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Tuesday, January 31, 2023 · sitting No. 150
Commons debates child care bill as Poilievre attacks McKinsey contracts
The House spent most of the sitting debating Bill C-35, the Canada Early Learning and Child Care Act, at second reading. Conservative MP Tracy Gray said the legislation excludes home-based and for-profit providers and will gridlock existing systems. Bloc Québécois MP Monique Pauzé cited Quebec's 25-year record of reducing single-parent welfare use, while NDP MP Niki Ashton defended the bill against Conservative criticism.
In Question Period, Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre asked five times how much McKinsey received in total contracts and said the firm obtained more than $100 million for work of little value. Minister of Public Services and Procurement Pascale St-Onge and Minister of Health Mark Holland replied that the government had reduced poverty by 56 per cent and created 1.5 million jobs since 2015.
Other exchanges covered provincial use of the notwithstanding clause, long-term care standards and health transfers. Conservative MP Pierre Paul-Hus said Bill C-5 enabled a suspended sentence for a violent sexual assault, while Justice Minister David Lametti declined to comment on the specific case.
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Public Services and Procurement
Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre said the government spent $15 billion on consultants and asked how much McKinsey received after public servants judged its work of little value.
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Bloc Québécois Leader Yves-François Blanchet said the notwithstanding clause can only be used pre-emptively and asked whether the government disavows Pierre Elliott Trudeau's legacy.
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NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh said the Prime Minister promised action after the Canadian Armed Forces reported horrific conditions in long-term care homes two years ago and asked when standards would be legislated.
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NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh said Liberals are allowing Doug Ford and Danielle Smith to use federal funds to privatize health care and asked if the Prime Minister needs the link to his own party's website.
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Conservative MP Dane Lloyd said police are demanding action against repeat offenders while the government targets law-abiding owners with its hunting rifle ban.
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Conservative MP Mel Arnold said Bill C-291 replaces the term child pornography with child sexual abuse and exploitation material to reflect the seriousness of the offences.
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- deflectedPublic Services and ProcurementPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Pascale St-Onge (Liberal). loaded question.Answer avoids the specific total spent on McKinsey by pivoting to pandemic supports and general economic responsibility.
We dealt with the pandemic. We were there for people and we are proud of that.
- misdirectedPublic Services and ProcurementPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Mark Holland (Liberal). loaded question.Answer ignores the McKinsey spending query and instead attacks the opposition's past record on poverty.
I remember my time in opposition looking at the member opposite, who sat in a government that had a poverty rate of 14.5%.
- deflectedPublic Services and ProcurementPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Mark Holland (Liberal). loaded question.Answer sidesteps the McKinsey total by criticizing opposition tactics and listing blocked social supports instead.
Every time we put concrete solutions in place, the party opposite has obfuscated.
- misdirectedHousingPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Mark Holland (Liberal). loaded question.Answer turns to attacking Conservatives' past poverty record and blocking of bills rather than addressing housing policy responsibility.
the member opposite had an opportunity to be in government and do something on poverty.
- misdirectedThe EconomyPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Mark Holland (Liberal). loaded question.Answer deflects by mocking the member's inflation suggestion and contrasting past GDP records instead of fixing current affordability issues.
when the member opposite had the opportunity to suggest, as an example, how people could deal with inflation, he recommended cryptocurrency.
- partly answeredJusticeMr. Yves-François Blanchet (Bloc) asked David Lametti (Liberal). substantive question.Answer directly addresses the pre-emptive use concern and states the government's position on Charter dialogue.
our government has always been clear about its concerns regarding the pre-emptive use of the notwithstanding clause by the provinces and about the fact that we are weighing all of our options.
- deflectedJusticeMr. Yves-François Blanchet (Bloc) asked David Lametti (Liberal). loaded question.Answer avoids disavowing Trudeau's legacy by restating general Charter principles without engaging the specific question on Quebec authority.
We are proud of Canada's traditions when it comes to charters and protecting minorities.
- answeredSeniorsMr. Jagmeet Singh (NDP) asked Kamal Khera (Liberal). substantive question.Answer directly states the new standards released and funding provided in response to the call for legislative action.
That is why we welcomed the new standards released today by the Health Standards Organization and Canadian Standards Association, which are the result of extensive consultations across the country.
- deflectedHealthMr. Jagmeet Singh (NDP) asked Jean-Yves Duclos (Liberal). loaded question.Answer affirms public system principles but ignores the privatization accusation and sarcastic website link query.
I am very grateful for that question.
