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Friday, May 11, 2012 · sitting No. 122
Commons debates budget bill amid clashes over defence costs and patronage
The House spent the largest share of its sitting on government orders for the jobs growth and long term prosperity act. Conservative MP Larry Miller said the bill would stimulate the economy through jobs and growth while ensuring long term prosperity. New Democrat MP Kirsty Duncan raised concerns that repeal of the Canadian Environmental Assessment Act would destroy 50 years of environmental safeguards.
Question period featured repeated exchanges on national defence. New Democrat MP David Christopherson said the Libya mission cost 350 million dollars rather than the 50 million dollars cited earlier by the minister. Conservative MP John Baird replied that the mission had been extended twice and that Canadian forces performed exemplary work.
Further questions in the period addressed government appointments and ethics. New Democrat MP Megan Leslie said the public service commission was investigating politically influenced hires at ACOA. Conservative MP Gerald Keddy said strict rules govern hiring and that employment had risen by 58 000 jobs.
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Veterans Affairs
Liberal MP Sean Casey asked the minister of national defence for an update on compliance with a Federal Court ruling on veterans pensions. Conservative MP Peter MacKay said the Department of Justice was reviewing the case.
Read the exchangeCitizenship and Immigration
New Democrat MP Sadia Groguhé said cuts to refugee health care were an attack on legitimate refugees. Conservative MP Rick Dykstra said the changes aimed at fairness so no group receives better benefits than Canadians.
Read the exchangeAerospace Industry
New Democrat MP Paul Dewar asked whether the government would finance RADARSAT 2 and 3. Conservative MP Christian Paradis said the government remained committed to the project and would deliver it cost effectively.
Read the exchangeEmployment
New Democrat MP Irene Mathyssen said combining tribunals would leave 70 staff to review 30 000 appeals and grind the system to a halt. Conservative MP Kellie Leitch said the change would create a simple single window for appeals.
Read the exchangeOld Port of Montreal Corporation
Liberal MP Denis Coderre asked the minister of industry whether the Old Port of Montreal Corporation would be placed under Canada Lands Company management. Conservative MP Jacques Gourde said the minister of public works had asked the auditor general for an independent audit.
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- misdirectedNational DefenceMr. David Christopherson (NDP) asked John Baird (Conservative). loaded question.The answer opens with a sarcastic promotion remark and joke instead of explaining the cost increase.
I am pleased to congratulate my friend from Hamilton on his promotion to deputy leader of the opposition.
- deflectedNational DefenceMr. David Christopherson (NDP) asked John Baird (Conservative). substantive question.The answer restates general transparency claims without addressing why the plan was classified.
just a few short days ago, the Minister of National Defence tabled a significant amount of information in this House for transparency, openness and accountability.
- partly answeredGovernment AppointmentsMr. David Christopherson (NDP) asked John Baird (Conservative). loaded question.The answer notes rules exist but does not address the specific investigation or broken promises.
There are strict rules in place concerning hiring to ensure that agencies run their own competitive processes free of political interference.
- answeredEthicsMs. Manon Perreault (NDP) asked John Baird (Conservative). loaded question.The answer directly explains the limited involvement and defends constituent representation.
I had a constituent approach my office asking for support for a project to help people with disabilities.
- deflectedEthicsMs. Manon Perreault (NDP) asked Ms. Kellie Leitch (Conservative). loaded question.The answer shifts to defending the fund and attacking the NDP instead of addressing the rule change.
The NDP voted against the enabling accessibility fund when it was placed as an opportunity for them to support.
- answeredNational DefenceRalph Goodale (Liberal) asked John Baird (Conservative). loaded question.The answer directly refutes the premise with specific public documents and postings.
- deflectedNational DefenceDenis Coderre (Liberal) asked John Baird (Conservative). rhetorical question.The answer praises the forces and restates tabling of costs without addressing the minister's accuracy.
The minister came forward with the costs associated with the mission.
- misdirectedNational DefenceJohn McKay (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.The answer attacks the premise and pivots to general investments instead of addressing the minister's knowledge.
the member and the media's description of this is dead wrong.
