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Monday, April 2, 2012 · sitting No. 104
Budget debate leads Commons as opposition presses on pensions and health transfers
Government orders on the budget occupied 40 per cent of the sitting as New Democrat MP Peter Julian opened the third hour of debate by reading tweets, Facebook comments and emails from across the country that criticized the plan.
In oral questions Liberal MP Thomas Mulcair said the budget attacked services, transfers and retirement income in contradiction of earlier promises by the Prime Minister, while Conservative MP Peter Van Loan replied that the plan creates jobs and that higher taxes would cost workers employment.
Liberal MP Bob Rae pressed the government on its criticism of Ontario finances and on old age security, and NDP MP Wayne Marston asked why the government would cut a sustainable program.
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Who held the floor · 2012-04-02
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- deflectedThe BudgetMr. Thomas Mulcair (NDP) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.The answer ignores the specific promises mentioned and pivots to general job creation talking points.
Our policies are focused on job creation, economic growth and the long-term prosperity of this country so that we have jobs for Canadians, not just today and tomorrow, but indeed, for decades to come in the future.
- deflectedThe BudgetMr. Thomas Mulcair (NDP) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.The answer lists general job measures but does not address Aveos or the yes/no request.
our economic action plan includes concrete job creation measures, such as a hiring credit for small businesses and measures to help young people acquire skills and experience through a youth employment strategy.
- misdirectedThe BudgetMr. Thomas Mulcair (NDP) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.The answer attacks the questioner's tax policy instead of addressing the listed service cuts.
His approach is one of increasing taxes.
- deflectedThe BudgetMr. Peter Julian (NDP) asked Christian Paradis (Conservative). loaded question.The answer cites past job numbers but does not address the budget's projected job losses.
since we adopted this approach in 2009, 610,000 net new jobs have been created in Canada, 90% of which are full time.
- deflectedThe BudgetMr. Peter Julian (NDP) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). substantive question.The answer lists budget measures but cuts off without addressing rising unemployment or GDP forecasts.
I was hoping that the weekend would afford the members opposite an opportunity to read the budget, but it is apparent from the questions we are getting that they have not had an opportunity to read about the hiring credit for small business to encourage more than 500,000 small business owners to hire more people;
- misdirectedIntergovernmental AffairsBob Rae (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.The answer attacks the asker's Ontario record instead of explaining the focus on one province.
When he was premier of the Province of Ontario he increased taxes 22 different ways.
- misdirectedIntergovernmental AffairsBob Rae (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.The answer again attacks the asker's record and pivots to unrelated topics rather than addressing selective provincial criticism.
I understand why the leader of the third party has a hard time hearing criticism about poor fiscal management, since we all know his track record.
- deflectedPensionsBob Rae (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.The answer discusses parliamentary pensions but does not address the Prime Minister's special allowance or age change.
this budget is clear. It sets us on a course that ensures that the retirement allowances of parliamentarians will be brought into line with those of the private sector.
- partly answeredThe BudgetMr. Robert Chisholm (NDP) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). loaded question.The answer cites specific budget spending on jobs but does not address the core claim of economic irresponsibility.
In it he will see, in table 3.0 on page 50, expenditures of more $3 billion over the next three years to support jobs and growth in Canada.
- deflectedThe BudgetMr. Robert Chisholm (NDP) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). loaded question.The answer shifts to long-term fiscal outlook and global leadership without engaging the cited criticisms from manufacturers or economists.
We are looking all the way up to 2020 and beyond, to make sure that we have a solid fiscal track for our country.
- deflectedPensionsMr. Wayne Marston (NDP) asked Ms. Kellie Leitch (Conservative). loaded question.The answer pivots to future generations and attacks the NDP instead of addressing OAS/GIS impacts on provinces or veterans.
unlike the NDP that does not have the foresight to think ahead.
- deflectedPensionsMr. Wayne Marston (NDP) asked Ms. Kellie Leitch (Conservative). loaded question.The answer quotes an economist on demographics but does not respond to the call for strengthening CPP/QPP.
We do have a major issue down the road dealing with demographic pressures.... Hats off to Canada.
- answeredPensionsMs. Lysane Blanchette-Lamothe (NDP) asked Ms. Kellie Leitch (Conservative). substantive question.The answer directly states the plan to compensate provinces for added social-service costs from the OAS change.
we will be compensating the provinces to make sure they can provide the social services seniors need.
- deflectedPensionsMs. Lysane Blanchette-Lamothe (NDP) asked Ms. Kellie Leitch (Conservative). loaded question.The answer repeats demographic math and urges budget support but ignores the F-35 comparison and actuarial sustainability claims.
Today there are four people for every one senior to support OAS; in 2030, that will be two to one.
- deflectedHealthMs. Libby Davies (NDP) asked Leona Aglukkaq (Conservative). loaded question.The answer rebuts the transfer-cut claim with aggregate numbers but does not address Health Canada cuts or pharmacare silence.
federal transfers for health care will increase faster than provincial spending.
- misdirectedHealthMs. Libby Davies (NDP) asked Leona Aglukkaq (Conservative). loaded question.The answer lists supportive organizations instead of engaging the $30-billion provincial cost figure or the broken-promise allegation.
Some words of expression of support for the budget have come from the Mental Health Commission of Canada, Rx&D, the Rick Hansen Foundation, Canada's universities, and the Mood Disorder Society.
- deflectedScience and TechnologyMs. Hélène LeBlanc (NDP) asked Christian Paradis (Conservative). loaded question.Answer promotes budget positives without addressing NRC transformation or brain drain.
this budget is a golden opportunity to focus on efficiency and results.
