Connell stating that all committee members had agreed to study victim rights and transfer processes.
Read the exchangeYouth in Policing
Liberal MP Ryan Turnbull highlighted the graduation of 85 young participants from the Durham Regional Police Service youth in policing program and praised their achievements after an eight-week course.
Read the exchangeQuestion Period, exchange by exchange
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- misdirectedGovernment AccountabilityMs. Melissa Lantsman (Conservative) asked Mr. Peter Fragiskatos (Liberal). rhetorical question.The answer attacks the opposition leader's past housing record instead of addressing the question about the Prime Minister's responsibilities.
When he was in government as the minister responsible for housing, he put forward a plan for $300 million, with fewer than 100 homes built.
- deflectedHousingMs. Melissa Lantsman (Conservative) asked Mr. Peter Fragiskatos (Liberal). loaded question.The answer defends past pandemic spending and criticizes Conservatives without addressing how to stop spending or build homes now.
Today, we see a government that has put forward a plan to get more homes built.
- partly answeredHousingMs. Melissa Lantsman (Conservative) asked Mr. Peter Fragiskatos (Liberal). substantive question.The answer directly counters the claim about Conservative housing ideas leading to fewer homes and explains the government's plan.
Witnesses from the Ministry of Finance confirmed that if the Conservatives' idea for housing were to be put in place, fewer homes would be built compared to our particular plan
- answeredForeign AffairsMr. Gérard Deltell (Conservative) asked Jean-Yves Duclos (Liberal). substantive question.The answer directly explains that the former Speaker alone was responsible for the invitation and that the government was not involved.
the former speaker of the House of Commons clearly indicated that he alone was responsible for inviting that person and for recognizing him in the House of Commons.
- deflectedCarbon PricingMr. Gérard Deltell (Conservative) asked Pablo Rodriguez (Liberal). loaded question.The answer shifts to costs of climate impacts and attacks Conservatives rather than addressing the carbon tax increase.
The answer is obvious: We cannot afford the Conservatives.
- partly answeredOil and Gas IndustryMs. Christine Normandin (Bloc) asked Steven Guilbeault (Liberal). substantive question.The answer addresses subsidies by claiming elimination of fossil fuel subsidies but does not explain the oil sector emissions increase.
Canada is the first G20 country to eliminate fossil fuel subsidies.
- answeredOil and Gas IndustryMs. Christine Normandin (Bloc) asked Steven Guilbeault (Liberal). substantive question.The answer directly references the climate plan, methane regulations, and clean fuel standard to show action on oil and gas emissions.
That is why we already have methane regulations to reduce emissions of this very potent greenhouse gas by at least 40% by 2025.
- answeredJusticeMr. Blake Desjarlais (NDP) asked Mr. James Maloney (Liberal). substantive question.The answer directly states opposition to the pre-emptive use of the notwithstanding clause and urges pause after the court decision.
We are dead set against the pre-emptive use of the notwithstanding clause in any circumstances.
- deflectedHousingMs. Lori Idlout (NDP) asked Mr. Jaime Battiste (Liberal). substantive question.The answer acknowledges the issue but offers only general commitments without addressing the specific funding gap or timeline.
Our government is committed to doing that.
- deflectedForeign AffairsMrs. Rachael Thomas (Conservative) asked Jean-Yves Duclos (Liberal). loaded question.The answer shifts blame entirely to the former Speaker and avoids addressing whether the Prime Minister should take personal responsibility.
the former Speaker made it very clear that he alone was responsible for inviting this individual to the House and recognizing him.
- deflectedForeign AffairsMrs. Rachael Thomas (Conservative) asked Jean-Yves Duclos (Liberal). loaded question.The answer again attributes responsibility solely to the Speaker and sidesteps any call for the Prime Minister to apologize.
the former Speaker has made it very clear that he alone was responsible for inviting this individual to the House and recognizing him.
- misdirectedHousingMr. Philip Lawrence (Conservative) asked Mr. Peter Fragiskatos (Liberal). loaded question.The answer ignores the department warning and instead attacks the opposition leader's past comments.
