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Thursday, May 17, 2012 · sitting No. 126

Commons debates immigration bill as NDP seeks to delete clauses

The House spent the largest share of its time on debate of Bill C-31, the Protecting Canada's Immigration System Act. New Democrat MP Jinny Jogindera Sims moved multiple motions to delete clauses from the bill, arguing that it creates a two-tier refugee system based on arrival method rather than claim merits.

Conservative MP Rick Dykstra defended the legislation, noting extensive committee review and witness testimony. Liberal MP Kevin Lamoureux warned that the bill would tarnish Canada's international reputation on refugee issues.

In Question Period, New Democrat Leader Thomas Mulcair pressed the government on an RCMP investigation into a Globe and Mail article about F-35 procurement. Conservative MP James Moore replied that the Clerk of the Privy Council acted to protect cabinet documents.

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Who held the floor · 2012-05-17

Government (Conservative)OppositionOver the day: government 41%, opposition 59% of the words spokenGovernment businessQuestion PeriodGovernment business▲ Government side held the floor▼ Opposition held the floorOpened 10:0511:0012:0013:0014:0015:0016:0017:00Last speech 18:30Time of day, Ottawa · the House sat 8 h 25 min · each dot is a stretch of debate, placed at the minute it began
31Pension and immigration talk, no decisions reachedThe sitting devoted most time to debate on immigration and pension bills, with a high share of words on substantive business. No stages advanced, no votes occurred, and most Question Period answers were deflected or misdirected.AI-rated Score out of 100; the verdict and the answer ratings behind it are a model’s reading. How the AI rates this

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Other moments

Pooled Registered Pension Plans Act

New Democrat MP Irene Mathyssen moved to delete Clause 1 of Bill C-25, saying pooled registered pension plans duplicate RRSPs without addressing Canada's pension crisis. Conservative MP Mike Wallace asked whether the NDP also opposes RRSPs.

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Employment Insurance

Liberal Leader Bob Rae questioned the lack of clarity on employment insurance changes in the budget bill. Conservative MP James Moore said the changes are in the budget implementation act.

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Aboriginal Affairs

New Democrat MP Jean Crowder cited Health Canada data showing aboriginal households are three times less likely to have food security and asked the government to act. Conservative MP Leona Aglukkaq defended the government's nutrition programs.

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Veterans Affairs

Liberal MP Sean Casey asked whether the government will appeal a Federal Court ruling on veterans' pension clawbacks. Conservative MP Julian Fantino said the decision is under study.

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Question Period, exchange by exchange

