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Friday, May 4, 2012 · sitting No. 117

Commons debates budget bill as closure invoked for 18th time

The House spent the largest share of its sitting on the jobs growth and long-term prosperity act. Members continued second reading of Bill C-38, the omnibus measure that implements budget 2012 and alters dozens of statutes. The government again moved time allocation, limiting further debate.

Opposition members from the NDP and Liberal Party condemned the repeated use of closure. They argued the 425-page bill contains major changes to environmental assessment, employment insurance and other areas that require fuller scrutiny. Conservative members replied that the bill delivers on the government's platform commitments for jobs and fiscal balance.

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Who held the floor · 2012-05-04

Government (Conservative)OppositionOver the day: government 50%, opposition 50% of the words spokenGovernment businessQuestion PeriodGovernment business▲ Government side held the floor▼ Opposition held the floorOpened 10:0511:0012:00Last speech 13:20Time of day, Ottawa · the House sat 3 h 15 min · each dot is a stretch of debate, placed at the minute it began
29Another sitting that went nowhereThe House spent most of its time debating the Jobs, Growth and Long-term Prosperity Act and related topics, yet recorded no votes and advanced no bills. Question Period produced mostly deflected answers and zero points of order interrupted proceedings.AI-rated Score out of 100; the verdict and the answer ratings behind it are a model’s reading. How the AI rates this

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Other moments

National Defence

NDP MP David Christopherson questioned the inconsistency between Industry Canada figures of less than $10 billion in benefits and higher defence department estimates, while Minister Peter Van Loan defended the seven-point plan for industrial participation.

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National Parks

NDP MP Claude Gravelle said cuts hidden in the budget bill would reduce park management reviews and lay off staff, while Conservative MP Michelle Rempel said the government has protected more parkland than any previous administration.

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Employment Insurance

NDP MP Anne-Marie Day warned that changes would force workers to accept lower-paying jobs outside their region, while Minister Kellie Leitch said the reforms aim to connect Canadians with local labour-market needs.

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Ministerial Expenditures

NDP MP Paul Dewar challenged Treasury Board President Tony Clement's claim that NDP governments use drivers as freely as Ottawa, noting Manitoba ministers have no cars, while Conservative MP Andrew Saxton listed spending reductions already achieved.

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Question Period, exchange by exchange