- misdirectedHousingMr. Philip Lawrence (Conservative) asked Mr. Peter Fragiskatos (Liberal). loaded question.The answer pivots to criticizing the opposition's voting record rather than addressing housing affordability or gatekeepers.
he is quite correct; that side does play games.
- deflectedHousingMrs. Tracy Gray (Conservative) asked Mr. Peter Fragiskatos (Liberal). loaded question.The answer highlights Canada's G7 standing and specific housing measures but does not address stopping inflationary spending.
Canada has the lowest deficit and debt in the G7, but times remain hard.
- deflectedHousingMrs. Tracy Gray (Conservative) asked Mr. Peter Fragiskatos (Liberal). loaded question.The answer notes inflation reduction progress but evades the question on stopping spending to address housing costs.
In July 2022, we had inflation at over 8%, which is now down to 4%.
- partly answeredIndigenous AffairsMrs. Marilène Gill (Bloc) asked Ms. Julie Dabrusin (Liberal). substantive question.The answer addresses safety and regulatory oversight but does not respond to the call for consultation or canceling the project.
The project proposal is currently being reviewed by the commission, and a hearing just wrapped up.
- deflectedIndigenous AffairsMrs. Marilène Gill (Bloc) asked Mr. Jaime Battiste (Liberal). substantive question.The answer avoids committing to a response on the specific letter and instead references future committee work.
We look forward to hearing from the chiefs and from the member opposite, and to working with them to ensure that we are fulfilling our obligations under UNDRIP and our duty to consult.
- misdirectedNational DefenceMr. James Bezan (Conservative) asked Bill Blair (Liberal). loaded question.The answer attacks past Conservative actions rather than addressing the current spending cuts mentioned.
I think we all remember when the Conservatives set back defence capability by years when they reduced defence expenditures to below 1% of our GDP.
- deflectedHealthMr. Todd Doherty (Conservative) asked Ya'ara Saks (Liberal). loaded question.The answer accuses the asker of spreading misinformation instead of addressing the specific funding and policy question.
However, I have to say to the member across the way that spreading misinformation about harm reduction, and conflating harm reduction and treatment, loses lives rather than saves them.
- deflectedPublic SafetyMr. Dane Lloyd (Conservative) asked Ms. Jennifer O'Connell (Liberal). loaded question.The answer begins by accusing the asker of distancing from the truth and cuts off without addressing the transfer or committee issue.
it is clear that the member opposite is distancing himself from the truth once again.
- partly answeredCarbon PricingMr. Richard Lehoux (Conservative) asked Steven Guilbeault (Liberal). loaded question.The answer directly corrects the premise about Quebec carbon pricing but then pivots to criticizing Conservatives on climate without addressing the tax increase question.
I would like to remind my hon. colleague that federal carbon pricing does not apply in Quebec.
- partly answeredHousingMr. Matthew Green (NDP) asked Mr. Peter Fragiskatos (Liberal). substantive question.The answer addresses general housing investments but does not respond to the specific request for an acquisition fund.
This government has put substantial investment forward through the national housing strategy to combat homelessness.
- partly answeredHousingMr. Matthew Green (NDP) asked Mr. Peter Fragiskatos (Liberal). substantive question.The answer references existing programs but does not address the immediate direct funding request for social housing repairs.
we have been there for cities like Hamilton and other Canadian cities and towns through programs like Reaching Home and the rapid housing initiative
- deflectedCarbon PricingMr. Shuvaloy Majumdar (Conservative) asked Steven Guilbeault (Liberal). rhetorical question.The answer ignores the carbon tax question entirely and instead discusses climate change impacts via an anecdote.
Chief Brolund vividly described the trauma of fighting this summer's massive wildfires, of sending his team into danger, of fighting to protect homes and lives.
- deflectedCarbon PricingMr. Martin Shields (Conservative) asked Bill Blair (Liberal). loaded question.Answer discusses climate investments but never addresses whether to axe the carbon tax.
we are investing nearly half a billion dollars in programs like the agricultural technology program and the climate solutions program.
