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Thursday, June 15, 2023 · sitting No. 214
Commons spends most time on justice report concurrence amid Bernardo transfer debate
The House devoted the largest share of its sitting to debate on a concurrence motion for the seventh report of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights. Conservative MP Rob Moore moved concurrence and criticized the government's response to victims of crime. Liberal MP Kevin Lamoureux countered that the motion was intended to block debate on Bill C-36 and national child care.
Question period focused on the transfer of Paul Bernardo. Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre asked why the Prime Minister accepted the move from maximum to medium security. Minister of Public Safety Mark Holland replied that Correctional Service of Canada decisions are made independently and should not be subject to political interference.
Decided that day
- Government Business No. 26 on Standing Orders amendments passed
- Motion for closure passed
- Seventh report of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights passed
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Who held the floor · 2023-06-15
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Other moments
Government Business No. 26—Amendments to the Standing Orders
Government House leader Mark Holland moved time allocation on Government Business No. 26. Conservative MP John Brassard said the government was limiting debate on substantive changes to parliamentary procedure.
Read the exchangeDemocratic Institutions
Bloc Québécois MP Christine Normandin pressed for an independent public inquiry before the summer recess. Minister Marco Mendicino said negotiations with opposition parties were continuing and a public inquiry remained an option.
Read the exchangeNews Media Industry
Bloc Québécois MP Martin Champoux asked what further measures would protect newsrooms after 1,300 job losses at Bell Media. Heritage Minister Pablo Rodriguez said the government remained open to new solutions while noting Conservative delays on Bills C-11 and C-18.
Read the exchangeFinancial Institutions
Conservative MP Andrew Scheer said the government should recover Canadian funds from the Beijing-controlled bank. Minister Randy Boissonnault replied that all government-led activity at the bank had been halted and a review was under way.
Read the exchangeQuestion Period, exchange by exchange
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- deflectedPublic SafetyPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Mark Holland (Liberal). loaded question.Answer stresses system independence without addressing PM's role or decision.
the correctional system is independent. Keeping our correctional system free from political interference is imperative.
- deflectedPublic SafetyPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Mark Holland (Liberal). loaded question.Answer accuses opposition of mischaracterizing and restates independence without answering on PM knowledge.
it is unfortunate that the Leader of the Opposition mis-characterizes what happened.
- deflectedPublic SafetyPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Mark Holland (Liberal). loaded question.Answer assumes shared concern and calls for non-politicization instead of addressing the yes/no on PM decision.
I would ask him to work collaboratively with us to find a way where we do not politicize Correctional Service of Canada
- deflectedPublic SafetyPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Mark Holland (Liberal). substantive question.Answer avoids consent request and pivots to measured conversation without committing.
the conversation that we have has to be measured. It has to be based on co-operation
- partly answeredPublic SafetyPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Mark Holland (Liberal). substantive question.Answer acknowledges review timeline and need for discussion but does not commit to bill passage.
There is a review of the decision that was made by the Correctional Service. It is going to be completed in two weeks.
- deflectedDemocratic InstitutionsMs. Christine Normandin (Bloc) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). substantive question.Answer shifts to general cooperation and new authorities without confirming inquiry timeline.
If we work together, we can create new authorities, provide resources and strengthen them to fight foreign interference.
- partly answeredDemocratic InstitutionsMs. Christine Normandin (Bloc) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). substantive question.Answer confirms inquiry remains an option and notes ongoing negotiations but no firm pre-summer announcement.
- deflectedPublic SafetyMr. Peter Julian (NDP) asked Mark Holland (Liberal). loaded question.Answer repeats independence and timeline without addressing email checks or retraumatization claim.
our correctional system is independent. As I explained earlier, staff were informed of the possibility that the individual in question might be transferred.
- deflectedPublic SafetyMr. Peter Julian (NDP) asked Mark Holland (Liberal). loaded question.Answer avoids direct response on timing or incompetence by shifting to independence of Correctional Services and need for non-political talk.
