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Wednesday, May 3, 2023 · sitting No. 190

House debates regulatory modernization bill as Poilievre presses on foreign interference

The House spent the largest share of the sitting on government orders for Bill S-6, an act respecting regulatory modernization. Liberal MP Greg Fergus said the bill would remove obsolete rules that stifle innovation while protecting health safety and the environment. Conservative MP Jeremy Patzer asked which regulation would stop subsidies to companies charged under the Canadian Environmental Protection Act.

Question period opened with Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre asking why the Prime Minister had not been informed of threats by Beijing against a member of Parliament and the member's family. Public Safety Minister Marco Mendicino said the member for Wellington—Halton Hills had received briefings and the government takes foreign interference seriously.

Later exchanges in question period saw Conservative MP Larry Brock challenge the minister on the status of Beijing-funded police stations in Montreal while Mendicino said the RCMP had taken concrete action and operates independently.

Decided that day

  • Bill S-211 passed third reading and adoption
  • Opposition motion on home ownership failed
  • Bill C-45 completed second reading

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Who held the floor · 2023-05-03

Government (Liberal)OppositionOver the day: government 28%, opposition 72% of the words spokenQuestion PeriodGovernment businessGovernment business▲ Government side held the floor▼ Opposition held the floorOpened 14:0516:0017:0018:0019:0020:0021:0022:00Last speech 23:45Time of day, Ottawa · the House sat 9 h 40 min · each dot is a stretch of debate, placed at the minute it began
61One bill passes, answers mostly dodgeThe House devoted most of its time to substantive debate and advanced two bills, including final passage of S-211 on forced labour. Question period produced almost no direct answers while an opposition motion on housing affordability was defeated.AI-rated Score out of 100; the verdict and the answer ratings behind it are a model’s reading. How the AI rates this

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Public Safety

Conservative MP Larry Brock said two Montreal groups under investigation for operating secret Chinese police stations continue to function normally with no closure requests from the RCMP. Public Safety Minister Marco Mendicino replied that the RCMP are operationally independent and have taken concrete action on such activities.

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Health

New Democrat MP Don Davies said the Minister of Health stopped officials from lowering drug prices by billions of dollars. Liberal MP Adam van Koeverden said the minister does not direct the PMPRB and must be consulted under the Patent Act before new guidelines are issued.

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Indigenous Affairs

Liberal MP Lori Idlout said the government announced three years ago it would build a mercury treatment centre for Grassy Narrows First Nation but nothing has been built. Indigenous Services Minister Patty Hajdu said the government has worked with Chief Turtle and will meet him that afternoon.

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Housing

Liberal MP Ahmed Hussen said Conservatives want to pick fights with mayors and cut funding to cities instead of working with municipalities on housing supply. He added that Conservative cuts and far-right rhetoric will not build one affordable housing unit.

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The Environment

Green Party MP Elizabeth May asked the government to support amendments to Bill S-5 that increase public participation and incorporate Indigenous knowledge. Environment Minister Steven Guilbeault said the parliamentary process was a success with 50 hours of study and over 80 witnesses and it is time to pass the bill as reported.

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Question Period, exchange by exchange

