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Wednesday, September 20, 2017 · sitting No. 202
Conservatives press Liberals on small-business tax changes in question period
The House devoted the largest share of its sitting to oral questions on the government's proposed tax reforms for small businesses, professionals and family farms. Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer said the changes would reduce jobs, wages and investment by making it harder for owners to save for downturns. Government House leader Jim Carr countered by demanding that Scheer denounce a sexist remark made by the member for Battlefords—Lloydminster against the environment minister.
The House also spent substantial time on second reading of Bill S-2, the strengthening motor vehicle safety for Canadians act. Members debated Senate amendments and the bill's grant of broader recall and penalty powers to the transport minister. Several opposition MPs questioned whether the changes confer excessive discretion on the minister.
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Who held the floor · 2017-09-20
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National Defence
NDP Leader Thomas Mulcair asked why the government had left open the possibility of joining U.S. ballistic missile defence after previously opposing it. Defence Minister Harjit S. Sajjan replied that the policy remains unchanged while Canada examines NORAD modernization.
Read the exchangeInternational Trade
NDP MP Tracey Ramsey urged the government to remove investor-state dispute settlement from a modernized NAFTA after an Ekos poll showed 63 per cent of Canadians agree. Parliamentary secretary Andrew Leslie said reforming chapter 11 remains an objective.
Read the exchangeForeign Affairs
NDP MP Hélène Laverdière asked when results would be released from the foreign affairs minister's review of allegations that Canadian-made weapons were used against civilians in Yemen. Parliamentary secretary Matt DeCourcey said no new export permits have been issued and the matter is under review.
Read the exchangePublic Safety
NDP MP Matthew Dubé pressed the government to fund a redress system for the no-fly list after families and business travellers faced repeated delays. Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale said Bill C-59 contains the first legislative fixes.
Read the exchangeIndigenous Affairs
NDP MP Marjolaine Boutin-Sweet called for immediate funding to address mould and overcrowding on reserves. Indigenous Services Minister Jane Philpott said 6,500 homes have already been built or started under new investments.
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- misdirectedTaxationMr. Andrew Scheer (Conservative) asked Jim Carr (Liberal). loaded question.Answer ignores taxation entirely and instead demands an apology on an unrelated sexist comment.
Will the Leader of the Opposition stand here today, do the right thing, denounce his member's comments, and ask him to issue a full apology to the House?
- deflectedTaxationMr. Andrew Scheer (Conservative) asked Jim Carr (Liberal). loaded question.Answer offers only a one-sentence dismissal without addressing any tax or job-creation claim.
Mr. Speaker, how disappointing.
- misdirectedTaxationMr. Andrew Scheer (Conservative) asked Jim Carr (Liberal). loaded question.Answer pivots to defending women and demanding denunciation instead of responding to fairness of tax changes for the Prime Minister.
The Leader of the Opposition refuses to denounce the comments of his colleague in front of all members of the House and, indeed, in front of all Canadians.
- partly answeredTaxationMr. Alain Rayes (Conservative) asked Bill Morneau (Liberal). substantive question.Answer explains the policy goal and mentions ongoing consultations but does not address the specific claim about lack of consultation with the 35 organizations.
We are listening to people across the country.
- partly answeredTaxationMr. Alain Rayes (Conservative) asked Bill Morneau (Liberal). substantive question.Answer restates the fairness rationale and listening process but does not engage with the concrete example of Joseph or the call to rethink the reforms.
We listened to SMEs to make sure that the system works for them so that they can continue to make active investments in their businesses.
- answeredNational DefenceThomas Mulcair (NDP) asked Harjit S. Sajjan (Liberal). substantive question.Answer directly addresses the status of ballistic missile defence policy and NORAD modernization.
However, the policy has not changed yet.
- answeredNational DefenceThomas Mulcair (NDP) asked Marc Garneau (Liberal). substantive question.Answer directly rebuts the disarmament claim by citing Canada's recent diplomatic action on fissile material.
For the first time in 2016, Canada rallied 159 countries to sign the fissile material cut-off treaty
- partly answeredTaxationMr. Nathan Cullen (NDP) asked Diane Lebouthillier (Liberal). substantive question.Answer addresses tax-evasion recovery efforts but does not engage with the specific criticism about focusing only on small business or sparing wealthy individuals.
