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Wednesday, November 7, 2012 · sitting No. 178
Petitions take most house time amid clashes over economy and veterans
Petitions occupied the largest share of sitting No. 178 at seven per cent of the day. Members tabled dozens of petitions on topics including Lyme disease strategy, access to generic medicines and a national housing strategy.
In Question Period the NDP pressed the government on economic growth after the IMF forecast slower Canadian expansion than in the United States. Conservative MP John Baird replied that 820,000 net new jobs have been created since 2009 and that international bodies rank Canada among the strongest G7 economies.
Opposition members also challenged Veterans Affairs Minister Steven Blaney on funeral benefits and service cuts, while the minister stated the program has assisted more than 10,000 veterans since 2006 and provides up to $10,000 per case.
Decided that day
- Seventh Report of the Standing Committee on Government Operations and Estimates passed
- Motion amended by deleting words after 'That'
- Bill passed third reading and sent for royal assent
- Bill defeated at second reading and referral to Finance Committee
From the Hansard record of the sitting. Full Hansard
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Who held the floor · 2012-11-07
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Other moments
Correctional Service Canada
NDP MP Rosane Doré Lefebvre asked Public Safety Minister Vic Toews to apologize for remarks on the death of Ashley Smith and to implement a mental-health action plan in federal prisons; Toews said Correctional Service Canada has been directed to co-operate with the coroner's inquest.
Read the exchangeBudget Implementation
NDP MP Nathan Cullen said the government's plan to split the omnibus bill among committees was collapsing under Conservative restrictions on witnesses and time; Finance Minister Jim Flaherty replied that the goal is to enact job-creation measures announced in the March budget.
Read the exchangeNational Defence
NDP MP Mathieu Ravignat asked National Defence Minister Rona Ambrose to release updated cost estimates for the F-35 fleet as required by the government's seven-point plan; Ambrose said an independent validation is under way and will be tabled in the House.
Read the exchangeSearch and Rescue
Liberal MP Denis Coderre questioned the closure of marine communications centres in Rivière-au-Renard and Montreal; Fisheries and Oceans Minister Gail Shea said consolidation will maintain public safety and use modern technology at fewer sites.
Read the exchangeInternational Trade
Conservative MP Bev Shipley urged passage of the Canada-Panama free-trade agreement; Parliamentary Secretary Gerald Keddy said the deal will give Canadian exporters a level playing field.
Read the exchangeQuestion Period, exchange by exchange
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- deflectedThe EconomyThomas Mulcair (NDP) asked John Baird (Conservative). rhetorical question.The answer shifts to congratulating Obama and listing government strengths without addressing the query on domestic honesty.
With respect to the economy, this government has never said that we are immune from challenges in other parts of the world.
- deflectedThe EconomyThomas Mulcair (NDP) asked John Baird (Conservative). substantive question.The answer cites job numbers and IMF praise but ignores the specific IMF prediction of slower Canadian growth than the US.
we are pleased with the 820,000 net new jobs that have been created since the summer of 2009.
- deflectedThe EconomyThomas Mulcair (NDP) asked John Baird (Conservative). loaded question.The answer rebuts by listing positive rankings and accuses the asker of talking down the economy rather than engaging the IMF growth claim.
there he goes again talking down the Canadian economy.
- partly answeredCorrectional Service CanadaMs. Rosane Doré Lefebvre (NDP) asked Vic Toews (Conservative). substantive question.The answer acknowledges the tragedy and states CSC cooperation with the inquest but does not address the request for an apology.
Our government has directed Correctional Service Canada to fully co-operate with the coroner's inquest.
- answeredCorrectional Service CanadaMs. Rosane Doré Lefebvre (NDP) asked Vic Toews (Conservative). substantive question.The answer directly states that an action plan is being examined following discussions with provincial ministers.
we are in fact examining an action plan to deal with mental illness.
- deflectedCorrectional Service CanadaBob Rae (Liberal) asked John Baird (Conservative). substantive question.The answer lists new protocols and investments but does not confirm possession or release of additional videos.
As a result of this tragic accident, Correctional Service Canada has implemented the following new protocols
- answeredCorrectional Service CanadaBob Rae (Liberal) asked Vic Toews (Conservative). substantive question.The answer states that CSC will disclose relevant information if the coroner requests or subpoenas it.