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  1. deflected
    National DefenceMr. David Christopherson (NDP) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.The answer discusses the seven-point plan instead of addressing the benefit figures.One of those seven points involves continuing to identify opportunities for Canadian industry to participate in the joint strike fighter global supply chain.
  2. misdirected
    National DefenceMr. David Christopherson (NDP) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.The answer attacks the NDP rather than explaining why guarantees were not negotiated.The one thing that is clear, though, is that if the NDP were in government, there would be no replacement fighter jets, there would be no jobs and we probably would no longer have any aeronautics industry in Canada and no aeronautics jobs.
  3. answered
    National DefenceMr. David Christopherson (NDP) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.The answer directly quotes the deputy minister to clarify the characterization of his testimony.The deputy said: The government decided to communicate exactly the same way they have communicated since 2004 on the acquisition of major airframe assets—acquisition costs and sustainment costs.
  4. partly answered
    National DefenceMs. Christine Moore (NDP) asked Mr. Chris Alexander (Conservative). substantive question.The answer addresses transparency by outlining future independent verification but does not give a total cost figure.The costs will be independently verified by the Treasury Board, and we will—
  5. deflected
    National DefenceMs. Christine Moore (NDP) asked Mr. Chris Alexander (Conservative). loaded question.The answer defends the presentation method but avoids naming who decided on the figures communicated.We presented the costs in accordance with Canadian procurement practices.
  6. deflected
    DemocracyMr. Marc Garneau (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). rhetorical question.The answer focuses on debate time and priorities instead of addressing backbench silence on time allocation.We are proud that we have set aside more time for the debate on this bill than any other budget implementation bill in the last two decades, probably longer, but that is as far back as we went in our research.
  7. misdirected
    DemocracyMr. Marc Garneau (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.The answer attacks the Liberal leader's record rather than addressing the time allocation and democracy concerns.It is because that party is led by someone who does not recognize this kind of budget because it does not increase taxes, something his party did 32 times when he was premier of Ontario.
  8. answered
    Foreign AffairsStéphane Dion (Liberal) asked John Baird (Conservative). substantive question.The answer directly explains the decision to end the program as part of fiscal restraint.We have made decisions in the Department of Foreign Affairs on how we can best spend our valuable taxpayer dollars and we believe this is the right decision toward that end.
  9. deflected
    Budget ImplementationMr. Guy Caron (NDP) asked Ted Menzies (Conservative). loaded question.Question assumes false premise about budget not adding up and attacks motive for closure; answer attacks questioner and restates campaign points instead of addressing closure.that was very much a fact-free question.
  10. misdirected
    Budget ImplementationMr. Guy Caron (NDP) asked Ted Menzies (Conservative). substantive question.Question asks about specific Bank Act amendments infringing provincial powers; answer pivots to praising banking system without addressing jurisdiction.Four years in a row the World Economic Forum has said that Canada's banking system is the best in the world.
  11. deflected
    Budget ImplementationMrs. Nycole Turmel (NDP) asked Ted Menzies (Conservative). rhetorical question.Question rhetorically attacks closure and hidden measures; answer blames NDP for limiting debate and avoids addressing what is hidden.However, the member for Burnaby—New Westminster stood in the House and took away the privilege of every other member in the House to publicly and openly debate the budget.
  12. misdirected
    Budget ImplementationMrs. Nycole Turmel (NDP) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.Question loads premise that budget cannot be justified and attacks lack of rigour; answer attacks NDP internal consistency instead of addressing committee study.Canadians have a right to know who really speaks for the NDP.
  13. deflected
    National ParksMr. Claude Gravelle (NDP) asked Ms. Michelle Rempel (Conservative). substantive question.Question asks why changes reduce reviews and staff for parks; answer claims record protection without addressing specific cuts or duty.Our government has done more to protect Canada's natural heritage and park space than any other government in history.
  14. partly answered
    National ParksMr. Claude Gravelle (NDP) asked Ms. Michelle Rempel (Conservative). substantive question.Question asks why access and tourism are cut; answer partly addresses staffing during peak times but ignores season reductions and local economies.What we are trying to do with Canada's parks is ensure that during peak demand times Canada parks are staffed by front-line services.
  15. deflected
    Employment InsuranceMrs. Anne-Marie Day (NDP) asked Ms. Kellie Leitch (Conservative). loaded question.Question loads premise of attacking workers via lower pay; answer restates job creation priority without addressing EI condition changes.The government is making improvements to employment insurance to ensure that it is fair, continues to meet the needs of Canadians and is responsive to local labour market demands.
  16. deflected
    Employment InsuranceMrs. Anne-Marie Day (NDP) asked Ms. Kellie Leitch (Conservative). substantive question.Question asks why changes are hidden in omnibus bill and why not fix wait times; answer repeats job focus without addressing either point.We want to make sure that the employment insurance program focuses on making sure that Canadians have access to jobs in their local labour markets.
  17. deflected
    Canada Revenue AgencyMr. Hoang Mai (NDP) asked Mrs. Cathy McLeod (Conservative). substantive question.The answer describes actions taken after awareness but avoids the specific question on prior knowledge of the video.as soon as the minister was made aware of these videos, she took action and stood in the House to inform Canadians.
  18. deflected
    National ParksMr. Rodger Cuzner (Liberal) asked Ms. Michelle Rempel (Conservative). loaded question.The answer highlights government achievements on parks but does not address the specific cuts or reasons for them.I would remind my colleague opposite that his government did not protect as much park space as we have done in the last six years.