In our last two budgets, we invested over $1 billion, which enabled us to recover $13 billion.
- deflectedTaxationMr. Alexandre Boulerice (NDP) asked Bill Morneau (Liberal). loaded question.Answer restates general tax fairness goals without addressing the CEO loophole promise or small business attacks.
we do not want a system that enables the rich to set up private companies so they can enjoy lower tax rates than the middle class.
- deflectedTaxationPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Bill Morneau (Liberal). loaded question.Answer avoids the double-tax disparity claim between small and public corporations by repeating fairness talking points.
what we are talking about here is a system that encourages wealthy individuals to arrange their taxes in an incorporated way so they can get a lower rate of tax than middle-class Canadians.
- deflectedTaxationPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Bill Morneau (Liberal). loaded question.Answer ignores the 73% rate application question and pivots to misinformation and fairness goals.
We are making sure that misinformation and inaccurate facts are dealt with.
- deflectedTaxationMr. Gérard Deltell (Conservative) asked Bill Morneau (Liberal). loaded question.Answer sidesteps the specific 73% tax fairness comparison by restating general system goals and listening pledge.
We want to make sure that wealthy Canadians cannot choose the approach that is going to allow them to have a lower tax rate than other Canadians.
- deflectedTaxationMr. Gérard Deltell (Conservative) asked Bill Morneau (Liberal). loaded question.Answer evades the small business penalty question by shifting to incorporation issues and upcoming consultations.
I am happy to continue to talk with Canadians and listen to them.
- deflectedTaxationLisa Raitt (Conservative) asked Bill Morneau (Liberal). loaded question.Answer does not address the farmer's employee-vs-family dilemma or 73% rate but repeats investment and fairness lines.
We are trying to make sure that people can invest in their businesses over the long term.
- deflectedTaxationLisa Raitt (Conservative) asked Bill Morneau (Liberal). loaded question.Answer cuts off without engaging the CFIB figures or dividend comparison, defaulting to prior talking points.
again, what we believe is important--
- partly answeredInternational TradeMs. Tracey Ramsey (NDP) asked Andrew Leslie (Liberal). substantive question.Answer directly references NAFTA modernization objectives including investor-state reform, addressing the core request in part.
Our objectives for a modernized NAFTA include reforming the investor state—
- deflectedInternational TradeMs. Ruth Ellen Brosseau (NDP) asked Lawrence MacAulay (Liberal). substantive question.The answer reiterates past investments without addressing the request for additional funding.
We have continued and will continue, and other dollars are available.
- deflectedTaxationCandice Bergen (Conservative) asked Bill Morneau (Liberal). loaded question.The answer discusses general fairness goals but sidesteps the specific 73% tax claim and Morneau Shepell comparison.
we are working toward ensuring that our tax system is fair.
- deflectedTaxationCandice Bergen (Conservative) asked Bill Morneau (Liberal). loaded question.The answer repeats talking points on fairness without engaging the repeated question about the 73% rate.
we know that having a system that is fair is critically important.
- deflectedTaxationMr. Mark Strahl (Conservative) asked Bill Morneau (Liberal). loaded question.The answer begins a general statement on incorporation incentives and cuts off without addressing the question.
having a system that encourages the wealthiest among us to incorporate—
- deflectedTaxationMr. Phil McColeman (Conservative) asked Bill Morneau (Liberal). rhetorical question.The answer restates dual objectives without responding to the interjection.
We want to have a system that encourages people to invest in their active businesses.
- deflectedTaxationMr. Mark Strahl (Conservative) asked Bill Morneau (Liberal). loaded question.The answer focuses on listening to Canadians and general fairness without addressing the specific tax rate or fairness query.
We know those two goals can both be achieved, and that is why we are out listening to Canadians
- partly answeredForeign AffairsMs. Hélène Laverdière (NDP) asked Mr. Matt DeCourcey (Liberal). substantive question.The answer addresses the investigation status and confirms no new permits but does not specify actions or timeline.
The minister has asked for a review of the situation and officials have been actively seeking further information on the allegations.