If the coroner has need of certain information, the coroner simply can ask or subpoena for that information.
- deflectedCorrectional Service CanadaBob Rae (Liberal) asked Vic Toews (Conservative). substantive question.The answer equates the coroner's inquest with a public inquiry and reiterates disclosure instructions without addressing a broader inquiry.
a coroner's inquest is a public inquiry.
- deflectedBudget ImplementationMrs. Sadia Groguhé (NDP) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). substantive question.Answer explains referral to subcommittees but avoids why study time and witnesses were minimized.
the finance committee has voted, as I understand it, to refer the second budget implementation bill to 10 parliamentary subcommittees
- deflectedBudget ImplementationMr. Nathan Cullen (NDP) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). substantive question.Answer pivots to opposition intransigence and G20 concerns instead of addressing oversight or sham claims.
The opposition members are being intransigent
- misdirectedBudget ImplementationMr. Nathan Cullen (NDP) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). loaded question.Answer attacks NDP on jobs and pivots to spending control rather than addressing oversight or Reform principles.
If the official opposition, the NDP, actually cared about job creation in our country, then it should expedite passing the hiring credit for small business
- partly answeredVeteransMr. Sylvain Chicoine (NDP) asked Steven Blaney (Conservative). substantive question.Answer states the program amount and history but does not address whether $3600 is adequate or the Auditor General findings.
the funeral and burial program provides up to $10,000 to help cover the funeral costs incurred by veterans' families
- deflectedVeteransMs. Irene Mathyssen (NDP) asked Steven Blaney (Conservative). substantive question.Answer shifts blame to opposition for blocking service improvements instead of addressing PBO data or court fights over pensions.
Why is the opposition preventing our veterans from getting their service faster
- misdirectedVeteransMr. Peter Stoffer (NDP) asked Steven Blaney (Conservative). substantive question.Answer threatens to upset the asker's mother and cuts off without addressing funeral funding adequacy.
if I want the member's mother to stay happy about her son, I will not tell her that he voted in the House against the—
- misdirectedIntergovernmental AffairsMr. Alexandre Boulerice (NDP) asked Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). substantive question.Answer demands the asker declare support for federalism instead of addressing travel distribution or first ministers' meeting.
Why do you not help all of us do the work of uniting our country by standing now in your place, after 29 donations to the separatists in Quebec
- deflectedEthicsMr. Charlie Angus (NDP) asked Peter Penashue (Conservative). substantive question.Answer highlights meetings and success stories but avoids specifics on travel west of Toronto or ministerial duties.
I meet with counterparts regularly and focus on the strength of the provinces in growing Canada's economy
- misdirectedEthicsMr. Charlie Angus (NDP) asked Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). loaded question.The answer ignores the demand to explain the member's role in listed scandals and instead attacks the NDP.
The member should not be throwing stones when he lives in a glass house.
- misdirectedEthicsMr. Marc Garneau (Liberal) asked Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). loaded question.The answer dismisses the listed allegations as unproven and pivots to attacking the opposition's record instead of addressing the Labrador minister.
None of those things are proven.
- deflectedVeterans AffairsMr. Sean Casey (Liberal) asked Steven Blaney (Conservative). substantive question.The answer describes the existing program and past actions but avoids any commitment on increasing funding or acting on the recommendation.
We are always looking at ways to improve the service we are providing to veterans
- partly answeredEmployment InsuranceMr. Rodger Cuzner (Liberal) asked Diane Finley (Conservative). loaded question.The answer rebuts the 2004 comparison with current processing data and notes modernization efforts but does not fully resolve the performance gap raised.
- deflectedForeign InvestmentMr. Peter Julian (NDP) asked Mr. Gerald Keddy (Conservative). substantive question.The answer restates general benefits of the FIPA rules without confirming or denying the specific national-treatment claim for Chinese SOEs on oil leases.
Those rules will treat Chinese investors in Canada the same way as Canadian investors.
- deflectedForeign InvestmentMr. Peter Julian (NDP) asked Christian Paradis (Conservative). loaded question.The answer shifts to net-benefit review and past NDP votes instead of addressing the missed national-security deadline.