I would say for the member opposite, who knows that Correctional Services is independent and that decisions must not be made with political interference, is that we have to have a conversation, as a House, about how we do not interfere with Correctional Services but also ensure that a transfer of this nature does not occur.
- deflectedPublic SafetyMs. Michelle Ferreri (Conservative) asked Mark Holland (Liberal). loaded question.Answer sidesteps the question on ministerial knowledge by questioning the asker's sincerity and calling assertions unconstructive.
I do not know the member for Peterborough—Kawartha well, but I do know that she is very sincere when she cares about these cases, and she would know that the Prime Minister would be deeply impacted as a father and as a Canadian by the horror of these crimes.
- deflectedPublic SafetyMs. Michelle Ferreri (Conservative) asked Mark Holland (Liberal). loaded question.Answer reframes around shared duties and system independence instead of addressing resignation demand or PM involvement.
the duty that each of us share as hon. members in this chamber is, on behalf of the people whom we are fortunate enough to represent, to attempt to the best of our ability to keep them safe; to make sure that when they are harmed we do everything in our power to restore them; and to make sure, yes, that we have a corrections system that is free from interference.
- partly answeredPublic SafetyMs. Leslyn Lewis (Conservative) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). loaded question.Answer directly states timeline of personal knowledge and actions taken but does not address resignation call or prior awareness claims.
That is why, when I found out on May 30, I took immediate action to reach out to the commissioner to express those concerns.
- misdirectedPublic SafetyMs. Leslyn Lewis (Conservative) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). loaded question.Answer attacks Conservative positions on past issues rather than addressing the specific question about resignation.
When it comes to fighting against gun violence, we are banning AR-15s; the Conservatives want to make them legal again.
- deflectedPublic SafetyMrs. Dominique Vien (Conservative) asked Mark Holland (Liberal). loaded question.Answer emphasizes system independence and emotions without addressing the resignation demand or knowledge timeline.
However, it is important to remember that our correctional system is independent.
- partly answeredPublic SafetyMrs. Dominique Vien (Conservative) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). loaded question.Answer outlines actions taken after May 30 and new directives but ignores resignation and prior knowledge accusations.
When I was informed on May 30, I took the necessary steps to have a discussion with the board.
- deflectedPublic SafetyMs. Kristina Michaud (Bloc) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). rhetorical question.Answer focuses on seriousness and new directives without engaging the sarcastic staffer appointment question.
That is why I will be putting in place new directives to protect the rights of victims.
- partly answeredPublic SafetyMs. Kristina Michaud (Bloc) asked Mark Holland (Liberal). substantive question.Explains briefing process and independence of decision but does not address when real responsibility will be shown.
the choice to transfer an incarcerated person is an independent choice.
- answeredPublic SafetyMs. Kristina Michaud (Bloc) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). substantive question.Directly states actions taken to fulfill ministerial responsibility via new directives.
a minister has a responsibility to determine the problem and correct it. That is exactly what we did
- deflectedPublic SafetyMrs. Shelby Kramp-Neuman (Conservative) asked Mark Holland (Liberal). loaded question.Corrects premise about government decision but avoids addressing resignation or PM answering.
the assertion that this is a decision of the government is false and, in fact, it is dangerous.
- misdirectedPublic SafetyMichelle Rempel Garner (Conservative) asked Mark Holland (Liberal). substantive question.Shifts to commenting on opposition electoral ambitions instead of the question.
the member across has made clear, not just now but for a long time, her desire for her party to be successful and for it to get on this side.
- deflectedPublic SafetyMichelle Rempel Garner (Conservative) asked Mark Holland (Liberal). loaded question.Suggests choosing topics rather than addressing the question about the minister.
I think we should choose what we talk about.
- answeredImmigration, Refugees and CitizenshipMs. Jenny Kwan (NDP) asked Sean Fraser (Liberal). substantive question.Details new measures including opportunity to apply for permanent residency.
We have also advanced new measures to ensure they can apply for permanent residency or remain in Canada without prejudice.
- partly answeredGrocery IndustryMs. Lindsay Mathyssen (NDP) asked Mr. Andy Fillmore (Liberal). substantive question.Addresses grocery prices via Competition Bureau but does not address implementing a windfall tax.
we know that Canadians are paying far too much for their groceries right now.