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  1. deflected
    Confidentiality of InformationMr. Thomas Mulcair (NDP) asked James Moore (Conservative). loaded question.The answer denies the premise and restates the duty to protect documents without naming any person who ordered an investigation.The fact is that the government is responsible for protecting sensitive information and cabinet documents must remain secret.
  2. misdirected
    Confidentiality of InformationMr. Thomas Mulcair (NDP) asked James Moore (Conservative). loaded question.The answer ignores the question about police action and instead attacks the questioner for comments on western Canada.Since the Leader of the Opposition raised the question of "national embarrassments", I am wondering when the Leader of the Opposition will apologize to western Canadians for suggesting that the strength of the western Canadian economy is a "disease" on Canada.
  3. misdirected
    Confidentiality of InformationMr. Thomas Mulcair (NDP) asked James Moore (Conservative). loaded question.The answer again pivots to an attack on the opposition leader’s stance toward western Canada rather than addressing the alleged investigation of a journalist.The fact is, the Leader of the Opposition is attacking western Canada when it comes to our national resources.
  4. misdirected
    The EconomyMr. Thomas Mulcair (NDP) asked James Moore (Conservative). loaded question.The answer sidesteps the manufacturing-job and regional-employment questions and instead accuses the asker of attacking the west.there he goes again, attacking the west and he has not even been there.
  5. deflected
    The EconomyMr. Thomas Mulcair (NDP) asked James Moore (Conservative). substantive question.The answer highlights job numbers but does not engage the claim that environmental non-enforcement and an overvalued dollar are harming manufacturing.As I said, there were more jobs in the last two months, the best job record that Canada has seen in over 30 years.
  6. partly answered
    Employment InsuranceBob Rae (Liberal) asked James Moore (Conservative). substantive question.The answer states that the changes are in the budget implementation act but does not clarify the specific EI definitions the questioner seeks.The changes the leader of the Liberal Party is looking for and has sought are in fact in the budget implementation act.
  7. deflected
    Employment InsuranceBob Rae (Liberal) asked James Moore (Conservative). substantive question.The answer repeats that protective measures remain but never supplies the missing definitions or regulations requested.protective measures for those who need the system are not being eliminated.
  8. partly answered
    PensionsBob Rae (Liberal) asked James Moore (Conservative). substantive question.The answer gives the implementation timeline for OAS changes but does not quantify the projected fiscal savings asked about.The changes we propose to the OAS system would begin in 2023 and be fully implemented by 2029.
  9. deflected
    Employment InsuranceMrs. Anne-Marie Day (NDP) asked Ms. Kellie Leitch (Conservative). substantive question.The answer stresses local job matching but never addresses the requested guarantee on forced relocation or EI forfeiture.Canadians will be expected to take available jobs in their local communities that match their qualifications.
  10. deflected
    Employment InsuranceMrs. Anne-Marie Day (NDP) asked Ms. Kellie Leitch (Conservative). substantive question.The answer avoids defining suitable employment and instead attacks the opposition while repeating job-creation talking points.We do not believe it is a colossal waste to be a taxi driver or work on a farm to make sure one is supporting one's family so they have a good quality of life.
  11. deflected
    Employment InsuranceMs. Libby Davies (NDP) asked Ms. Kellie Leitch (Conservative). substantive question.The answer reiterates local-job connections and dismisses the study without tabling any planned EI changes.The study in question did not inform the policy discussion that took place in this House.
  12. deflected
    Employment InsuranceMs. Libby Davies (NDP) asked Ms. Kellie Leitch (Conservative). substantive question.The answer repeats the local-jobs message and job-creation statistics while ignoring the request to table EI plans.This means we are going to be connecting unemployed Canadians with opportunities in their local areas.
  13. misdirected
    Aboriginal AffairsMs. Jean Crowder (NDP) asked Leona Aglukkaq (Conservative). substantive question.The answer attacks the UN rapporteur and the EU seal-hunt policy instead of acknowledging food insecurity in northern communities.the UN rapporteur should look to his own country's position on the seal hunt and its impact on the Canadian Inuit.
  14. misdirected
    Aboriginal AffairsMs. Jean Crowder (NDP) asked Leona Aglukkaq (Conservative). substantive question.The answer criticizes the rapporteur's knowledge and pivots to seal-hunt issues rather than addressing government data on food access.What this amounts to is an academic study of aboriginal people in Canada's Arctic without ever setting foot on our grounds
  15. misdirected
    Aboriginal AffairsMr. Jonathan Genest-Jourdain (NDP) asked Leona Aglukkaq (Conservative). substantive question.The answer insults the rapporteur and compares the opposition to the EU instead of responding to calls for action on food costs.The European UN representative coming to Canada from afar to study us and lecture us is as ridiculous as a certain MP from Toronto saying I do not understand issues affecting my hometown and the north.
  16. misdirected
    Aboriginal AffairsMs. Niki Ashton (NDP) asked Leona Aglukkaq (Conservative). substantive question.The answer attacks the member and the rapporteur personally while refusing to address the documented food-security facts.That member should be ashamed of herself.
  17. misdirected
    Aboriginal AffairsMr. Paul Dewar (NDP) asked John Baird (Conservative). substantive question.The answer ignores the UN rapporteur question entirely and pivots to unrelated praise.I want to tell all members of the House how proud I am and how proud this government is of the Minister of Health for the absolutely outstanding job she has done for all Canadians as Minister of Health and, particularly, her approach to bringing the views of Inuit people to cabinet.
  18. answered
    Veterans AffairsMr. Sean Casey (Liberal) asked Julian Fantino (Conservative). substantive question.The answer directly states the government is studying the decision and has not yet decided.as the member knows, the Government of Canada is currently studying the decision and considering the next steps.
  19. deflected
    National DefenceMr. Scott Andrews (Liberal) asked Peter Penashue (Conservative). loaded question.The answer restates a general commitment without addressing the broken promises claim.I can reaffirm that our government is working to fulfill our commitment for an operational mandate for 5 Wing Goose Bay
  20. misdirected
    HealthCarolyn Bennett (Liberal) asked Leona Aglukkaq (Conservative). substantive question.The response attacks the rapporteur and shifts blame to Liberals instead of addressing food security.He is so ill-informed that he has no idea what our government is doing to invest in nutrition north programs
  21. answered