What we have to do with this transaction is to see if it will provide a net benefit for Canada.
- partly answeredNational DefenceMr. Mathieu Ravignat (NDP) asked Rona Ambrose (Conservative). substantive question.The answer confirms hiring an independent validator and plans to table numbers but does not commit to releasing the KPMG study or meeting the July deadline.
- answeredNational DefenceMr. Matthew Kellway (NDP) asked Rona Ambrose (Conservative). rhetorical question.The answer directly states that all options will be examined and that operational advice comes from the air force.
In terms of options, the member knows full well that the government will be examining all options to replace the CF-18.
- misdirectedService CanadaMs. Chris Charlton (NDP) asked Tony Clement (Conservative). loaded question.The answer restates general budget claims then attacks the opposition on an unrelated carbon tax instead of addressing Service Canada processing delays.
unlike the $21 billion carbon tax that the opposition seems fetish like in agreeing with and wanting to impose upon the people of Canada.
- deflectedService CanadaMs. Marjolaine Boutin-Sweet (NDP) asked Diane Finley (Conservative). substantive question.The answer pivots to job training and general service improvements without addressing the specific budget cuts or declining service statistics raised.
We are trying to help people find new jobs and give them access to job readiness training.
- deflectedService CanadaMs. Paulina Ayala (NDP) asked Tony Clement (Conservative). substantive question.The answer cites a report contradicting the PBO but does not address the impact of further cuts on public services or layoff numbers.
Mr. Page's statements have been contradicted by information that clearly shows that operational efficiency is the reason for approximately 70% of the current savings.
- deflectedService CanadaMs. Marie-Claude Morin (NDP) asked Tony Clement (Conservative). loaded question.The answer claims services can be protected but then attacks the opposition's general spending habits rather than engaging the PBO report or service impacts.
The opposition has never met a program it does not love.
- partly answeredSearch and RescueDenis Coderre (Liberal) asked Gail Shea (Conservative). substantive question.The answer addresses the consolidation timeline and safety commitment but does not explain the lack of studies or consultation mentioned in the question.
consolidation will be based on operational needs, on the maintenance of public safety and taking the time needed to complete this work properly.
- deflectedSearch and RescueMs. Kirsty Duncan (Liberal) asked Gail Shea (Conservative). substantive question.The answer emphasizes technology investments and safety commitment but avoids addressing the risk increase from closing nearly half the centres.
Better connected centres equipped with modern technology will ensure improved reliability of services.
- misdirectedCanada PostMr. Robert Aubin (NDP) asked Steven Fletcher (Conservative). loaded question.The answer corrects the member's statements about arm's length status but does not address the new $200 fee on homebuyers.
- answeredCanada PostMs. Francine Raynault (NDP) asked Steven Fletcher (Conservative). substantive question.The answer directly explains that developers pay extra costs for new service and that Canada Post makes operational decisions at arm's length.
If there is an additional cost to provide the service, we expect the people who use the service or develop it, like in this case the developers, to absorb that cost.
- deflectedFisheries and OceansMs. Joyce Murray (Liberal) asked Gail Shea (Conservative). loaded question.The answer avoids any commitment on implementing recommendations and pivots to a general review statement.
We are going to carefully review the report and the recommendations and work with our stakeholders and partners to take steps to ensure that the salmon fishery in British Columbia is sustainable and prosperous for years to come.
- partly answeredThe EnvironmentMr. David Christopherson (NDP) asked Peter Kent (Conservative). substantive question.The answer conditions federal funding on Ontario's share without confirming immediate commitment.
Once the government of Ontario steps up with its one-third share, I will seek the release of committed funds and the authorities to proceed with this long overdue toxic site cleanup.
- answeredCanadian HeritageMr. Tyrone Benskin (NDP) asked James Moore (Conservative). substantive question.The answer directly states opposition to the bill and contrasts it with other government actions.
- misdirectedJusticeMr. André Bellavance (Bloc) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). substantive question.The answer attacks the questioner's party instead of addressing the proposed list of criminal groups.
I appreciate that fighting crime is not much of a priority for what is left of the Bloc, but that being said, we have brought in legislation concerning organized crime, making all murders automatically first degree.