- deflectedGovernment AppointmentsMs. Megan Leslie (NDP) asked Mr. Gerald Keddy (Conservative). loaded question.Answer ignores the specific patronage allegations and pivots to unrelated job statistics.
The hon. member is ignoring, however, the fact that employment is up in Canada by 58,000 jobs.
- deflectedGovernment AppointmentsMs. Megan Leslie (NDP) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.Answer shifts blame to NDP actions instead of addressing the elimination of the commission or donor appointments.
We did attempt to establish a Public Appointments Commission Secretariat and when we went to put someone in charge, the NDP blocked that.
- misdirectedEthicsMr. Mathieu Ravignat (NDP) asked Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). loaded question.Answer attacks NDP on unrelated robocalls and donations rather than addressing SNC-Lavalin contract ties.
Why is the NDP repeating in the House of Commons the same allegations about robocalls when one of their members has already had to apologize?
- misdirectedEthicsMr. Mathieu Ravignat (NDP) asked Mr. David Anderson (Conservative). loaded question.Answer dismisses the question as false and pivots to job creation and attacks on the NDP leader.
What those members really want to do is make sure that Canadians do not know about the great success that we have had in creating jobs over the last couple of months.
- partly answeredNational DefenceMr. Matthew Kellway (NDP) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.Answer directly counters the claim of insufficient Arctic equipment but does not address broader procurement mismanagement.
The Canadian army is very well equipped to participate in various Canadian Forces exercises in the Arctic in both winter and summer conditions.
- partly answeredNational DefenceMr. Matthew Kellway (NDP) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.Answer rebuts the secrecy claim with evidence of prior public postings but avoids the 'misleading Canadians' accusation.
With respect to the investments that we have made, these investments were posted on MERX three years ago, clearly indicating Leopard 2 conversion to AEV, as was previously stated.
- misdirectedNational DefenceMs. Christine Moore (NDP) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.Answer attacks the opposition's record on investments and praises the Prime Minister instead of addressing equipment shortages.
The member opposite and her party absolutely oppose every investment that we make in the Canadian Forces.
- partly answeredNational DefenceMs. Christine Moore (NDP) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.Answer clarifies the incremental costing timeline for Libya but does not engage the 'hard time being honest' premise.
In fact, what I said was that as of October 13, figures that I have received from the department were under $50 million.
- deflectedFirearms RegistryMs. Françoise Boivin (NDP) asked Ms. Candice Hoeppner (Conservative). loaded question.Question assumes interference in provincial jurisdiction without evidence and frames a trap; answer attacks the premise and restates federal law compliance instead of addressing provincial sales records.
the member opposite is completely incorrect.
- deflectedCanada Revenue AgencyMs. Joyce Murray (Liberal) asked Gail Shea (Conservative). loaded question.Question builds on unsupported 'witch hunt' premise; answer avoids the accusation and restates general support for charities and rules.
we agree that charities are a vital part of Canadian society.
- deflectedCanada Revenue AgencyMs. Kirsty Duncan (Liberal) asked Gail Shea (Conservative). loaded question.Question assumes 'outrageous accusations' and demands hearings; answer ignores the demand and pivots to budget measures on transparency.
we have announced measures in our budget to provide more education to charities to ensure they are operating within the law
- partly answeredVeterans AffairsMr. Sean Casey (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). rhetorical question.Question is rhetorical mockery about reading the judgment; answer gives a brief factual update on review status without committing on appeal.
- deflectedThe BudgetMr. Guy Caron (NDP) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.Question assumes fear of debate and hidden effects; answer ignores transparency issue and pivots to job creation claims.
With our economic action plan, we have successfully created more than 58,000 new jobs in the past month.
- deflectedThe BudgetMr. Guy Caron (NDP) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.Question assumes lack of transparency in bill; answer avoids the point and restates general economic plan benefits.
Our budget seeks to ensure Canada's economic success in the short and medium term, and indeed long-term prosperity.
- deflectedEmploymentMs. Irene Mathyssen (NDP) asked Ms. Kellie Leitch (Conservative). loaded question.Question assumes underhanded cuts and inefficiency; answer ignores the criticism and describes the new structure positively.
