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Friday, March 30, 2012 · sitting No. 103

Commons opens budget debate as opposition attacks pension and health changes

Government orders business on the budget consumed the largest share of sitting time. NDP MP Peter Julian opened the debate by reading public reactions and accusing the government of broken promises on jobs and spending. The debate continues.

Question period featured repeated clashes over the budget. NDP MP Peter Julian and Liberal MP Bob Rae pressed the government on projected job losses, old age security changes and health transfers. Conservative ministers John Baird, Kellie Leitch and Leona Aglukkaq defended the measures as necessary for long-term sustainability.

Other exchanges covered environmental cuts, aviation safety and foreign aid. Members from all parties cited specific budget figures and constituent concerns.

From the Hansard record of the sitting. Full Hansard

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Who held the floor · 2012-03-30

Government (Conservative)OppositionOver the day: government 39%, opposition 61% of the words spokenGovernment businessMembers' statementsQuestion PeriodRoutine proceedingsGovernment business▲ Government side held the floor▼ Opposition held the floorOpened 10:0511:0012:00Last speech 12:55Time of day, Ottawa · the House sat 2 h 50 min · each dot is a stretch of debate, placed at the minute it began
29Another sitting that went nowhereThe sitting focused almost entirely on the budget and related topics yet produced no recorded votes or bill progress. Question period yielded almost no clear answers while procedural interruptions remained minimal.AI-rated Score out of 100; the verdict and the answer ratings behind it are a model’s reading. How the AI rates this

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Other moments

The Environment

NDP MP Dennis Bevington said the budget kills the National Round Table on the Environment and the Economy and asked whether the government believes in climate change. Environment minister Peter Kent replied that many other organizations now provide such advice.

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Aviation Safety

NDP MP Mathieu Ravignat said cuts to the air transportation safety budget and the refusal to protect Aveos jobs endanger travellers. Conservative MP Pierre Poilievre said the government will not provide a bailout for a bankrupt firm that wasted a billion dollars.

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Canadian Broadcasting Corporation

NDP MP Craig Scott said the $115-million cut to the CBC will reduce Canadian programming. Conservative MP Paul Calandra said the government has increased arts funding more than any previous administration and that the NDP voted against those investments.

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Youth

Liberal MP Justin Trudeau said ending Katimavik is foolish because the program is valuable and provides community service. Conservative MP Paul Calandra said the program received 99 per cent of its funding from Ottawa and the new plan will focus on jobs for young Canadians.

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Persons with Disabilities

Liberal MP Ralph Goodale said people with progressive diseases such as MS cannot open registered disability savings plans until they qualify for the disability tax credit. Conservative MP Kellie Leitch said the government created the plan and members should encourage families to register.

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Question Period, exchange by exchange