- deflectedPublic SafetyMr. Pierre Paul-Hus (Conservative) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). loaded question.Denies claims and highlights supportive actions instead of addressing whether minister will be fired.
with all due respect, that is absolutely not true.
- deflectedPublic SafetyMr. Pierre Paul-Hus (Conservative) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). substantive question.Answer ignores the timeline question about PMO inaction and pivots to new procedures and a claim about misunderstanding laws.
with all due respect, my hon. colleague does not understand our current laws.
- misdirectedPublic SafetyMichael Chong (Conservative) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). substantive question.Answer shifts from timeline on stations to accusing Conservatives of partisan attacks instead of addressing the status.
If the Conservatives are serious about fighting foreign interference, they will stop with the partisan attacks.
- deflectedPublic SafetyMichael Chong (Conservative) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). loaded question.Answer lists existing measures but does not address replacing the minister or lack of arrests north of the border.
we are getting the job done by adding new authorities for our national security establishment
- misdirectedNews Media IndustryMr. Martin Champoux (Bloc) asked Pablo Rodriguez (Liberal). substantive question.Answer expresses sympathy then pivots to blaming Conservatives for delaying bills rather than proposing new protections.
Do they finally understand that their actions have consequences?
- deflectedNews Media IndustryMr. Martin Champoux (Bloc) asked Pablo Rodriguez (Liberal). substantive question.Answer claims openness to solutions but immediately attacks Conservatives' past positions instead of addressing the proposed fund.
When we introduced Bill C‑18 , the Conservatives, again, were against it.
- partly answeredFinancial InstitutionsMr. Luc Berthold (Conservative) asked Randy Boissonnault (Liberal). substantive question.Answer states immediate halt and review with no outcome ruled out, addressing the call to recover funds without specifying timeline.
The Canadian government will also be discussing this issue with its allies.
- partly answeredFinancial InstitutionsAndrew Scheer (Conservative) asked Randy Boissonnault (Liberal). substantive question.Answer repeats the halt and review commitment, partially responding to recovering funds without committing to repayment.
- deflectedFinancial InstitutionsAndrew Scheer (Conservative) asked Randy Boissonnault (Liberal). rhetorical question.Answer repeats prior statement on review without engaging the demand for repayment or acknowledging prior warnings.
This investigation is to be undertaken expeditiously, and no outcome will be ruled out.
- deflectedThe EconomyMrs. Anna Roberts (Conservative) asked Karina Gould (Liberal). loaded question.The answer ignores the rent and spending question entirely and pivots to attacking Conservatives on an unrelated bill.
what Canadians are sick and tired of is the Conservatives' hypocrisy that they care about affordability for Canadians.
- deflectedCarbon PricingMr. Clifford Small (Conservative) asked Steven Guilbeault (Liberal). loaded question.The answer avoids explaining the carbon tax impacts and instead highlights Conservative platform history and government investments.
I would like to remind the hon. member that the Conservative Party of Canada campaigned on a platform to implement a clean fuel standard, except that party is all words while we are all action.
- misdirectedCarbon PricingMr. Clifford Small (Conservative) asked Gudie Hutchings (Liberal). loaded question.The answer turns to listing past Liberal actions instead of addressing the carbon tax question and ends abruptly without engaging the premise.
The first thing we did was reopen the veterans affairs office that the previous government had closed.
- answeredIndigenous AffairsMr. Alistair MacGregor (NDP) asked Patty Hajdu (Liberal). substantive question.The answer directly commits to working on the school infrastructure issue while contrasting with prior government actions.
Of course I will work tirelessly to make sure that every community has a school that children can be proud of and safe to learn in.
- partly answeredForeign AffairsMr. Kevin Vuong (Independent) asked Mélanie Joly (Liberal). loaded question.The answer addresses Russian asset seizure and sanctions on Iran but does not explain why the government is opposing the PS752 families' court efforts.
When it comes to Iran, we will continue to make sure that the regime itself is held accountable.