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Friday, October 19, 2018 · sitting No. 338

Commons advances prison reform bill amid questions on Norman prosecution

The House spent the largest share of its sitting on Government Orders debating Bill C-83, which would replace solitary confinement with structured intervention units. Liberal MP Yvonne Jones said the legislation responds to two Truth and Reconciliation Commission calls to action and rests on extensive consultation. Conservative MP Kelly McCauley questioned whether the government had costed the changes, citing planned funding reductions in Correctional Service Canada's departmental plan.

In Question Period, Conservative MP Candice Bergen pressed the government on how the Prime Minister knew charges would be laid against Vice-Admiral Mark Norman nearly a year before they were filed. Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale said the matter is before the courts and that House rules bar comment while proceedings continue.

New Democrat MP Jenny Kwan asked Canadian Heritage Minister Pablo Rodriguez to apologize for stating there is no systemic racism in Canada, citing the roots of colonization. Rodriguez replied that systemic racism, oppression and discrimination continue to affect many Canadians and that the government is holding cross-country consultations on a new anti-racism strategy.

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Who held the floor · 2018-10-19

Government (Liberal)OppositionOver the day: government 52%, opposition 48% of the words spokenGovernment businessQuestion PeriodGovernment business▲ Government side held the floor▼ Opposition held the floorOpened 10:0011:0012:00Last speech 13:05Time of day, Ottawa · the House sat 3 h 5 min · each dot is a stretch of debate, placed at the minute it began
31Another sitting that went nowhereThe House spent most of its time debating the Corrections and Conditional Release Act and justice matters, yet no bills advanced and no votes were recorded. Question period produced few direct answers amid many deflected responses.AI-rated Score out of 100; the verdict and the answer ratings behind it are a model’s reading. How the AI rates this

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Other moments

Dairy Industry

Conservative MP Luc Berthold said the new USMCA will flood Canadian markets with American milk and leave producers without compensation, while Liberal MP Jean-Claude Poissant replied that the government defended supply management and will provide fair compensation.

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Border Security

Conservative MP Pierre Paul-Hus listed monthly illegal crossing totals and asked for a plan; Public Safety Minister Bill Blair said numbers have fallen 70 per cent since last summer through work with international partners and federal agencies.

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The Environment

New Democrat MP Alexandre Boulerice asked why the government continues to subsidize oil companies and buy a pipeline when the IPCC calls for fundamental change; Environment Minister Catherine McKenna said a price on pollution is in place and greenhouse-gas emissions have dropped while jobs have risen.

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Animal Welfare

Liberal MP Francis Scarpaleggia asked Justice Minister Jody Wilson-Raybould for an update on animal-cruelty gaps in the Criminal Code; she replied that Bill C-84, introduced the previous day, toughens laws on bestiality and animal fighting.

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Pensions

Bloc Québécois MP Marilène Gill said the government has done nothing to protect workers' pensions after the Sears and Cliffs bankruptcies; Justice Minister David Lametti said budget consultations are under way to strengthen retirement security.

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Question Period, exchange by exchange