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  1. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). substantive question.The answer discusses briefings given but does not address whether the Prime Minister was informed.As soon as we were informed of the matter concerning the member for Wellington—Halton Hills , we contacted him and offered him a briefing.
  2. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). loaded question.The answer repeats the briefing point and avoids choosing between incompetent or dishonest.the member for Wellington—Halton Hills was briefed by CSIS yesterday, and it was not the first briefing he received.
  3. misdirected
    Democratic InstitutionsPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). substantive question.The answer attacks the questioner's rhetoric instead of addressing the Prime Minister's knowledge.does the member opposite really think that by exaggerating his rhetoric and lobbing attacks at the government, he is doing any service to the member for Wellington—Halton Hills ?
  4. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). loaded question.The answer again emphasizes briefings and instructions to CSIS without addressing the Prime Minister's awareness.We have issued fresh instructions to CSIS on this point, so that we can protect the people and the families that work in this space, as well as our democratic institutions.
  5. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). substantive question.The answer claims the question invents laws and pivots to new legislation instead of explaining why the agent remains.I am afraid the Conservative leader is inventing the laws around diplomatic immunity.
  6. partly answered
    Democratic InstitutionsMr. Yves-François Blanchet (Bloc) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). loaded question.The answer addresses the appointment of Johnston but not the question of whether the named individuals are above reproach.the government appointed Mr. Johnston, a distinguished Canadian, as a national security adviser.
  7. misdirected
    Democratic InstitutionsMr. Yves-François Blanchet (Bloc) asked Mark Holland (Liberal). substantive question.The answer attacks the questioner for raising the issue and redirects to the foundation itself.I think it is entirely irresponsible to attack an independent foundation.
  8. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsMr. Jagmeet Singh (NDP) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). substantive question.The answer cites classification rules and repeats the briefing without stating when the minister was informed.We rely on the advice of our independent, non-partisan public servants to guide us in decisions about disclosing information.
  9. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsMr. Jagmeet Singh (NDP) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). substantive question.The answer discusses general support and CSIS powers without addressing whether other MPs face similar threats.That is why the government, since day one, has been giving additional powers to CSIS to address concerns about foreign interference.
  10. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsMichael Chong (Conservative) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). substantive question.The answer cites the Security of Information Act and personal briefings but does not confirm or deny if the assessment reached the PM.It is important that we navigate this very carefully because when we talk about matters that relate to national security, it is people's lives that are at stake
  11. misdirected
    Democratic InstitutionsMichael Chong (Conservative) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). substantive question.The answer turns to the member's personal briefings instead of reconciling the conflicting accounts from officials.I would hope that the member opposite would be able to reconcile that with his own personal experience, which was that, within the last 24 hours, he not only received a briefing
  12. misdirected
    Democratic InstitutionsMr. Michael Barrett (Conservative) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). loaded question.The answer attacks the question as absurd and pivots to unity rather than addressing whether CSIS briefed the PM before the media.those types of absurd suggestions do not advance this debate, neither does the suggestion that we do not care about the members opposite or their safety and security.
  13. partly answered
    Democratic InstitutionsMr. Michael Barrett (Conservative) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). substantive question.The answer states action was taken once aware but does not specify when the minister's office first learned of the threats.we have been very clear that, as soon as we became aware of this specific issue regarding the member for Wellington—Halton Hills , we took decisive action.
  14. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsMr. Luc Berthold (Conservative) asked Robert Oliphant (Liberal). loaded question.The answer calls the premise false and restates Vienna Convention policy without addressing why the diplomat was not expelled.Our government has repeatedly stated that we follow the Vienna Convention.
  15. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsMr. Luc Berthold (Conservative) asked Robert Oliphant (Liberal). loaded question.The answer urges dialing down rhetoric and emphasizes due process without answering when or if expulsion will occur.let us dial down the rhetoric on this a little bit.
  16. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsMr. René Villemure (Bloc) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). substantive question.The answer highlights briefings and new powers but does not address or offer an apology to the member.That is why we offered the member for Wellington—Halton Hills a briefing.
  17. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsMr. René Villemure (Bloc) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). substantive question.The answer discusses general actions against foreign interference without addressing the specific questions about other MPs.The short answer is that the government will continue to take concrete action in the fight against foreign interference with resources, new powers, consultations and commitments to all Canadians, including new registries, for example.
  18. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsMr. Michael Cooper (Conservative) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). substantive question.The answer addresses protecting institutions and budget measures but avoids providing the requested date.As he knows, we have set up independent panels, including with protocols, to make sure that we inform Canadians when there are threats, but also making sure that we are vigilant about the threats that occur today, which is why in budget 2023, there is $49 million for the law enforcement community to protect Canadians from foreign interference.
