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Thursday, October 18, 2018 · sitting No. 337
House opens debate on bill to replace solitary confinement
Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale moved second reading of Bill C-83, which would replace administrative segregation with structured intervention units and add independent oversight. The bill consumed half the sitting as members from all parties weighed its provisions during extended debate.
In question period, Conservative justice critic Candice Bergen pressed the government on whether cabinet recordings related to the Mark Norman case had been preserved. Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale declined to comment on matters before the courts.
New Democrat Guy Caron urged the government to expunge rather than merely pardon records for simple cannabis possession. Goodale said the administration is advancing a no-fee, no-wait pardon process instead.
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Who held the floor · 2018-10-18
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Foreign Affairs
Hélène Laverdière asked whether Ottawa would apply the Magnitsky law once those responsible for Jamal Khashoggi's death are identified. Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland said Canada supports a thorough investigation and will work with G7 partners.
Read the exchangeCriminal Code
Robert-Falcon Ouellette introduced Bill S-215 on sentencing for violent offences against Indigenous women and noted thousands of men fasting in Ottawa to support the campaign. Todd Doherty also rose to recognize the initiative.
Read the exchangeSmall Business
Gord Johns pressed the government to cap interchange fees at 1 per cent. Small Business Minister Mary Ng said the voluntary agreement with card companies will save small firms about $7,500 a year.
Read the exchangeAsbestos
Sheri Benson criticized new rules as too weak. Environment Minister Catherine McKenna said the full ban on asbestos will take effect by December 31.
Read the exchangeInfrastructure
Peter Fragiskatos asked for an update on the new crossing. Infrastructure Minister François-Philippe Champagne confirmed that construction has begun on the Gordie Howe International Bridge.
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- deflectedJusticeCandice Bergen (Conservative) asked Ralph Goodale (Liberal). loaded question.Answer cites convention to avoid addressing release of evidence or implication of hiding.
the government does not comment or speculate on matters that are related to ongoing criminal trials.
- deflectedJusticeCandice Bergen (Conservative) asked Ralph Goodale (Liberal). loaded question.Answer quotes procedure instead of addressing destruction of records.
Members are expected to refrain from discussing matters actively before the courts or under judicial consideration in order to guard those involved in a court action or judicial inquiry from any undue influence.
- partly answeredJusticeCandice Bergen (Conservative) asked Ralph Goodale (Liberal). loaded question.Answer gives general assurance of following law but does not directly confirm no records destroyed.
every member of the House can be assured that this government follows the law meticulously.
- deflectedJusticeMr. Gérard Deltell (Conservative) asked Ralph Goodale (Liberal). loaded question.Answer discusses fair trials in general without addressing release of evidence or PM's intent.
we want every trial in Canada to be a fair trial and that is assured by the very system we have, where the prosecution is in the hands of the independent Public Prosecution Service of Canada
- deflectedJusticeMr. Gérard Deltell (Conservative) asked Ralph Goodale (Liberal). loaded question.Answer invokes sub judice rule to avoid commenting on releasing evidence.
once again the opposition is inviting a commentary upon a judicial proceeding which is outstanding.
- answeredMarijuanaMr. Guy Caron (NDP) asked Ralph Goodale (Liberal). substantive question.Answer directly addresses pardon system as alternative to expungement.
We are also advancing a new and far more effective pardon system for simple possession, with no waiting period before eligibility and no fee for the expressed purpose of getting rid of the stigma.
- partly answeredMarijuanaMr. Guy Caron (NDP) asked Ralph Goodale (Liberal). substantive question.Answer explains pardon approach and limits of expungement but does not commit to expungement.
The expungement argument the hon. gentleman makes by contrast, expungement has been used exclusively and only to deal with those cases where the law itself was inherently discriminatory and a fundamental violation of human rights
- answeredForeign AffairsMs. Hélène Laverdière (NDP) asked Chrystia Freeland (Liberal). substantive question.Answer addresses concern and supports investigation and accountability.
all those responsible for this situation must be held to account.
- answeredForeign AffairsMs. Hélène Laverdière (NDP) asked Chrystia Freeland (Liberal). loaded question.Directly denies the premise and affirms the government's human rights stance without evasion.
Canada's position on human rights in general, very much including Saudi Arabia, is clear and firm.