    National DefenceMs. Christine Moore (NDP) asked Rona Ambrose (Conservative). loaded question.The answer explains the RCMP request was for unauthorized disclosure of information.the RCMP was asked by the Clerk of the Privy Council to look into a possible unauthorized disclosure of confidential information
  22. deflected
    National DefenceMr. Matthew Kellway (NDP) asked Julian Fantino (Conservative). rhetorical question.The answer avoids the F-35 question by restating general military support.far from lashing out at anybody, this is the government that put in place the resources necessary to ensure that our military can do the job we ask of it.
  23. answered
    National DefenceMr. Jack Harris (NDP) asked Julian Fantino (Conservative). substantive question.The answer states an investigation was ordered and recommendations will be acted upon.the Minister of National Defence has ordered an investigation to look into some of these items.
  24. deflected
    National DefenceMr. Jack Harris (NDP) asked Peter Penashue (Conservative). loaded question.The answer repeats a commitment without addressing the broken promises or trust issue.I can reaffirm that our government is working to fulfill our commitment for an operational mandate for 5 Wing Goose Bay that takes advantage of its unique location
  25. misdirected
    G20 SummitMs. Rosane Doré Lefebvre (NDP) asked Vic Toews (Conservative). loaded question.The answer attacks NDP comments on police instead of addressing government responsibility for G20 planning.I cannot comment on the actions by provincial or municipal authorities, but I find that kind of comment by the NDP about our police forces to be despicable.
  26. deflected
    G20 SummitMr. Andrew Cash (NDP) asked Vic Toews (Conservative). loaded question.The answer quotes a positive planning assessment but pivots to attacking NDP comments on police rather than addressing venue or planning failures.However, I have not heard that member try to defend the scurrilous comments that his party has been making against police officers, such as, "Canada is becoming a police state where the toe of an officer's boot or punch in the gut is the rule of law".
  27. answered
    Canadian HeritageMr. Andrew Cash (NDP) asked James Moore (Conservative). substantive question.The answer directly states the minister's opinion on the exhibit and affirms museum independence without evasion.However, I was asked for my opinion and, in my opinion, it is not appropriate for young children to be exposed to sexually explicit material without the consent of their parents.
  28. answered
    Canadian HeritageMs. Rosane Doré Lefebvre (NDP) asked James Moore (Conservative). rhetorical question.The answer affirms museum independence and notes it is the museum's decision, addressing the request to stop meddling.frankly, the museum can make its own decisions about its programming.
  29. misdirected
    Citizenship and ImmigrationJim Karygiannis (Liberal) asked Jason Kenney (Conservative). loaded question.The answer attacks the prior Liberal record on immigration backlogs instead of explaining the decision to delete applications.That member belonged to the government that allowed seven- and eight-year wait times to develop.
  30. misdirected
    Citizenship and ImmigrationMr. Kevin Lamoureux (Liberal) asked Jason Kenney (Conservative). loaded question.The answer recounts Liberal cuts and backlogs rather than addressing the current minister's policies on parents or skilled workers.When the Liberals came to office, what is the first thing they did? They cut immigration by a third between 1993 and 1997.
  31. answered
    JusticeMs. Françoise Boivin (NDP) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). loaded question.The answer directly states the government's position that it will not reopen the abortion debate.the Prime Minister has been very clear. This government will not reopen this debate.
  32. answered
    JusticeMs. Françoise Boivin (NDP) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). loaded question.The answer directly reiterates that the government is not reopening the debate.the Prime Minister has been very clear. We are not reopening the debate.
  33. deflected
    Employment InsuranceMr. Rodger Cuzner (Liberal) asked Ms. Kellie Leitch (Conservative). loaded question.The answer restates job-matching policy and attacks the opposition instead of addressing whose idea the EI changes were.Unlike the opposition members, though, who do not believe that working on a farm or a construction site, driving a taxi or being a referee is a good job, we want to ensure that Canadians have access to jobs in their local areas with their qualifications.
  34. deflected
    Veterans AffairsMr. Peter Stoffer (NDP) asked Julian Fantino (Conservative). substantive question.The answer affirms general support for veterans but does not address stopping the SISIP clawback appeal or meeting with the legal team.we are also saying, once and for all, that we will not be second to anyone when it comes to looking after our men and women in uniform, those who serve today and those who have served very ably in the past.
  35. misdirected
    Air TransportationMs. Élaine Michaud (NDP) asked Denis Lebel (Conservative). loaded question.The answer attacks the premise by claiming the member wants all airports shut down rather than addressing the specific safety concerns raised.Based on the member's premise, we would have to shut down all airports across the country.
  36. deflected
    The EnvironmentMs. Elizabeth May (Green) asked John Duncan (Conservative). substantive question.The answer highlights economic benefits of Arctic exploration but does not explain how blowout risks will be eliminated.The 2011-12 call for bids for the Beaufort Sea and Mackenzie Delta continues to reflect that potential.
  37. misdirected
    Points of OrderMr. Nathan Cullen (NDP) asked Ms. Wai Young (Conservative). substantive question.The answer shifts to a completely unrelated topic about schoolchildren and museum exhibits instead of addressing the heckling complaint.Today, I have a group of school children from my riding from Osler school, an elementary school, here visiting Parliament.
  38. answered
    Points of OrderDenis Coderre (Liberal) asked Ms. Wai Young (Conservative). substantive question.The answer directly apologizes as requested.Mr. Speaker, I wish to apologize for my words to the member opposite.
  39. deflected
    Points of OrderMr. Scott Simms (Liberal) asked Ms. Michelle Rempel (Conservative). substantive question.The answer pivots to a general statement on gender language rather than acknowledging the specific apology offered.As a female member of Parliament, I think it is important for all of us to respect appropriate language when it comes to gender in the House.
  40. deflected
    Points of OrderMr. Nathan Cullen (NDP) asked Ms. Michelle Rempel (Conservative). substantive question.The answer endorses decorum but redirects by urging the asker to police his own side instead of addressing the cited incidents.I also hope that my colleague opposite would encourage some of his members who use demeaning comments like "Muskoka minister", et cetera, in their comments, and share that with caucus.
  41. deflected
    Business of the HouseMr. Nathan Cullen (NDP) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.The answer changes the subject to opposition decorum instead of addressing concerns about democratic erosion.For example, one of his members today, in a question, referred to a minister as being responsible for the department of propaganda.