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Thursday, October 25, 2012 · sitting No. 169

Conservatives move time allocation on budget bill

Government House leader Peter Van Loan moved a motion to limit debate on Bill C-45, the second act to implement the March 29 budget, to four further sitting days at second reading. Opposition members immediately challenged the move as an attempt to curtail scrutiny of an omnibus measure containing multiple policy changes.

New Democrat House leader Nathan Cullen accused the government of contradicting its own pledge for a vigorous policy debate and instead resorting to procedural limits. Conservative minister of state Ted Menzies defended the allocation, arguing the bill must advance to committee for detailed examination of measures such as changes to scientific research tax credits.

In Question Period the main exchanges concerned foreign investment reviews and old age security changes, with NDP leader Thomas Mulcair pressing for public criteria on takeovers and Prime Minister Stephen Harper defending the existing process.

Decided that day

  • Motion on Bill C-45 passed
  • Bill C-457 introduced

From the Hansard record of the sitting. Full Hansard

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Who held the floor · 2012-10-25

Government (Conservative)OppositionOver the day: government 44%, opposition 56% of the words spokenGovernment businessQuestion PeriodGovernment business▲ Government side held the floor▼ Opposition held the floorOpened 10:0011:0012:0013:0014:0015:0016:0017:00Last speech 18:20Time of day, Ottawa · the House sat 8 h 20 min · each dot is a stretch of debate, placed at the minute it began
46Budget bill edges forward amid procedural snagsThe House spent most of its time on the Jobs and Growth Act and passed one related motion while introducing another bill. Frequent points of order and evasive replies in Question Period limited how much was accomplished.AI-rated Score out of 100; the verdict and the answer ratings behind it are a model’s reading. How the AI rates this

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Other moments

Pensions

NDP leader Thomas Mulcair asked whether the Prime Minister agreed with a Conservative member's attack on seniors' group CARP during finance committee hearings on old age security changes.

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Employment Insurance

NDP MP Anne-Marie Day said the government had ended the five-week extension pilot project without notice to seasonal workers and asked when it would stop undermining regions dependent on seasonal industries.

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The Environment

NDP MP Megan Leslie noted that references to environmental protection had been removed from the Navigable Waters Protection Program website and asked whether the minister understood the link between navigation and the environment.

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Veterans

NDP MP Sylvain Chicoine said funeral directors often cover shortfalls for veterans' funerals because the government's contribution falls short of actual costs and asked how the shortfall had been allowed to continue.

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Health

Liberal MP Hedy Fry asked Health Minister Leona Aglukkaq to refuse approval of generic versions of OxyContin after its patent expires, citing a 500 per cent rise in deaths since the drug was added to provincial plans.

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Question Period, exchange by exchange