- partly answeredPublic SafetyMr. Matthew Dubé (NDP) asked Ralph Goodale (Liberal). substantive question.The answer acknowledges the need to fix the system and points to legislation but does not confirm full funding or immediate implementation.
I would point out for the hon. gentleman that in Bill C-59 he will find the beginning of the legislative changes that are necessary to fix it.
- deflectedTaxationMr. Randy Hoback (Conservative) asked Bill Morneau (Liberal). loaded question.The answer restates general tax fairness goals without addressing the 73% rate or Morneau Shepell comparison.
Our goal, again, is tax fairness.
- deflectedTaxationMrs. Kelly Block (Conservative) asked Bill Morneau (Liberal). loaded question.The answer repeats fairness talking points and mentions listening but avoids the specific tax claim.
We want to make sure, as we move forward to have a fairer tax system, that it really does continue to enable farm families, fishers, and people across the country to be successful.
- deflectedTaxationMr. Blake Richards (Conservative) asked Bill Morneau (Liberal). loaded question.The answer focuses on correcting misinformation and fairness without engaging the 73% tax or exemption premise.
We are going to listen to small business owners, to people across the country, because we want to correct the misinformation that is out there, suggesting that they will be in a worse-off situation.
- deflectedTaxationMr. Alupa Clarke (Conservative) asked Bill Morneau (Liberal). loaded question.The answer discusses not privileging the wealthy but sidesteps the specific 73% tax question.
The fact that members opposite believe that it is fair for the wealthiest to pay a lower tax rate than the middle class is something we do not understand.
- answeredImmigration, Refugees and CitizenshipMs. Jenny Kwan (NDP) asked Ahmed Hussen (Liberal). substantive question.The answer directly details government actions taken on asylum seekers and processing.
We have processed and increased the capacity of the IRCC office in Montreal, in order to be able to improve the process of asylum seekers and their claims from months to days.
- partly answeredIndigenous AffairsMs. Marjolaine Boutin-Sweet (NDP) asked Jane Philpott (Liberal). substantive question.The answer notes investments and homes built but does not address a focused strategy with immediate funding.
That is why our government has made such significant investments and already 6,500 homes have been built or are under construction.
- deflectedTaxationMr. Luc Berthold (Conservative) asked Bill Morneau (Liberal). loaded question.The answer emphasizes fairness and listening without addressing the 73% tax or specific comparison.
We are listening to farmers across the country to make sure that there are no unintended consequences for them.
- deflectedTaxationMr. John Barlow (Conservative) asked Bill Morneau (Liberal). loaded question.The answer reiterates opposition to lower rates for the wealthy but avoids the posed tax rate question.
I know that rural Canadians and all Canadians want to have a system where we do not encourage the richest to incorporate so they pay a lower tax rate than middle-class Canadians.
- deflectedTaxationMr. Larry Maguire (Conservative) asked Bill Morneau (Liberal). loaded question.The answer explains general tax fairness goals without addressing the specific small business owner or the Morneau Shepell comparison raised.
a tax system that encourages the wealthy to incorporate to pay a lower tax rate than the middle class is not a tax system that is fair.
- deflectedTaxationMr. Jacques Gourde (Conservative) asked Bill Morneau (Liberal). loaded question.The answer restates policy objectives on fairness and small business rates but ignores the 73% rate claim and the named individual.
we do not want to have a situation where the wealthy can simply change their situation by incorporating so they have a lower tax rate than the middle class.
- partly answeredThe EnvironmentMr. Daniel Blaikie (NDP) asked Mr. Jonathan Wilkinson (Liberal). substantive question.The answer notes funding and cooperation efforts for Lake Winnipeg but does not address the requested referral to the International Joint Commission.
There was $27.5 million allocated in the budget to protect Lake Winnipeg and its basin.
- answeredEthicsPeter Kent (Conservative) asked Jane Philpott (Liberal). substantive question.The answer directly states the minister was not involved in the tax discussions and had closed the corporation.
I was not involved in the discussions related to the tax changes.
- partly answeredNatural ResourcesMs. Elizabeth May (Green) asked Jim Carr (Liberal). substantive question.The answer discusses NEB modernization consultations but does not confirm removing the NEB from environmental assessments.
as the member knows, the government has spent the last number of months looking at modernization and reform of the National Energy Board.