- deflectedJusticeErin O'Toole (Conservative) asked Jody Wilson-Raybould (Liberal). substantive question.Cites independence of prosecution and sub judice to avoid addressing the request for a commitment.
As this matter is currently before the court, it would be entirely inappropriate for me to comment further.
- deflectedJusticeErin O'Toole (Conservative) asked Ralph Goodale (Liberal). substantive question.Quotes House rules on sub judice to avoid any commitment or discussion of evidence release.
Members are expected to refrain from discussing matters before the courts, or under judicial consideration, in order to protect those involved in a court action or judicial inquiry against any undue influence through the discussion of the case.
- deflectedJusticeMr. Richard Martel (Conservative) asked Ralph Goodale (Liberal). substantive question.Invokes sub judice convention and independence of prosecution instead of addressing evidence release.
It is deemed improper for a Member, in posing a question, or a Minister in responding to a question, to comment on any matter that is sub judice.
- deflectedJusticeMr. Richard Martel (Conservative) asked Ralph Goodale (Liberal). loaded question.Restates general principles of impartial justice without addressing the specific accusation of hiding evidence.
The Public Prosecution Service is in charge of the prosecution.
- deflectedJusticeMr. John Brassard (Conservative) asked Ralph Goodale (Liberal). loaded question.Cites House conventions against commenting on legal procedures to avoid answering about evidence release.
members are expected not to ask questions and ministers are expected not to give answers that comment directly or indirectly on an outstanding legal procedure, and we will honour that convention.
- deflectedJusticeMr. John Brassard (Conservative) asked Jody Wilson-Raybould (Liberal). loaded question.Declines to comment citing independence and sub judice without addressing the claim of prior knowledge or cover-up.
As this matter is currently before the court, as the member opposite should know, it would be inappropriate for me to comment further.
- partly answeredIndigenous AffairsMr. Romeo Saganash (NDP) asked Mr. Gary Anandasangaree (Liberal). rhetorical question.Acknowledges systemic racism but does not directly admit error or apologize as demanded.
Throughout our history, there have been people and communities, particularly indigenous peoples, who have experienced systemic racism, oppression and discrimination that has prevented them from fully participating in society.
- answeredAsbestosMs. Sheri Benson (NDP) asked Catherine McKenna (Liberal). loaded question.The minister directly confirms the ban will take effect by year-end and addresses health concerns.
I was delighted today to announce that by December 31, we will have that ban on asbestos.
- deflectedJusticeMr. James Bezan (Conservative) asked Ralph Goodale (Liberal). substantive question.The answer avoids the meeting count by invoking sub judice rules instead of responding.
- deflectedJusticeMr. James Bezan (Conservative) asked Ralph Goodale (Liberal). substantive question.The response again cites House rules on sub judice matters rather than addressing the schedule or document release.
a Minister in responding to a question" shall not "comment on any matter that is sub judice."
- deflectedJusticeMs. Leona Alleslev (Conservative) asked Jody Wilson-Raybould (Liberal). substantive question.The answer points to an independent body and declines to discuss evidence release.
It would be entirely inappropriate to comment on this matter, because it is before the courts.
- deflectedJusticeMs. Leona Alleslev (Conservative) asked Jody Wilson-Raybould (Liberal). loaded question.The minister repeats that the matter is independent and before the courts without addressing evidence release.
As this matter is before the courts, we will not, it is not appropriate to, comment further.
- deflectedSmall BusinessMr. Gord Johns (NDP) asked Mary Ng (Liberal). substantive question.The answer highlights the voluntary reduction but does not address the requested 1% cap.
This is going to save small businesses $7,500 a year.
- partly answeredEmployment InsuranceMs. Brigitte Sansoucy (NDP) asked Mr. Adam Vaughan (Liberal). substantive question.The response describes ongoing EI improvements but does not commit to a complete overhaul.
EI reform continues to be one of our priorities.
- answeredPublic SafetyMr. Pierre Paul-Hus (Conservative) asked Ralph Goodale (Liberal). loaded question.The minister states agencies will investigate and prosecute to the fullest extent and notes charges laid.
Our intelligence, security and police agencies will investigate terrorists by all possible means with the absolute goal to charge and prosecute to the fullest extent of the law.