- misdirectedGovernment PrioritiesMr. Jasraj Singh Hallan (Conservative) asked Carla Qualtrough (Liberal). loaded question.Answer pivots to disability bill instead of addressing crony contracts, spending, or cost of living.
We are about to embark on a third reading of Bill C-22
- misdirectedGovernment PrioritiesMr. Jasraj Singh Hallan (Conservative) asked Sean Fraser (Liberal). loaded question.Answer attacks Conservative leader's past stance rather than defending spending or inflation impacts.
At the beginning of the pandemic, the Conservative leader held a press conference to say he would never support those big, fat government programs.
- deflectedGovernment PrioritiesMs. Melissa Lantsman (Conservative) asked Sean Fraser (Liberal). loaded question.Answer lists past Conservative votes against measures but avoids consultant spending and inflation questions.
What we are focused on doing in the meantime is advancing solutions that will put more money in the pockets of low-income renters, which the Conservatives voted against
- deflectedThe EconomyMs. Melissa Lantsman (Conservative) asked Steven Guilbeault (Liberal). loaded question.Answer shifts to climate costs instead of addressing debt, carbon tax, or consultant spending.
They never talk about these costs to Canadians.
- deflectedPublic Services and ProcurementMr. Luc Berthold (Conservative) asked Ms. Rachel Bendayan (Liberal). loaded question.Answer criticizes Conservative votes but does not address McKinsey contracts or food bank desperation.
What I do not understand is why the Conservatives keep voting against measures that will help those Quebeckers and Canadians across the country.
- deflectedPublic Services and ProcurementMr. Luc Berthold (Conservative) asked Pascale St-Onge (Liberal). loaded question.Answer attacks Conservative solutions instead of explaining the McKinsey contract length or competence.
We know what the Conservatives' solutions are, because we have seen them in the past.
- partly answeredPublic Services and ProcurementMrs. Julie Vignola (Bloc) asked Mona Fortier (Liberal). substantive question.Answer clarifies the arrangement type and standards but does not address the 2100 timeline or lack of tenders.
It is not a contract. It is more of a procurement arrangement.
- misdirectedPublic Services and ProcurementMr. Jean-Denis Garon (Bloc) asked Pablo Rodriguez (Liberal). rhetorical question.The answer attacks the Bloc Québécois and discusses national unity rather than addressing the McKinsey contract issue.
it will certainly not be the Bloc Québécois, which is once again trying to stir up trouble and sow division.
- deflectedPublic Services and ProcurementMr. Jean-Denis Garon (Bloc) asked Mona Fortier (Liberal). substantive question.The response praises public servants during the pandemic without addressing the long-term McKinsey contract or internal expertise development.
We will continue to work with the public service and deliver on our priorities for Canadians, workers and businesses.
- partly answeredPublic Services and ProcurementMr. Garnett Genuis (Conservative) asked Helena Jaczek (Liberal). loaded question.It addresses the standards for contracts but avoids the specific allegations about Dominic Barton.
We only contract and procure professional services to complement our professional public services when there are unexpected workload fluctuations and when there is a need for specific expertise.
- deflectedPublic Services and ProcurementMr. Garnett Genuis (Conservative) asked Mark Holland (Liberal). loaded question.The answer emphasizes contract quality and value but sidesteps the specific question about funding McKinsey.
The questions that are being posed are fair. We will get an opportunity in committee to be exhaustive and get answers.
- misdirectedPublic Services and ProcurementMrs. Kelly Block (Conservative) asked Mark Holland (Liberal). loaded question.The response criticizes the previous Conservative government's economic record rather than addressing the McKinsey contracts.
when the members opposite, the Conservatives, were in power, the economy had 1.5 million less jobs; there were over a million and a half more people in poverty;
- deflectedPublic Services and ProcurementMrs. Stephanie Kusie (Conservative) asked Sean Fraser (Liberal). loaded question.It shifts to discussing government investments and accuses Conservatives of wanting problems to continue, avoiding the McKinsey question.
I am beginning to believe that the Conservatives actually view it to be in their interest to continue to have Canadians experience problems because they never introduce solutions.
- deflectedPublic Services and ProcurementMr. Matthew Green (NDP) asked Mark Holland (Liberal). substantive question.The answer defends the contracting process and suggests committee discussions but does not commit to reviewing all outsourcing contracts.
If members want to have real answers, then there will be the opportunity for mature, reasonable discussions during that period of time.
- answeredForeign AffairsMs. Heather McPherson (NDP) asked Mélanie Joly (Liberal). substantive question.The response directly addresses the enforcement of sanctions by mentioning new legislation to seize and forfeit assets.