- deflectedElections CanadaMr. Marc Garneau (Liberal) asked Tim Uppal (Conservative). loaded question.Answer ignores attacks on Elections Canada and pivots to an unrelated motion.
the opposition brought a motion before the House a few weeks ago.
- deflectedElections CanadaMr. Justin Trudeau (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.Answer shifts to budget savings praise instead of addressing the funding cut or investigation.
What we are very impressed with, though, is that Elections Canada has stepped forward as part of a government-wide effort to work to ensure that we have a balanced budget
- deflectedNational DefenceJohn McKay (Liberal) asked Julian Fantino (Conservative). loaded question.Answer avoids procurement criticism by noting Liberal origins and refusing to comment on the upcoming report.
It would be totally inappropriate for me to comment on the Auditor General's report, which we welcome tomorrow.
- misdirectedNational DefenceMs. Christine Moore (NDP) asked Julian Fantino (Conservative). substantive question.Answer gives no number and repeats partnership history instead of addressing the budget question.
We have not as yet signed a contract to purchase any aircraft and we will ensure we will have the right aircraft for the Royal Canadian Air Force.
- deflectedNational DefenceMr. Matthew Kellway (NDP) asked Julian Fantino (Conservative). substantive question.Answer avoids affordability math and repeats program participation without answering.
We will, in essence, make the decisions at the appropriate time in the best interest of our Royal Canadian Air Force, and of course Canadians generally.
- partly answeredSearch and RescueMr. Jack Harris (NDP) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.Answer clarifies response times but ignores the mandate contradiction in the question.
the Canadian Forces respond each and every time as quickly as possible.
- deflectedSearch and RescueMr. Ryan Cleary (NDP) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.Answer defends forces and blames province/weather instead of addressing inquiry request.
The primary responsibility for ground search and rescue, as the member knows full well, rests with the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador in this case.
- deflectedThe EnvironmentMs. Megan Leslie (NDP) asked Mr. David Anderson (Conservative). loaded question.Answer shifts to general economic focus without addressing the northern gateway timeline or sham claim.
unlike the NDP, our government is focused on jobs, growth and long-term prosperity.
- deflectedThe EnvironmentMr. Romeo Saganash (NDP) asked Mr. David Anderson (Conservative). loaded question.Answer lists reforms then counters with a partisan question instead of defending legal obligations.
Why are the member and his party opposite so opposed to timely reviews, protecting the environment and consulting with aboriginal Canadians?
- partly answeredPublic Appointments CommissionMs. Peggy Nash (NDP) asked Mr. Andrew Saxton (Conservative). loaded question.Answer defends merit-based process but ignores the broken promise and waste questions.
Appointments will continue to be made based on merit.
- deflectedPublic Appointments CommissionMr. Alexandre Boulerice (NDP) asked Mr. Andrew Saxton (Conservative). loaded question.Answer blames opposition for past failure then restates openness without addressing partisan appointments.
as the member opposite knows, we tried to appoint a public appointments commissioner but it was the opposition that chose to play partisan games and prevented that appointment from happening.
- deflectedThe EnvironmentMs. Kirsty Duncan (Liberal) asked Peter Kent (Conservative). loaded question.Answer lists renewed funding but avoids the muzzling and dissent questions entirely.
this budget demonstrates the Government of Canada's full commitment to a strong environmental agenda even as we take significant action to address fiscal issues and the deficit.
- partly answeredThe EnvironmentMs. Kirsty Duncan (Liberal) asked Peter Kent (Conservative). substantive question.Answer acknowledges the quotation and thanks the round table but does not name replacement organizations.
I have expressed our government's appreciation and thanks to the round table for its service over the decades
- deflectedTelecommunications IndustryMr. Glenn Thibeault (NDP) asked Christian Paradis (Conservative). loaded question.Answer promotes spectrum auction and broadband but ignores the pay-phone fee increase request.
this government has taken unprecedented measures to ensure that all Canadians have access to quality services.
- deflectedTelecommunications IndustryMr. Pierre Dionne Labelle (NDP) asked Christian Paradis (Conservative). loaded question.Answer cites CRTC independence and other programs without addressing the pay-phone fee proposal.
once again, the CRTC is responsible for the regulations.
- deflectedSearch and RescueMs. Judy Foote (Liberal) asked Mr. Randy Kamp (Conservative). loaded question.The answer promotes the change as positive without addressing the specific safety concerns or letter cited.
We think it is a positive change and we are continuing on with it.
- misdirectedCitizenship and ImmigrationMrs. Sadia Groguhé (NDP) asked Mr. Rick Dykstra (Conservative). loaded question.The response counters by highlighting unilingual French members rather than addressing the specific appointments or acceptance rates.
If the member is asking us to dispose of nine unilingual French speaking judges in Quebec, I would ask her to explain why to the House of Commons.
- deflectedNational Council of WelfareMrs. Carol Hughes (NDP) asked Ms. Kellie Leitch (Conservative). loaded question.The answer focuses on jobs and duplication without addressing the council's role or alleged hiding of facts.
the best way to fight poverty is to ensure Canadians have a job, which is exactly what budget 2012 is doing.
- deflectedAir TransportationMrs. Maria Mourani (Bloc) asked Denis Lebel (Conservative). substantive question.The answer states non-intervention due to safety but pivots to the mayor's agreement instead of addressing regulatory compliance.
We will not intervene in this matter because safety is not at issue.