  19. misdirected
    National ParksMr. Rodger Cuzner (Liberal) asked Ms. Michelle Rempel (Conservative). substantive question.The answer attacks the Liberal Party's backbenchers instead of addressing the parks funding question.I believe it is unparliamentary to talk about where backbenchers are, so I will not mention where the backbenchers are in the Liberal Party today.
  20. answered
    ImmigrationMs. Joyce Murray (Liberal) asked Jason Kenney (Conservative). substantive question.The answer directly refutes the premise of eliminating visa services and provides facts on student visas.we are doing no such thing. We are not removing visa services from any country.
  21. deflected
    Ministerial ExpendituresMr. Paul Dewar (NDP) asked Mr. Andrew Saxton (Conservative). substantive question.The answer explains general policy on drivers but does not address the request for an apology or correction on Manitoba.Salaries and overtime for drivers employed by the public service are based on collective agreements with the unions.
  22. deflected
    Ministerial ExpendituresMr. Paul Dewar (NDP) asked Mr. Andrew Saxton (Conservative). substantive question.The answer lists government cost-cutting measures but ignores the call to learn from the NDP government.We have frozen the salaries of MPs and senators, reduced ministers' office spending, reduced the cost of travel and reduced hospitality spending.
  23. deflected
    Ministerial ExpendituresMr. Mathieu Ravignat (NDP) asked Mr. Andrew Saxton (Conservative). substantive question.The answer repeats general cost-saving statements without addressing the request for an apology regarding Nova Scotia.Ministers work long hours, and drivers frequently have to work the hours the ministers work.
  24. deflected
    Ministerial ExpendituresMr. Mathieu Ravignat (NDP) asked Mr. Andrew Saxton (Conservative). substantive question.The answer repeats prior points on cost reduction and ignores the call to learn financial wisdom from NDP governments.this is like Groundhog Day all over again.
  25. deflected
    International CooperationMr. Romeo Saganash (NDP) asked Ms. Lois Brown (Conservative). loaded question.The answer restates general aid policy commitments without addressing the specific TB funding cut or minister's spending.budget 2012 has confirmed that Canada's international development assistance will continue our commitment to make international assistance focused, effective, accountable and transparent.
  26. deflected
    International CooperationMr. Romeo Saganash (NDP) asked Ms. Lois Brown (Conservative). loaded question.The answer highlights African aid focus but avoids the listed countries and backsliding charge.The African continent continues to be Canada's largest recipient of international assistance.
  27. deflected
    Agriculture and Agri-FoodMr. Pierre Jacob (NDP) asked Mr. Pierre Lemieux (Conservative). loaded question.The answer emphasizes general agricultural success and lab consolidation without addressing the Frelighsburg closure.When it comes to different facilities and the recent budget, combining labs and expertise will ensure that this important work is carried out in better-equipped facilities with better resources.
  28. partly answered
    InfrastructureMr. Nathan Cullen (NDP) asked Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). substantive question.The answer acknowledges the tragedy and notes general infrastructure investment but does not address support for twinning Highway 63.Our government has invested in infrastructure and is achieving results.
  29. misdirected
    National DefenceCarolyn Bennett (Liberal) asked Mr. Chris Alexander (Conservative). loaded question.The answer corrects the premise on suicide rates and claims improvements while disputing the member's facts.However, the member has her facts wrong.
  30. misdirected
    National DefenceCarolyn Bennett (Liberal) asked Mr. Chris Alexander (Conservative). loaded question.The answer disputes the premise and notes the opposition's voting record instead of addressing the cuts directly.the member opposite may be insisting on these unfactual statements because her party has voted against every one of the dramatic improvements
  31. deflected
    TransportMr. Robert Aubin (NDP) asked Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). substantive question.The answer reframes the question as centralist interference and urges respect for local authorities without engaging the negotiation request.this is an example of the NDP's centralist approach.
  32. deflected
    TransportMr. Robert Aubin (NDP) asked Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). substantive question.The answer again labels the request centralist and defers to local authorities without addressing federal jurisdiction or involvement.I suggest that the NDP forget about its centralist agenda and respect Montrealers and Quebeckers.
  33. deflected
    Citizenship and ImmigrationMr. Kevin Lamoureux (Liberal) asked Jason Kenney (Conservative). substantive question.Answer shifts to criticizing Liberals' past record instead of addressing costs or remedies for affected applicants.We can see that also in the fact that, when the Liberals were in government, they admitted 17,000 parents and grandparents a year.
  34. deflected
    The EnvironmentMs. Anne Minh-Thu Quach (NDP) asked Ms. Michelle Rempel (Conservative). substantive question.Answer promotes government policy and attacks NDP but never explains why the finance committee was chosen over environment.Balance between protecting the environment and creating economic growth is a principle the NDP is absolutely not conscious of.
  35. partly answered
    PensionsMs. Manon Perreault (NDP) asked Ms. Kellie Leitch (Conservative). substantive question.Answer states no pension cuts and describes a workplace panel but does not confirm whether impact on disabled persons was specifically considered.this government is taking decisive action to aid individuals with disabilities, putting in place a special panel to make sure those individuals can be incorporated into the workplace
  36. deflected
    Government PrioritiesMr. Jean-François Fortin (Bloc) asked Mr. Paul Calandra (Conservative). loaded question.Question embeds loaded premise of undemocratic kissing up to the Queen; answer ignores the bill and consumers entirely.we will do everything in our power to make sure Canadians from all regions of this country can join us in the celebration of not only Her Majesty's 60th anniversary but the 150th celebration of this country.
  37. misdirected
    Points of OrderMr. Rodger Cuzner (Liberal) asked Ms. Michelle Rempel (Conservative). substantive question.Answer responds by warning the asker to be more careful rather than addressing the point of order about Hansard.perhaps he should be more careful when he questions where the backbenchers are on a Friday.