We want to make sure that now we implement new legislation that we have passed, which will allow us to not only seize assets but to forfeit them.
- deflectedEthicsMr. Michael Barrett (Conservative) asked Mark Holland (Liberal). loaded question.Answer dismisses the premise as ludicrous and pivots to historical comparisons instead of addressing ethics allegations.
The notion, as Canadians are facing anxiety and as they are looking at global tumult, that they should think they are in the worst position they have ever been is simply irresponsible.
- misdirectedEthicsMr. Michael Barrett (Conservative) asked Mark Holland (Liberal). loaded question.Answer attacks the questioner's language and past record rather than responding to specific corruption claims.
I would ask that we all watch the language we use, and I would be interested to see if the member opposite would use a term like that outside the chamber.
- deflectedHealthMichelle Rempel Garner (Conservative) asked Jean-Yves Duclos (Liberal). substantive question.Answer addresses COVID context and quarantine value but ignores the specific questions on hotel spending and firings.
Because of these measures, and vaccinations in addition, we have saved together tens of thousands of lives and tens of billions of dollars in economic costs.
- deflectedEthicsMrs. Shelby Kramp-Neuman (Conservative) asked Mark Holland (Liberal). loaded question.Answer counters the premise by listing Liberal programs and ignores the contract repayment demand.
What would they say to Canadians who for the first time are having universal child care, are seeing their costs cut in half and that it is going to be $10 a day?
- partly answeredHealthMr. Mario Simard (Bloc) asked Jean-Yves Duclos (Liberal). substantive question.Answer acknowledges the meeting and shared goals but does not commit to the 35% transfer demand.
What all of the health ministers in Canada, including myself, are committed to is continuing to work together to look after the health of people and the health of workers in Canada.
- partly answeredHealthMr. Luc Thériault (Bloc) asked Dominic LeBlanc (Liberal). substantive question.Answer notes ongoing talks and conditions for funding but avoids a direct timeline or agreement pledge.
We have consistently said we are prepared to provide more financial support to the provinces if we have assurances that we will get the results Canadians expect.
- partly answeredJusticeMr. Pierre Paul-Hus (Conservative) asked David Lametti (Liberal). loaded question.Answer affirms victim support and notes appeal possibility but declines to address Bill C-5 directly.
My colleague knows full well that I cannot comment on a specific case, especially since the Quebec Court decision could be appealed by Quebec's director of criminal and penal prosecutions, the DPCP.
- deflectedJusticeMr. Pierre Paul-Hus (Conservative) asked David Lametti (Liberal). loaded question.Answer rejects the premise as wrong and lists unrelated bills instead of addressing conditional sentencing for sexual assault.
Our government has taken action on several fronts to support victims of sexual assault and to ensure they are treated with dignity and respect.
- deflectedFirearmsMr. Jacques Gourde (Conservative) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). loaded question.The answer promotes the government's plan without addressing the timing of stopping targeting hunters.
Our plan includes investing nearly half a billion dollars to stop illegal smuggling at the border, addressing the root causes of gun crime through the building safer communities fund, and introducing legislation that promotes the responsible use of firearms, specifically Bill C-21 .
- partly answeredJusticeMr. Dane Lloyd (Conservative) asked David Lametti (Liberal). loaded question.The response discusses bail laws and openness to reforms but avoids apologizing or accepting blame.
We remain open to good ideas and proposals from our provincial and territorial counterparts and the opposition to reforming our bail system, including other parts of the criminal justice regime.
- misdirectedFirearmsMr. Dane Lloyd (Conservative) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). loaded question.The answer attacks the Conservatives' voting record instead of addressing protection from repeat offenders.
What did the Conservatives do? They voted against it.
- partly answeredForeign AffairsMichael Chong (Conservative) asked Mélanie Joly (Liberal). substantive question.Addresses national security concerns but does not commit to or specify a ban on partnerships.
That is why the Minister of Innovation is working on it.
- partly answeredIndigenous AffairsMr. Charlie Angus (NDP) asked Mr. Vance Badawey (Liberal). substantive question.Expresses condolences and mentions coordinating supports without committing to building a fire hall.
Minister Hajdu spoke with Chief Hunter on Sunday to express her condolences and confirmed that Indigenous Services would be able to coordinate supports for this particular community.
- answeredTaxationMs. Niki Ashton (NDP) asked Mr. Terry Beech (Liberal). rhetorical question.The answer details specific tax measures implemented to ensure fair share.
That is why we decreased taxes for the middle class by increasing them for the top 1%.