  19. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsMr. Michael Cooper (Conservative) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). substantive question.The answer defends the government's concern and actions taken but does not provide the date requested.That is why we took decisive, concrete action to ensure that he was provided with a briefing yesterday.
  20. partly answered
    Democratic InstitutionsMr. Gérard Deltell (Conservative) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). substantive question.The answer indicates options remain on the table without explaining the delay in expulsion.as you heard, my colleague, the Parliamentary Secretary for Global Affairs informed this chamber that we will leave all options on the table for any agents who may be engaging in conduct which goes beyond—
  21. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsMr. Gérard Deltell (Conservative) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). substantive question.The answer highlights support and new powers but avoids addressing when or why expulsion has not occurred.That is why we supported the opposition member who works for the community of Wellington—Halton Hills
  22. partly answered
    Indigenous AffairsMs. Lori Idlout (NDP) asked Patty Hajdu (Liberal). loaded question.The answer acknowledges the tragedy and ongoing work but does not explain the three-year delay.That is why this government has worked with Grassy Narrows and Chief Turtle to build a recovery centre, but we have to do more to prevent these kinds of tragedies in the future.
  23. deflected
    HealthMr. Don Davies (NDP) asked Mr. Adam van Koeverden (Liberal). loaded question.The answer explains the minister's limited role and consultation process but does not address prioritizing pharma profits.The minister does not provide direction to the PMPRB and, as stated in section 96(5) of the Patent Act, the PMPRB must consult with various parties, which include the minister, before issuing any new guidelines.
  24. misdirected
    Public SafetyMr. Larry Brock (Conservative) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). loaded question.The answer attacks the question's quality and emphasizes RCMP independence rather than addressing the claim of misleading or lack of closure.with respect, it is the quality of that question that betrays the member opposite's understanding of what we do in elected government and what our police agencies do, which is operationally independent.
  25. misdirected
    Public SafetyMr. Larry Brock (Conservative) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). loaded question.The answer attacks the questioner's understanding of principles rather than addressing station closures.It is quite shocking to me that at this stage in the member opposite's career he does not understand that important democratic principle.
  26. deflected
    Public SafetyMr. Pierre Paul-Hus (Conservative) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). loaded question.The answer points to RCMP updates and investments without confirming or denying the minister's prior statement.With the help of our government's investments, it will remain vigilant on this issue.
  27. deflected
    Public SafetyMr. Pierre Paul-Hus (Conservative) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). substantive question.The answer avoids a yes-or-no response on station status and pivots to budget support instead.I hope that the Conservatives will support this budget.
  28. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsMs. Christine Normandin (Bloc) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). loaded question.The answer praises the rapporteur's credentials but does not address the call for an independent inquiry.the reason we have confidence in Mr. Johnston is that he is an individual with a remarkable track record.
  29. misdirected
    Democratic InstitutionsMr. Rhéal Éloi Fortin (Bloc) asked François-Philippe Champagne (Liberal). substantive question.The answer dismisses the question by contrasting it with unrelated priorities like affordability.While Quebeckers and Canadians are concerned about affordability, health care, dental care, building the economy of tomorrow and talking about investments, the Bloc Québécois is talking to us about the monarchy.
  30. misdirected
    Democratic InstitutionsKerry-Lynne Findlay (Conservative) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). loaded question.The answer blames the opposition's past record instead of addressing current government knowledge of threats.It was the Conservatives who were asleep at the switch, respectfully.
  31. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsAndrew Scheer (Conservative) asked Robert Oliphant (Liberal). substantive question.The answer acknowledges the issue but does not explain why the agent remains in Canada.We are also very aware of the Vienna Convention.
  32. misdirected
    Democratic InstitutionsAndrew Scheer (Conservative) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). loaded question.The answer attacks the Conservatives' record rather than explaining inaction on the agent.They brag about their record when it comes to national security.
  33. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Mark Holland (Liberal). rhetorical question.The answer sidesteps the PM's knowledge or responsibility by labeling the query partisan and redirecting to the foundation.It is irresponsible to engage in such partisan attacks against a non-profit organization.
  34. misdirected
    Democratic InstitutionsPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). substantive question.The answer attacks the opposition's past record and rhetoric instead of addressing the PM's responsibility for the specific incident.despite all of the chicanery, despite all the lobbing of insults, despite all of the distraction, and despite their incompetence of 10 years
  35. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). substantive question.The answer criticizes the questioner for politicizing the issue rather than committing to specific protective actions.who, for weeks and months, has been trying to politicize an issue that touches not only all members in this chamber, but all Canadians.
  36. answered
    Disaster AssistanceMr. Alexandre Boulerice (NDP) asked Bill Blair (Liberal). substantive question.The answer directly addresses the request for federal aid by confirming deployed resources and offered support to Quebec.I have reached out to Mr. Bonnardel of the Quebec government to offer all federal support as required
  37. deflected
    The EnvironmentMs. Elizabeth May (Green) asked Steven Guilbeault (Liberal). substantive question.The answer endorses passing the bill unchanged and ignores the call to support the specific amendments on public participation and indigenous knowledge.It is now time to pass the bill as reported by the environment committee and send it back to the Senate.