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  1. deflected
    JusticeCandice Bergen (Conservative) asked Ralph Goodale (Liberal). loaded question.The answer cites court rules to avoid addressing how the PM knew about charges in advance.It is in the hands of the Public Prosecution Service on the Crown side.
  2. deflected
    JusticeCandice Bergen (Conservative) asked Ralph Goodale (Liberal). loaded question.The answer invokes House rules on sub judice matters instead of addressing the alleged cover-up or announcements.Those rules make it very clear that during the course of a criminal proceeding, it is inappropriate to either ask or answer questions in the House of Commons.
  3. deflected
    JusticeCandice Bergen (Conservative) asked Ralph Goodale (Liberal). substantive question.The answer refuses to discuss details by pointing to court proceedings and House rules rather than confirming any meeting.the appropriate place to pursue the details of a criminal proceeding is in a court of law.
  4. deflected
    JusticeMr. Gérard Deltell (Conservative) asked Ralph Goodale (Liberal). substantive question.The answer redirects to prosecutors and defence counsel instead of confirming whether ministers met Irving representatives.None of the members opposite have that role, and the rules of the House of Commons say that one should leave the work of the prosecution to the prosecutor
  5. misdirected
    JusticeMr. Gérard Deltell (Conservative) asked Ralph Goodale (Liberal). loaded question.The answer attacks the questioner for exposing a supposed subterfuge and quotes a former MP instead of clarifying any link.in the question just asked, the hon. member has exposed his own subterfuge.
  6. partly answered
    The EnvironmentMr. Alexandre Boulerice (NDP) asked Catherine McKenna (Liberal). substantive question.The answer addresses the government's climate plan and pipeline purchase but does not explain why subsidies continue despite the IPCC report.we have a plan for fighting climate change and growing the economy.
  7. partly answered
    The EnvironmentMr. Alexandre Boulerice (NDP) asked Catherine McKenna (Liberal). loaded question.The answer defends the climate record and jobs but does not address the pipeline purchase or alleged inaction.since we have been in government, greenhouse gas emissions have dropped and jobs are on the rise.
  8. answered
    MulticulturalismMs. Jenny Kwan (NDP) asked Pablo Rodriguez (Liberal). loaded question.The answer directly acknowledges systemic racism and discrimination despite the loaded premise of the question.Throughout history, and even today, there are people in communities who experience systemic racism, oppression and discrimination
  9. deflected
    MulticulturalismMs. Jenny Kwan (NDP) asked Pablo Rodriguez (Liberal). loaded question.The answer discusses ongoing consultations but never addresses whether the minister read the report or the claim of no systemic racism.This is exactly why we are conducting meetings across the country.
  10. deflected
    Public Services and ProcurementErin O'Toole (Conservative) asked Ralph Goodale (Liberal). substantive question.The answer cites legal proceedings and House rules instead of confirming any conversation with Irving.not only are ministers prevented from commenting on those proceedings, that prohibition also applies to the opposition.
  11. deflected
    Public Services and ProcurementErin O'Toole (Conservative) asked Ralph Goodale (Liberal). substantive question.The answer again invokes sub judice rules and pivots to the lobbyist registry rather than naming any caucus members.the hon. gentleman is trying to prosecute a legal proceeding on the floor of the House of Commons.
  12. deflected
    JusticeMr. Richard Martel (Conservative) asked Ralph Goodale (Liberal). loaded question.The answer quotes table officers on sub judice matters and warns of jeopardizing proceedings instead of addressing evidence release.By pursuing the line of questioning, the opposition is potentially jeopardizing a legitimate legal procedure.
  13. deflected
    JusticeMr. Richard Martel (Conservative) asked Ralph Goodale (Liberal). loaded question.The answer praises the judicial system but offers no response on releasing evidence for the defence.Canadians can trust that system properly administered to deliver justice and to make sure that justice is also seen to be done.
  14. deflected
    JusticeMr. John Brassard (Conservative) asked Ralph Goodale (Liberal). loaded question.The answer quotes a former Conservative minister on sub judice rules rather than addressing the request for evidence.It is deemed improper for a Member, in posing a question, or a Minister in responding to a question, to comment on any matter that is sub judice
  15. deflected
    JusticeMr. John Brassard (Conservative) asked Ralph Goodale (Liberal). loaded question.The answer again cites sub judice rules and refuses to engage with the question about evidence or cover-up.that line of questioning is inappropriate and ministers are prevented from responding to those questions for fear of prejudicing the matter before the courts.
  16. deflected
    Natural ResourcesMr. François Choquette (NDP) asked Mr. Paul Lefebvre (Liberal). loaded question.The answer pivots to renewable-energy spending and NDP platform comparisons instead of committing on Energy East.I would like to take this opportunity to talk to the NDP about our platform on renewable energy and our investments in green energy.
  17. partly answered
    AsbestosMs. Linda Duncan (NDP) asked Catherine McKenna (Liberal). loaded question.The answer defends the ban and notes limited exceptions but does not address Quebec health authorities' concerns or the claim of listening to the asbestos lobby.In very exceptional circumstances, there are exceptions. Those exceptions are time-limited. There is a reporting requirement, and there is no impact on human health.
  18. deflected
    Indigenous AffairsMrs. Cathy McLeod (Conservative) asked Ms. Yvonne Jones (Liberal). substantive question.The answer restates general commitment to consultation and food security without addressing the Inuit organizations' withdrawal or the tokenism allegation.We want to work meaningfully with all parties, including Inuit, first nations, Métis and northerners, on food security.
  19. deflected
