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Wednesday, September 27, 2023 · sitting No. 225
Commons grills Trudeau over Nazi honour at Zelenskyy visit
Oral questions on foreign affairs consumed the largest share of the sitting as Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre pressed Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to accept personal responsibility for the recognition of a Waffen-SS veteran during Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy's address to Parliament. Trudeau offered unreserved apologies on behalf of the House but rejected calls for government vetting of all guests, describing such a step as an attack on parliamentary privilege.
The House also advanced second reading of Bill C-56, the affordable housing and groceries act, with Liberal MP Patrick Weiler defending the removal of the GST on purpose-built rentals and expanded powers for the Competition Bureau. Conservative MP Greg McLean questioned the timing of the measures and noted that the bill omits the word affordable that appeared in earlier ministerial commitments.
New Democratic Leader Jagmeet Singh raised grocery prices and the climate crisis while Liberal MPs Ben Carr and Yvan Baker sought updates on reconciliation and rental construction.
Decided that day
- Bill S-222 passed third reading
- Bill C-323 passed second reading
- Motion M-78 passed
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- deflectedForeign AffairsPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). loaded question.The answer offers a collective apology but avoids any personal responsibility by the Prime Minister.
on behalf of everyone in the House, I would like to present unreserved apologies for what took place on Friday and for the position that President Zelenskyy and the Ukrainian delegation were put in.
- deflectedForeign AffairsPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). loaded question.The answer repeats a collective apology without addressing the demand for personal responsibility.
on behalf of all of us in this House, I would like to present unreserved apologies for what took place on Friday, including to President Zelenskyy and the Ukrainian delegation for the position they were put in.
- deflectedForeign AffairsPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer reframes the question as an attack on parliamentary rights instead of confirming whether vetting occurred.
the privilege, responsibilities and rights of parliamentarians are sacrosanct, and that the Leader of the Opposition would be suggesting that any visitor to this House should be vetted by the government of the day is actually a grievous attack on the rights and privileges of parliamentarians.
- misdirectedForeign AffairsPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). loaded question.The answer attacks the opposition leader's motives rather than addressing security measures taken.
The Leader of the Opposition knows that not one parliamentarian was aware, but the truth does not matter to him.
- deflectedForeign AffairsPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). loaded question.The answer shifts focus to criticizing the opposition's supposed attack on parliamentary privileges instead of addressing the duty to protect the event.
Now, in order to make partisan attacks, he is proposing that the government of the day have the ability to vet and oversee the rights of parliamentarians, and indeed of the Speaker, to include people in this House, to invite them into this House.
- partly answeredForeign AffairsMr. Yves-François Blanchet (Bloc) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer addresses the propaganda concern but does not confirm whether a personal call to Zelenskyy was made.
Here in Canada, we will continue to stand firm in the defence of Ukraine and the principles of territorial integrity and sovereignty.
- partly answeredForeign AffairsMr. Yves-François Blanchet (Bloc) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer discusses messaging and countering propaganda but does not confirm a direct call or new healing efforts with Jewish communities.
we have sent several messages directly to the Ukrainian people and to President Zelenskyy.
- answeredForeign AffairsMr. Jagmeet Singh (NDP) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer outlines concrete ongoing and stepped-up actions on aid and countering propaganda.
We will continue to ensure, with the military aid, humanitarian aid, financial aid and diplomatic aid we are engaged with around the world, that we will continue and, indeed, step up efforts to counter Russian propaganda.
- deflectedForeign AffairsMr. Jagmeet Singh (NDP) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer acknowledges embarrassment but pivots to Ukraine aid without addressing actions to clean up the mess.
The important thing is to continue to remain firmly on the side of Ukraine, to fight against Russian propaganda and arrogance.
- deflectedForeign AffairsMs. Melissa Lantsman (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). loaded question.The answer defends parliamentary independence and restates Ukraine support instead of addressing personal responsibility.
the principle of independence of Parliament from the government of the day is well established.
- misdirectedForeign AffairsMs. Melissa Lantsman (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). loaded question.The answer attacks the opposition for making partisan gains rather than addressing the demand for responsibility.
However, they are also interested in seeing who is trying to make partisan hay out of this, who is trying to look for gains out of what was obviously a terrible mistake.
- partly answeredForeign AffairsMr. Marty Morantz (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer recognizes the pain caused and notes the Speaker's resignation but does not include a personal apology from the Prime Minister.
We recognize the deep pain this caused for Jewish communities and for all who were victims of Nazi atrocities, as well as their descendants.
- deflectedForeign AffairsMr. Marty Morantz (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). loaded question.The answer notes unanimous withdrawal of the tribute but shifts to standing with Ukraine instead of addressing a personal apology.
it is important to note that all parliamentarians agreed unanimously yesterday that the tribute to this individual would be withdrawn.
- deflectedForeign AffairsMr. Pierre Paul-Hus (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer emphasizes Speaker independence and Ukraine support without addressing government vetting failures or an apology.
Conservative members are well aware that the independence of the Speaker of the House of Commons is critically important in our parliamentary system.
- partly answeredForeign AffairsMr. Pierre Paul-Hus (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer acknowledges the Speaker's mistake and future safeguards but avoids a personal apology from the Prime Minister.
As we consider the election of the next Speaker of the House, we will want to determine how we can ensure that mistakes like this never happen again.
- answeredForeign AffairsMr. Yves-François Blanchet (Bloc) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer directly addresses contacting Zelenskyy via diplomatic channels and ongoing solidarity with Ukraine.
for days now, we have been apologizing to President Zelenskyy and the Ukrainian people through diplomatic channels, and we continue to work hand in hand with the Ukrainian government to defend the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine from this barbaric Russian invasion, from this violation of international law.