- deflectedPublic SafetyMr. Pierre Paul-Hus (Conservative) asked Ralph Goodale (Liberal). loaded question.Question loads premise that government does nothing to stop returns while answer pivots to prosecutions and prior government record.
By contrast, under the previous government, with respect to these terrorist returnees, not a single charge was laid by the Harper government.
- deflectedPublic SafetyMrs. Cathay Wagantall (Conservative) asked Ralph Goodale (Liberal). loaded question.Question assumes government emboldens terrorists; answer restates prosecution intent and attacks prior record instead of addressing prevention of returns.
We have already done that in four cases. We will continue to do it in every possible case, whereas they did nothing.
- partly answeredPublic SafetyMrs. Shannon Stubbs (Conservative) asked Ralph Goodale (Liberal). loaded question.Question loads premise of welcoming terrorists; answer directly denies repatriation offers and restates prosecution commitment.
we have not offered to repatriate anyone.
- answeredInternational TradeMs. Irene Mathyssen (NDP) asked Chrystia Freeland (Liberal). substantive question.Question asks why discriminatory courier provision was accepted; answer explains keeping de minimis low as the achievement sought by small businesses.
One of the great achievements in this agreement was to keep de minimis levels low.
- partly answeredCanadian HeritageMr. Pierre Nantel (NDP) asked Mr. Andy Fillmore (Liberal). loaded question.Question accuses inaction on taxing web giants; answer addresses modernization of Broadcasting Act and fair contribution principle.
All players that participate in the system must contribute to the system.
- misdirectedLabourMr. Alupa Clarke (Conservative) asked Patty Hajdu (Liberal). loaded question.Question challenges minister's handling of labour shortage; answer pivots to celebrating job numbers and unemployment instead of addressing shortage measures.
it is wonderful to see the opposition members applaud our success as a government.
- deflectedSmall BusinessMr. Blake Richards (Conservative) asked Ms. Jennifer O'Connell (Liberal). loaded question.Question asks why regulatory and tax burdens increased; answer shifts to tax rate cut and investment growth while attacking prior record.
The Conservatives do not seem to understand that.
- misdirectedSmall BusinessMr. Blake Richards (Conservative) asked Ms. Jennifer O'Connell (Liberal). loaded question.Question challenges added burdens after committee cut; answer attacks Conservative growth record and pivots to unrelated tax and unemployment claims.
The Conservatives had 10 years and they had the worst growth since the Great Depression.
- partly answeredVeterans AffairsMrs. Cheryl Gallant (Conservative) asked Seamus O'Regan (Liberal). loaded question.The answer gives general assurances on equipment but sidesteps the Mali-specific procurement accusation.
We will always ensure our troops have the right training and the right equipment to carry out the missions we send them on.
- deflectedStatus of WomenMs. Sheila Malcolmson (NDP) asked Mr. Terry Duguid (Liberal). substantive question.The answer lists government investments but does not address when equality will be legislated.
That is why we are making Status of Women Canada a full department; why we have invested $40 billion in a national housing strategy, 25% of which will go toward women and their families
- partly answeredConsular AffairsMr. Todd Doherty (Conservative) asked Ms. Pam Goldsmith-Jones (Liberal). substantive question.The answer acknowledges the situation and consular services but cites privacy to avoid further detail on intervention.
We are providing consular services.
- deflectedForeign AffairsMr. Luc Thériault (Bloc) asked Chrystia Freeland (Liberal). loaded question.The answer restates Canada's human rights stance without addressing complicity via arms sales.
Canada has spoken out very clearly about human rights and everyone knows it.
- deflectedForeign AffairsMr. Luc Thériault (Bloc) asked Chrystia Freeland (Liberal). substantive question.The answer repeats calls for investigation but avoids any commitment on suspending arms contracts.
We join our partners in calling for a thorough investigation to identify those responsible.
- deflectedThe EnvironmentMr. Erin Weir (Independent) asked Catherine McKenna (Liberal). substantive question.The answer discusses general climate actions but does not address cannabis production emissions estimates or limits.
We are committed to doing that across all sectors.
- answeredBusiness of the HouseCandice Bergen (Conservative) asked Bardish Chagger (Liberal). substantive question.The answer directly outlines the planned House business for the week and next week.