This means a simple, more efficient, single window for Canadians to access appeals and the appeals process
- misdirectedEmploymentMs. Irene Mathyssen (NDP) asked Ms. Kellie Leitch (Conservative). loaded question.Question assumes improper power grab; answer calls allegations false then attacks by shifting to unrelated job numbers and urging support.
these allegations are simply false.
- misdirectedCitizenship and ImmigrationMrs. Sadia Groguhé (NDP) asked Mr. Rick Dykstra (Conservative). loaded question.Question assumes cuts are political attacks without evidence; answer attacks NDP instead of addressing health access or costs.
it would be nice, for once, if the NDP would ask a question, when it comes to immigration, that is on the right side of Canadians instead of the wrong side of Canadians.
- deflectedCitizenship and ImmigrationMr. Paul Dewar (NDP) asked Mr. Rick Dykstra (Conservative). loaded question.Question asks for cost impact but answer shifts to equality of benefits and attacks the member for not getting facts straight.
If you think they deserve more than every Canadian why do you not stand up in the House and acknowledge that?
- partly answeredAerospace IndustryMr. Paul Dewar (NDP) asked Christian Paradis (Conservative). substantive question.Question seeks yes/no commitment on funding; answer affirms commitment but omits specific yes/no or details on RADARSAT-2/3.
it is quite clear we are committed to the RADARSAT project, and this is the bottom line.
- deflectedAerospace IndustryMs. Hélène Laverdière (NDP) asked Christian Paradis (Conservative). loaded question.Question accuses of dithering and brain drain; answer pivots to general science investments without addressing RADARSAT delays or layoffs.
on the contrary, measures have been taken to ensure that massive investments were made in the area of science and technology and that there is a brain gain rather than a brain drain.
- deflectedOld Port of Montreal CorporationDenis Coderre (Liberal) asked Mr. Jacques Gourde (Conservative). substantive question.Question asks about Old Port management and speculation risks; answer addresses board departure and audit instead.
The Minister of Public Works has asked the Auditor General to conduct an independent audit to get to the bottom of any undue expenses.
- deflectedThe BudgetRalph Goodale (Liberal) asked Gail Shea (Conservative). substantive question.Question requests fix for disability savings eligibility flaw; answer discusses budget bill debate length without addressing the specific issue.
There will be seven full days of debate on the budget bill at second reading alone, before being referred to a committee.
- deflectedThe BudgetMs. Rosane Doré Lefebvre (NDP) asked Ms. Candice Hoeppner (Conservative). loaded question.Question challenges removal of CSIS oversight; answer rejects premise and emphasizes SIRC without explaining accountability change.
I reject the premise of the opposition's question.
- misdirectedThe BudgetMs. Rosane Doré Lefebvre (NDP) asked Ms. Candice Hoeppner (Conservative). loaded question.Question asks to reverse CSIS oversight changes; answer attacks member's understanding and pivots to job creation numbers.
We ask the NDP to look at what we are doing. We are creating jobs. In the last month we have created 58,000 jobs.
- deflectedHealthGeoff Regan (Liberal) asked Leona Aglukkaq (Conservative). substantive question.The answer discusses provincial contracts and government approvals but avoids addressing the voluntary reporting system's failure or Epival availability.
Our role is to ensure that drugs are safe before they enter the market.
- partly answeredFinancial InstitutionsMr. François Lapointe (NDP) asked Gail Shea (Conservative). substantive question.The answer defends the existing code and attacks the opposition but does not commit to further action on SME demands.
We continually monitor compliance.
- misdirectedManufacturing IndustryMr. Jean-François Larose (NDP) asked Christian Paradis (Conservative). substantive question.The answer attacks the NDP's tax proposals and claims job creation instead of stating actions to prevent plant closures.
Doing the opposite, as the NDP is proposing, would kill the economy.
- misdirectedThe EconomyMs. Elizabeth May (Green) asked Mr. David Anderson (Conservative). rhetorical question.The answer mocks the opposition with 'foot-in-the-mouth disease' and highlights jobs rather than explaining the economic term.
The problem on the other side is not Dutch disease, it is foot-in-the-mouth disease.