- deflectedForeign AffairsMr. Yves-François Blanchet (Bloc) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer offers a general parliamentary apology and statements of support but does not address whether the Prime Minister personally apologized or met with Jewish community representatives.
We will keep working not only to defend Ukraine but also to support the Jewish community, which has been facing a global rise in anti-Semitism for the past several years.
- misdirectedForeign AffairsMr. James Bezan (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer begins with a brief apology claim then pivots to attacking the opposition over a past meeting with a far-right politician instead of addressing an apology to Zelenskyy.
However, if members of the opposition want the help of security agencies in vetting their guests, if they would like, for example, for us to vet who three members of their team would have lunch with, when they are meeting with a far-right German politician, we would be happy to give them advice on who they should meet with and who they should not meet with.
- deflectedForeign AffairsMr. James Bezan (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer avoids admitting negligence or apologizing by redirecting to the constitutional independence of the Speaker rather than addressing the Prime Minister's own responsibilities.
It is well established that the independence of the Speaker is sacrosanct.
- misdirectedForeign AffairsPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). loaded question.The answer dismisses the question as a partisan attack on the Leader of the Opposition's knowledge instead of addressing vetting protocols for heads of state.
for someone who prides himself on having spent as many years in Parliament as the Leader of the Opposition has, including having been the minister of democratic institutions, albeit under Stephen Harper, to demonstrate such little knowledge and respect for how Parliament functions in order to make a partisan attack is truly disgraceful.
- deflectedForeign AffairsPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). loaded question.The answer refuses to engage with the yes-or-no question on future vetting and instead dismisses the questioner's arguments without substance.
I am going to let the supposed arguments of the Leader of the Opposition stand for Canadians to judge whether or not he is making any sense at all.
- partly answeredGrocery IndustryMr. Jagmeet Singh (NDP) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer addresses government actions on grocery prices but does not respond to the specific request to support the NDP bill.
We have called in the top CEOs to Ottawa to discuss how they can make groceries more affordable.
- answeredClimate ChangeMr. Jagmeet Singh (NDP) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer directly explains the carbon pricing policy as the means to reduce both emissions and energy costs for families.
By putting a price on pollution that returns more money to most Canadians than it costs them, we can fight climate change and help families with the cost of living.
- deflectedForeign AffairsPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). loaded question.The answer sidesteps the repeated question on vetting by reiterating parliamentary privilege and security service roles without confirming or denying the claim.
At the same time, I am fairly certain the Leader of the Opposition is not seriously suggesting the government of the day should be vetting the individuals who that hon. member chooses to invite into the House, in a long-standing principle of parliamentary privilege.
- deflectedForeign AffairsPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.Answer pivots to support for Ukraine and Speaker apology without addressing government vetting failure.
It is extremely important that all of us continue to stand with Volodymyr Zelenskyy and the people of Ukraine and continue to stand against Russia, including against its propaganda and disinformation.
- deflectedForeign AffairsPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.Answer reassures on general security without addressing specific vetting of individuals near the president.
The security of visiting dignitaries and presidents, like President Biden or President Zelenskyy, is always taken extremely seriously, and will continue to be.
- misdirectedForeign AffairsPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.Answer attacks opposition's past actions instead of committing to an apology call.
I will note that to this day, the leader of the official opposition has not apologized for having had three MPs, including one who is still part of his leadership team, sit down to dine with a far right German politician a number of months ago.
- partly answeredForeign AffairsMr. Yves-François Blanchet (Bloc) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.Answer explains the timeline and Speaker process but does not detail actions taken over the three days.
We also understand that the situation, and the respect we all owe the Speaker of the House, required us to give the outgoing Speaker some space to come to terms with events
- answeredForeign AffairsMr. Yves-François Blanchet (Bloc) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.Answer directly confirms the three requested actions have begun.
I agree. We have already begun doing those three things.
- deflectedForeign AffairsPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.Answer highlights physical security measures and urges mention of Zelenskyy without addressing RCMP vetting responsibility.
I would like it, perhaps, when the Leader of the Opposition gets up again, if he could say the name, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, and actually speak about Ukraine.
- deflectedForeign AffairsPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.Answer defends Speaker independence and avoids confirming government role in vetting.
If the member wants to change hundreds of years of parliamentary privilege and Westminster democracy then, absolutely, let us have a debate about that.
- deflectedForeign AffairsPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.Answer reiterates physical screening and Speaker respect without addressing RCMP vetting duty under the cited agreement.
When it comes to the respect for the independence and the authority of the Speaker, this government will continue to respect the independence of the Speaker's office and therefore the responsibility of the Speaker in this matter.
- deflectedGovernment AccountabilityPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). loaded question.Question piles on unproven premises about past misconduct to demand apology; answer pivots to unrelated positives and accuses asker of attacks.
while the Leader of the Opposition concentrates on personal attacks on me, I will stay focused on Canadians
- deflectedGovernment AccountabilityPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). loaded question.Question lists crises as fact and demands responsibility; answer lists government actions and ends by attacking the asker.
We will continue to focus on delivering for Canadians, while he focuses on fights.
- deflectedGovernment AccountabilityPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). loaded question.Question repeats loaded claims of broken promises and crises; answer repeats policy list without addressing responsibility.
We will always be there to help Canadians.
- deflectedSmall BusinessMr. Gord Johns (NDP) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.Question asks for specific one-year CEBA extension commitment; answer gives general support statements without the commitment.
we continue to support them while inflation postpandemic is making the recovery harder.
- partly answeredForeign AffairsMr. Kevin Vuong (Independent) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.Question asks why the apology was delayed; answer acknowledges the incident but does not explain the timing.
this incident was an embarrassment to Canada and to all parliamentarians.