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  1. deflected
    PensionsThomas Mulcair (NDP) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). loaded question.Answer ignores the specific question about the attack on CARP and pivots to unrelated pension policy talking points.this government has planned to gradually eliminate the federal deficit and will do so by in fact preserving pension payments to Canadian seniors.
  2. deflected
    Foreign InvestmentThomas Mulcair (NDP) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). loaded question.Answer dismisses the premise with an insult rather than addressing criteria for foreign takeovers.if the member thinks the NDP is being supported by the Calgary business community, he is going into waves of delusion.
  3. partly answered
    Foreign InvestmentThomas Mulcair (NDP) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). substantive question.Answer acknowledges the need for net benefit review but does not provide the requested clear public criteria or timeline.We must carefully ensure that these transactions have a net benefit for the Canadian economy.
  4. deflected
    National DefenceMr. Jack Harris (NDP) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.Answer avoids the letter and cuts by listing past spending increases instead.the Canadian Forces budget has grown substantially each and every year since our government took office.
  5. misdirected
    National DefenceMr. Jack Harris (NDP) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.Answer attacks the questioner's party record rather than addressing the Prime Minister's letter or lost confidence.he and his party have denied these investments over the last six years and continue to deny them.
  6. deflected
    Foreign InvestmentRalph Goodale (Liberal) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). substantive question.Answer criticizes the prior Liberal record on China trade instead of defining reciprocity.this is a fascinating question coming from a party under whose administration Canada had virtually no growth in its trade and investment in China
  7. deflected
    Foreign InvestmentRalph Goodale (Liberal) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). substantive question.Answer attacks Liberal history on takeovers rather than addressing board composition or Canadian directors.When the Liberal Party was in government, it never once refused any foreign takeover for any reason whatsoever.
  8. deflected
    Foreign InvestmentRalph Goodale (Liberal) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). substantive question.Answer pivots to a Supreme Court ruling unrelated to enforcement of secret conditions on foreign takeovers.I do particularly want to pay note to the decision of the Supreme Court today, which said and let me quote, "we reject the [Liberal] candidate's attempt to disenfranchise entitled voters and so undermine public confidence in the electoral process".
  9. deflected
    Employment InsuranceMrs. Anne-Marie Day (NDP) asked Diane Finley (Conservative). loaded question.Answer ignores the specific question on the pilot project elimination and warning, instead restating job creation talking points.The pilot project that the member talked about was meant to be temporary.
  10. deflected
    Employment InsuranceMr. Robert Chisholm (NDP) asked Diane Finley (Conservative). loaded question.Answer avoids addressing consultation or respect for Atlantic workers and pivots to general job alerts and training.we are helping Atlantic Canadians and indeed Canadians right across the country to get back to work.
  11. answered
    The EnvironmentMs. Megan Leslie (NDP) asked Denis Lebel (Conservative). loaded question.Answer directly clarifies the act's focus on navigation and that other departments handle environment.Obviously, Environment Canada will continue to do its job, as will Fisheries and Oceans and the provinces and municipalities.
  12. answered
    The EnvironmentMs. Megan Leslie (NDP) asked Denis Lebel (Conservative). loaded question.Answer addresses the premise by stating the act has never mentioned environment since 1882.the Navigable Waters Protection Act has always been about navigation, not the environment.
  13. deflected
    National DefenceMs. Christine Moore (NDP) asked Mr. Jacques Gourde (Conservative). substantive question.Answer restates the secretariat's purpose without naming any fighter jet options.the purpose of the National Fighter Procurement Secretariat is to ensure transparency and due diligence in the process to replace the CF-18s.
  14. deflected
    National DefenceMs. Christine Moore (NDP) asked Mr. Jacques Gourde (Conservative). substantive question.Answer repeats the no-money-spent line and avoids status of evaluating other options.no money has been spent in the acquisition of new fighter aircraft and no money will be spent before the secretariat independently verifies the cost of replacing the CF-18s.
  15. deflected
    National DefenceMr. Matthew Kellway (NDP) asked Mr. Jacques Gourde (Conservative). loaded question.Answer ignores the question on revising requirements and repeats the secretariat purpose.The purpose of the National Fighter Procurement Secretariat is to ensure transparency and due diligence in the process to replace the CF-18s.
  16. misdirected
    VeteransMr. Sylvain Chicoine (NDP) asked Steven Blaney (Conservative). loaded question.Answer attacks the NDP for not supporting measures instead of addressing funeral cost funding.Unfortunately, we regularly see the NDP refuse to support our veterans, when it comes to programs aimed at improving their quality of life as well as programs we are putting in place to provide them with services.
  17. misdirected
    VeteransMr. Peter Stoffer (NDP) asked Steven Blaney (Conservative). substantive question.The answer attacks the NDP instead of addressing the funding request.when will the NDP and the member stand up in the House for our veterans?
  18. deflected
    Official LanguagesStéphane Dion (Liberal) asked Mr. Jacques Gourde (Conservative). substantive question.The answer restates government spending without addressing the decline in French speakers.We are providing unprecedented support for the Roadmap for Canada's Linguistic Duality by investing $1.1 billion
  19. partly answered
    Correctional Service CanadaMs. Judy Foote (Liberal) asked Vic Toews (Conservative). loaded question.The answer addresses provincial responsibility but not the inquiry or spending on cover-up.What this does is demonstrate the need for mental health care to be addressed by provinces rather than having these individuals landing in our prison system.
  20. partly answered
    HealthHedy Fry (Liberal) asked Leona Aglukkaq (Conservative). substantive question.The answer states a review is underway but does not commit to refusing approval.we would be reviewing this matter and be making a decision shortly on the request from the provincial and territorial health ministers.