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  1. deflected
    The BudgetMr. Peter Julian (NDP) asked John Baird (Conservative). loaded question.Question assumes budget is out of touch without evidence; answer promotes government plan and challenges opposition instead of addressing priorities.We need the NDP to finally agree to support plans and proposals that will actually create jobs in this country.
  2. deflected
    The BudgetMr. Peter Julian (NDP) asked John Baird (Conservative). loaded question.Question assumes budget fails on jobs with rising unemployment; answer cites past job numbers and avoids future projections.Since the bottom of the recession, we have seen the Canadian economy create 610,000 net new jobs.
  3. deflected
    The BudgetMr. Peter Julian (NDP) asked John Baird (Conservative). loaded question.Question assumes budget harms workers and forces ideology; answer repeats job creation claims without addressing specific cuts or solidarity.Over the past two years, over 600,000 new jobs have been created in Canada.
  4. deflected
    The BudgetMr. Robert Chisholm (NDP) asked Mrs. Shelly Glover (Conservative). loaded question.Question assumes broken promises on pensions and health; answer quotes selective stakeholder praise and urges NDP support.A number of stakeholders have said this is the right budget at the right time for all Canadians across this country.
  5. misdirected
    The BudgetMr. Robert Chisholm (NDP) asked Mrs. Shelly Glover (Conservative). loaded question.Question assumes broken word on cuts; answer attacks NDP past proposals instead of addressing keeping promises.
  6. partly answered
    PensionsBob Rae (Liberal) asked John Baird (Conservative). substantive question.Question asks why OAS changes despite no crisis; answer explains demographic rationale and international examples.In the 1970s there were seven workers supporting every retiree.
  7. partly answered
    PensionsBob Rae (Liberal) asked John Baird (Conservative). substantive question.Question challenges punishing vulnerable if no crisis; answer ties changes to long-term balancing and notice period.These proposals will not come into effect until over 10 years from now, in 2023.
  8. answered
    41st General ElectionBob Rae (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.Question asks why cut Elections Canada amid complaints; answer states officer has resources and supports efficiency plan.the Chief Electoral Officer said he has all the resources he needs to do his job.
  9. partly answered
    PensionsMs. Lysane Blanchette-Lamothe (NDP) asked Ms. Kellie Leitch (Conservative). loaded question.Answer explains the policy rationale but does not address the accusation of attacking seniors.We are doing that so young people in this country will actually have access to OAS in the future.
  10. deflected
    PensionsMs. Lysane Blanchette-Lamothe (NDP) asked Ms. Kellie Leitch (Conservative). loaded question.Answer repeats demographic math and sustainability without addressing provincial health costs or vulnerability claims.That is an increase from $32 billion to over $108 billion as an expenditure.
  11. misdirected
    PensionsMr. Dan Harris (NDP) asked Mrs. Shelly Glover (Conservative). loaded question.Answer shifts to praising transfer increases and attacks NDP tax agenda instead of addressing the Prime Minister quote contradiction.it is shocking to hear the misleading statements being made by the NDP.
  12. misdirected
    PensionsMr. Dan Harris (NDP) asked Ms. Kellie Leitch (Conservative). loaded question.Answer attacks the member's voting record rather than addressing the $12,000 loss or retirement security concerns.I just do not understand how the hon. member has the gall to get up and say that in this House when he has voted against all of these initiatives.
  13. deflected
    HealthMrs. Carol Hughes (NDP) asked Leona Aglukkaq (Conservative). loaded question.Answer disputes the cut claim with transfer totals but ignores the new funding formula and provincial concerns.The opposition's claim that the health transfers are being cut is absolutely false.
  14. deflected
    HealthMrs. Carol Hughes (NDP) asked Leona Aglukkaq (Conservative). loaded question.Answer again disputes math on cuts while restating record transfers without addressing the PBO figure or broken promise.Again, only the NDP could do math that would say that increasing funding to the provinces and territories in health care to $40 billion is a cut.
  15. misdirected
    The EnvironmentMs. Rosane Doré Lefebvre (NDP) asked Peter Kent (Conservative). loaded question.Answer attacks NDP lobbying on resources instead of addressing environmental protection cuts or oil spill risks.if the NDP members would stop lobbying against new jobs in the resource sector and stop their campaign against responsibly regulated resource development, they would have a great deal more credibility in their professed concern for the environment.
  16. partly answered
    The EnvironmentMr. Dennis Bevington (NDP) asked Peter Kent (Conservative). loaded question.Answer justifies ending the round table by citing other sources but does not address muzzling scientists or climate change belief.There are now any number of organizations and university based services that provide those services.
  17. deflected
    Canada Revenue AgencyMr. Hoang Mai (NDP) asked Mrs. Cathy McLeod (Conservative). loaded question.The answer discusses general compliance and transparency without addressing the $8 million fund or freedom of expression infringement.the changes announced in the budget will provide education to charities to ensure they are operating within the laws and with more transparency to Canadians who donate so generously.
  18. partly answered
    The EnvironmentMs. Kirsty Duncan (Liberal) asked Peter Kent (Conservative). loaded question.The answer lists some renewed funding items but ignores the alleged cuts, muzzling and legislative changes while attacking the question.I know my hon. colleague is doing her best to find something to complain about with regard to the environmental chapters in the budget but the fact is that we renewed full funding to protect species at risk.
  19. deflected