- misdirectedCarbon PricingMr. Bernard Généreux (Conservative) asked Pablo Rodriguez (Liberal). loaded question.Answer attacks Conservatives and promotes battery jobs instead of addressing the carbon tax question.
I find the attacks against the Bloc Québécois to be very mean, but I would like to say that if the Conservatives are the least bit interested in the economy in Quebec, they would acknowledge yesterday's historic announcement
- misdirectedCarbon PricingMr. Bernard Généreux (Conservative) asked Steven Guilbeault (Liberal). loaded question.Answer attacks Conservative climate stance instead of addressing the carbon tax or its cost.
in 2023, it is incomprehensible, and I would even say immoral, that a political party aspiring to form the government has nothing to say on the issue of climate change
- partly answeredAgriculture and Agri-FoodMr. Yves Perron (Bloc) asked Bill Blair (Liberal). substantive question.Answer explains the tiger team process and stakeholder consultations but does not commit to independent experts.
The tiger team process was intended as a time-limited mechanism through which multiple stakeholders in the grain supply chain would have an opportunity to provide their views
- answeredAgriculture and Agri-FoodMr. Yves Perron (Bloc) asked Steven Guilbeault (Liberal). substantive question.Answer states that independent scientists are now reviewing pesticides as requested.
We are allowing more independent scientists to review each of these pesticides.
- deflectedCarbon PricingMr. Jake Stewart (Conservative) asked Mr. Darrell Samson (Liberal). loaded question.Answer pivots to the Atlantic accord instead of addressing the carbon tax vote.
Let us talk about what is important for Atlantic Canadians.
- misdirectedCarbon PricingMr. Jake Stewart (Conservative) asked Steven Guilbeault (Liberal). loaded question.Answer attacks Conservative energy policy instead of addressing the carbon tax vote.
Why is the Conservative Party opposing the development of clean energy in Canada, like the moratorium that Premier Smith has put in place in Alberta
- deflectedCarbon PricingMr. Michael Kram (Conservative) asked Steven Guilbeault (Liberal). loaded question.Answer discusses wildfire costs and carbon pricing rationale but never addresses cancelling the tax increase.
Chief Brolund asked, "What could we have accomplished if we used that same amount of money proactively?"
- deflectedAgriculture and Agri-FoodMrs. Cathay Wagantall (Conservative) asked Bill Blair (Liberal). loaded question.The answer lists general agricultural investments but never addresses the specific request for AgriRecovery funding.
we will continue to do everything that is necessary to support the important work of our Canadian farmers.
- deflectedInfrastructureMr. Jamie Schmale (Conservative) asked Steven Guilbeault (Liberal). loaded question.The answer defends Parks Canada instead of addressing the bridge repair timeline or transferring the file.
I would actually take issue with the fact that the member is accusing one of the most respected institutions in our country, Parks Canada, of not doing its job.
- partly answeredInfrastructureMr. Jamie Schmale (Conservative) asked Steven Guilbeault (Liberal). substantive question.The answer commits to working with officials on the bridges but provides no timeline or concrete action.
I will be talking with Parks Canada officials to ensure these problems are solved as quickly as possible.
- partly answeredCanadian HeritageMr. Brian Masse (NDP) asked Pascale St-Onge (Liberal). substantive question.The answer references Bill C-11 for new revenue but does not address TikTok's specific failure to compensate Canadian creators.
Through this new bill, we are going to bring in new revenue so that we could better support our creators in Canada.
- deflectedIndigenous AffairsMs. Elizabeth May (Green) asked Mr. Peter Fragiskatos (Liberal). substantive question.The answer cites an independent agency decision without addressing the request to delay construction until reasons are given.
it is an independent decision that was reached by an independent agency.
- misdirectedPoints of OrderMrs. Shannon Stubbs (Conservative) asked Mr. Jaime Battiste (Liberal). rhetorical question.The response shifts to attacking the Leader of the Opposition rather than addressing the point of order about the parliamentary secretary's comments.
I would like to table documents with the comments the Leader of the Opposition made when he was a member of Parliament.