  21. misdirected
    Foreign InvestmentMs. Hélène LeBlanc (NDP) asked Christian Paradis (Conservative). loaded question.The answer attacks the NDP's policies instead of addressing the Investment Canada Act reform.We will not listen to the NDP because the NDP is against investment and free trade.
  22. misdirected
    Foreign InvestmentMr. Peter Julian (NDP) asked Christian Paradis (Conservative). substantive question.The answer pivots to criticizing NDP policies rather than addressing the timeline for new rules.the member should talk about what the chamber of commerce is thinking about NDP policies
  23. deflected
    Foreign InvestmentMr. Don Davies (NDP) asked Ed Fast (Conservative). substantive question.The answer notes past debate opportunities but avoids committing to further study or transparency.the NDP has had three opportunities to debate this treaty in the House
  24. deflected
    Foreign InvestmentMr. Don Davies (NDP) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.The answer explains rules but does not address holding a public committee debate.The next step is up to the opposition.
  25. deflected
    Public SafetyMr. Randall Garrison (NDP) asked Vic Toews (Conservative). loaded question.Question assumes the agenda harms safety and is unaffordable; answer attacks NDP instead of addressing overcrowding or costs.Unlike the NDP's catch and release prisons, we believe that dangerous gangsters should be in prison.
  26. misdirected
    Public SafetyMs. Rosane Doré Lefebvre (NDP) asked Vic Toews (Conservative). substantive question.Answer ignores double-bunking and investigator recommendations, instead attacking NDP sympathy for prisoners.is it not strange that every time the NDP members get up to speak about crime, their sympathy is with the prisoners?
  27. partly answered
    HealthMs. Mylène Freeman (NDP) asked Leona Aglukkaq (Conservative). substantive question.Answer explains federal role and provincial sourcing but does not address specific Zarontin shortage or patient access.The recent shortage that was widely reported resulted from decisions by provinces and territories to sole-source drug contracts.
  28. misdirected
    HealthMs. Libby Davies (NDP) asked Leona Aglukkaq (Conservative). substantive question.Answer shifts to taxes and an unrelated AIDS conference march instead of addressing the drug shortage strategy.When our government went to Washington this summer to raise the issue of indigenous and aboriginal people fully participating in the international AIDS conference after some 30 years, that member joined a march on the White House demanding higher taxes.
  29. deflected
    Foreign InvestmentWayne Easter (Liberal) asked Ed Fast (Conservative). substantive question.Answer criticizes past Liberal governments rather than addressing transparency or risks in the current China investment deal.Over 13 long, dark years of a Liberal government, they never once had a tabling policy for these kinds of treaties.
  30. deflected
    National DefenceJohn McKay (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.Answer cites court matters and national security to avoid explaining the Delisle security lapse.discussing matters that are before the courts is totally inappropriate, particularly, I would suggest, on issues of national security.
  31. answered
    Rail TransportationMr. Robert Aubin (NDP) asked Denis Lebel (Conservative). substantive question.Answer confirms legislation will be introduced by end of fall as promised.We said that we would introduce something in the fall. Fall has arrived, and we will be introducing something by the end of fall.
  32. partly answered
    Rail TransportationMs. Olivia Chow (NDP) asked Denis Lebel (Conservative). substantive question.Answer notes ongoing consultations and a fall commitment but does not address supporting the opposition bill.we are conducting the necessary consultations with stakeholders all across the country to ensure that the best possible bill can be tabled.
  33. deflected
    EthicsM. Francis Scarpaleggia (Liberal) asked Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). rhetorical question.The answer ignores the specific allegations against the minister and instead attacks Liberal loans and past claims.I think it is time, if the member wants to examine rule breaking, that he look at the half million in illegal loans that Liberal leadership candidates have had outstanding for six years.
  34. deflected
    Canadian Broadcasting CorporationMr. Pierre Nantel (NDP) asked Mr. Paul Calandra (Conservative). substantive question.The answer discusses general budget review and CBC mandate but provides no figures on cuts to programming or the LPIF impact.We have asked them to participate in this and they have done so in a way that maintains the CBC's ability to reach all Canadians in all parts of the country and perform its mandate in both official languages.
  35. partly answered
    Post-Secondary EducationMr. Ryan Cleary (NDP) asked Diane Finley (Conservative). substantive question.The answer describes existing student aid programs but does not address working with the NDP or the specific plan to halve debt by 2015.That is why our government has been proud to streamline and improve Canada's student loans program.
  36. deflected
    Budget ImplementationMr. André Bellavance (Bloc) asked Ted Menzies (Conservative). loaded question.The answer restates standard procedure for budget bills without addressing the request to divide the bill or allow substantive amendments.We have four more days of debate on the budget implementation act and then it will be moved to the finance committee.
  37. misdirected
    PrivilegeMr. Don Davies (NDP) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.The answer dismisses the privilege claim by comparing it to routine correspondence and calls the complaint ironic rather than addressing the specific incident.I find it particularly ironic in a case like this that the member himself says he has been trying to stimulate this kind of feedback, except the feedback apparently is good when it goes to everyone except for him.
  38. misdirected
    PrivilegeMr. Nathan Cullen (NDP) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.The answer accuses the asker of mischaracterizing remarks and downplays the email tactic without engaging the privilege breach claim.I will simply say the House leader for the NDP significantly mischaracterized my remarks.
  39. deflected
    Business of the HouseMr. Nathan Cullen (NDP) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). rhetorical question.The answer defends the priority of Bill C-45 and criticizes Liberal delay tactics instead of addressing the procedural concerns raised about the bill.Indeed, that was very disappointing to us and a surprise because Bill C-45 is important.