    PensionsJohn McCallum (Liberal) asked Ms. Kellie Leitch (Conservative). loaded question.The answer addresses future sustainability but avoids the $30,000 loss claim and comparison to PMO spending.old age security, as I have mentioned, will not be changed for seniors, for individuals who are a little older than me but maybe not as old as the member opposite.
  20. deflected
    Persons with DisabilitiesRalph Goodale (Liberal) asked Ms. Kellie Leitch (Conservative). substantive question.The answer promotes the existing plan but does not address the eligibility gap for those whose disability develops gradually.this government took unprecedented action by putting in place the registered disability savings plan.
  21. misdirected
    Canadian Food Inspection AgencyMr. Jean Rousseau (NDP) asked Mr. Pierre Lemieux (Conservative). loaded question.The answer highlights new funding and challenges the asker to vote for it instead of addressing reduced inspections or nut-free monitoring.I would like to know if this member, after that lengthy question, will actually stand in his place and support this positive measure for improving food safety here in Canada?
  22. misdirected
    Canadian Food Inspection AgencyMr. Jean Rousseau (NDP) asked Mr. Pierre Lemieux (Conservative). substantive question.The answer repeats prior funding figures and questions the member's vote rather than explaining the $56 million cut.I really do not understand my colleague's question at all.
  23. deflected
    Aviation SafetyMr. Mathieu Ravignat (NDP) asked Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). loaded question.The answer defends overall safety spending but pivots to criticizing the NDP on Aveos instead of the 7% budget cut.Yesterday, the NDP announced that it wants a bailout plan for Aveos, which has wasted $1 billion, has declared bankruptcy, and is refusing to appear before a parliamentary committee to tell its side of the story.
  24. deflected
    Aviation SafetyMr. Mathieu Ravignat (NDP) asked Steven Fletcher (Conservative). loaded question.The answer calls the question alarming and disappointing while claiming savings will not affect safety but does not address the specific cuts or Aveos jobs.this member's rhetoric is really alarming and disappointing.
  25. partly answered
    The BudgetMs. Alexandrine Latendresse (NDP) asked Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). substantive question.Addresses infrastructure age but ignores job creation and other listed lacks.Our infrastructure is younger and more up to date than it has been in the past 30 years.
  26. partly answered
    The BudgetMs. Rathika Sitsabaiesan (NDP) asked Steven Fletcher (Conservative). loaded question.Denies premise of punishing areas and notes funding but does not fully engage the accusation.in fact, that member is wrong. Many MPs from the cities are Conservatives, but many are not.
  27. partly answered
    The BudgetMs. Françoise Boivin (NDP) asked John Baird (Conservative). substantive question.Explains job numbers and deficits but pivots away from the minister defending the local economy.The biggest threat to public services in Canada is skyrocketing deficits and out-of-control spending.
  28. deflected
    The BudgetMr. Paul Dewar (NDP) asked Mr. Andrew Saxton (Conservative). rhetorical question.Restates budget goals without addressing specific public service job losses or hope for services.Public servants who lose their jobs will be treated fairly.
  29. misdirected
    Public SafetyBob Rae (Liberal) asked Ms. Candice Hoeppner (Conservative). loaded question.Attacks the asker with smears instead of addressing the policy question on vigilantism.these baseless smears against the hon. member for Yorkton—Melville are terrible.
  30. deflected
    YouthMr. Justin Trudeau (Liberal) asked Mr. Paul Calandra (Conservative). substantive question.Justifies by cost and shifts to other programs without addressing the positive assessment or reversing the decision.It costs $28,000 for every young person it supports.
  31. partly answered
    Canadian Broadcasting CorporationMr. Craig Scott (NDP) asked Mr. Paul Calandra (Conservative). substantive question.Highlights past investments but does not directly address the CBC cuts or intent to cripple it.We asked our friends at the CBC to be part of helping us bring our budget back into balance.
  32. deflected
    Canadian Broadcasting CorporationMs. Hélène Laverdière (NDP) asked Mr. Paul Calandra (Conservative). rhetorical question.Shifts blame to opposition votes rather than addressing current cuts to CBC and culture.Unfortunately, the NDP and the Liberals voted against all those investments.
  33. deflected
    Employment InsuranceMr. Scott Andrews (Liberal) asked Ms. Kellie Leitch (Conservative). substantive question.The answer promotes general EI improvements and job matching without addressing seasonal fish plant workers or assuring no changes to their benefits.The government is making improvements to the EI program to ensure that it is fair, continues to meet the needs of Canadians and is responsive to local labour market demands.
  34. deflected
    International CooperationMrs. Sana Hassainia (NDP) asked Bev Oda (Conservative). substantive question.The answer emphasizes accountability and effective aid delivery but avoids explaining the aid cuts or why they are necessary.However, first and foremost, we are accountable to hard-working Canadians whose tax dollars we are spending.
  35. partly answered
    National DefenceMr. Dany Morin (NDP) asked Julian Fantino (Conservative). substantive question.The answer notes cost-saving measures and a return to normal operations but provides no specifics on the extent of cuts to bases like Bagotville.Over the past two years, we have examined ways to implement cost-saving measures to ensure efficiency and effectiveness combined with the end of the combat missions.
  36. deflected
    The BudgetMr. Jean-François Fortin (Bloc) asked Mr. Jacques Gourde (Conservative). rhetorical question.The question is a rhetorical complaint rather than a genuine query, and the answer pivots to positive budget priorities without engaging the listed grievances.our budget focuses on Quebeckers' real priorities: jobs, economic growth and long-term prosperity.