    Indigenous AffairsMrs. Cathy McLeod (Conservative) asked Ms. Yvonne Jones (Liberal). substantive question.The answer emphasizes ongoing engagement and visits but avoids the specific quote about moving forward without Inuit input or the disrespect claim.The minister himself visited all three territories. In the last few weeks, he met with premiers and leaders of government and organizations about this extremely important imitative and the changes we are about to implement.
  20. deflected
    TelecommunicationsMr. Dan Albas (Conservative) asked Mr. David Lametti (Liberal). loaded question.The answer highlights past investments but does not address the halved target or why Canadians do not deserve the original 50 MB speed.The program has a variety of different projects in every region of the country to increase the access Canadians have to good-quality high-speed Internet access.
  21. deflected
    TelecommunicationsMr. Dan Albas (Conservative) asked Mr. David Lametti (Liberal). substantive question.The answer affirms reliance on experts and national security but does not address the practicality of inspecting Huawei equipment or the call to ban it like allies.we will rely on the opinions of our public security experts. We will rely on our experts when we look at who gets to participate in those 5G networks.
  22. partly answered
    HealthMs. Brigitte Sansoucy (NDP) asked Mr. John Oliver (Liberal). substantive question.The answer notes action taken and future regulations but does not specify a timeline or directly respond to ending consultations immediately.We have tabled a response to its recommendations and will be introducing regulations in the near future to ensure that tragedies such as this never occur again.
  23. misdirected
    Immigration, Refugees and CitizenshipMr. Wayne Stetski (NDP) asked Mr. Matt DeCourcey (Liberal). substantive question.The answer discusses general immigration success and Syrian refugees but ignores the specific case of travel distance and provincial office restrictions.I remind the member opposite that under this government, we saw a historic effort to resettle 56,000 Syrian refugees in this country.
  24. deflected
    Natural ResourcesMrs. Shannon Stubbs (Conservative) asked Catherine McKenna (Liberal). loaded question.The answer defends the new process and indigenous involvement but does not address the specific criticisms from the Indian Resource Council or premiers on Bill C-69.I worked very hard with indigenous people. In fact, we had a working group that included representatives from indigenous organizations throughout the whole process.
  25. deflected
    Natural ResourcesMrs. Shannon Stubbs (Conservative) asked Catherine McKenna (Liberal). loaded question.The answer attacks the opposition's record instead of addressing the demand to scrap Bill C-69.
  26. misdirected
    Natural ResourcesMr. Dane Lloyd (Conservative) asked Mr. Paul Lefebvre (Liberal). loaded question.The answer attacks the prior government and refuses to engage with the question on Bill C-69.We will take no lessons from the previous government.
  27. deflected
    Natural ResourcesMr. Ron Liepert (Conservative) asked Catherine McKenna (Liberal). loaded question.The answer defends the bill and process without answering whether it will be killed.I will stand up today and explain why we need Bill C-69 , and why we need to rebuild trust and environmental assessments.
  28. answered
    Canada Post CorporationMs. Irene Mathyssen (NDP) asked Patty Hajdu (Liberal). substantive question.The answer directly states the government's position on collective bargaining and mediation.we have said all along that this is a government that firmly believes in the value of collective bargaining.
  29. answered
    Parliamentary Protective ServiceMs. Marjolaine Boutin-Sweet (NDP) asked Ralph Goodale (Liberal). substantive question.The answer directly notes the jurisdictional limit on amending the act.the matter referred to by the hon. member is under the jurisdiction of the House and not under the jurisdiction of the government.
  30. partly answered
    Border SecurityMr. Pierre Paul-Hus (Conservative) asked Bill Blair (Liberal). substantive question.The answer outlines some actions but does not detail a comprehensive plan for illegal crossings.I want to assure the member opposite that the government does in fact have a plan.
  31. partly answered
    Border SecurityMr. Ziad Aboultaif (Conservative) asked Bill Blair (Liberal). substantive question.The answer addresses reductions in crossings and legal obligations but avoids specific cost projections.we have seen tremendous success in reducing the number of people who have been presenting themselves at our border.
  32. misdirected
    Public Services and ProcurementMr. Tom Kmiec (Conservative) asked Mr. Steven MacKinnon (Liberal). substantive question.The answer shifts to demanding an apology from the opposition rather than addressing the specific case.perhaps he should survey the front bench of his parliamentary group here to find an apology to the public servants of Canada
  33. deflected
    Dairy IndustryMr. Luc Berthold (Conservative) asked Mr. Jean-Claude Poissant (Liberal). loaded question.The answer defends the government's record and promises compensation without addressing the specific claims about the US deal flooding markets or failing to defend farmers.we defended our supply management system against the Americans' aggressive attempts at dismantling it.
  34. misdirected
    JusticeMr. Martin Shields (Conservative) asked Ralph Goodale (Liberal). loaded question.The answer avoids the justice question by noting possible provincial jurisdiction and blaming a Conservative private member's bill for the parole rules.The rules with respect to day parole that apply at the present time were in fact implemented through a legal framework under a private member's bill that was proposed by a member of the Conservative Party.
  35. partly answered
    HealthMs. Monique Pauzé (Bloc) asked Mr. John Oliver (Liberal). substantive question.The answer describes ongoing reviews and international work but does not address whether the government will ban neonicotinoids by year's end.Health Canada is working with the United States Environmental Protection Agency and scientists from around the world to ensure that there are no long-term impacts from neonics on bees.
  36. deflected
    PensionsMrs. Marilène Gill (Bloc) asked Mr. David Lametti (Liberal). loaded question.The answer discusses general consultations and a balanced approach without committing to support the bill or immediately protect pensions.We are currently consulting stakeholders across Canada to find a fair solution for our country's retirees.