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Wednesday, September 21, 2011 · sitting No. 17

Commons opens debate on omnibus crime bill as second reading begins

The House spent the largest share of the sitting on second reading of Bill C-10, the Safe Streets and Communities Act. Justice Minister Rob Nicholson moved the bill and said the measures would stand up for victims of crime. New Democrat public safety critic Joe Comartin and Liberal MP Geoff Regan pressed the government to disclose the projected costs to federal and provincial budgets.

Question period featured repeated exchanges on the economy. NDP Leader Nycole Turmel and Finance Minister Jim Flaherty clashed over the IMF outlook and job creation figures. Liberal finance critic Scott Brison and the finance minister traded charges over the cost of outside consultants hired to review government spending.

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Who held the floor · 2011-09-21

Government (Conservative)OppositionOver the day: government 48%, opposition 52% of the words spokenQuestion PeriodRoutine proceedingsGovernment business▲ Government side held the floor▼ Opposition held the floorOpened 14:0015:0016:0017:00Last speech 18:30Time of day, Ottawa · the House sat 4 h 30 min · each dot is a stretch of debate, placed at the minute it began
72Bills Introduced Amid Long Crime DebateThe House devoted most of its time to debate on the Safe Streets and Communities Act and other topics, with four private members' bills introduced. Question period produced more deflected answers than clear ones and the Speaker issued four calls to order.AI-rated Score out of 100; the verdict and the answer ratings behind it are a model’s reading. How the AI rates this

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Other moments

International Day of Peace

New Democrat MP Christine Moore and Conservative MP Shelly Glover both marked the 30th anniversary of the International Day of Peace and urged greater attention to victims of conflict.

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Aboriginal Affairs

New Democrat MP Linda Duncan said the Walk 4 Justice had reached Ottawa and called for a national inquiry into cases tracked by Sisters in Spirit.

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Taxation

New Democrat MP Hoang Mai asked the government to investigate claims that CRA officials helped a convicted fraudster evade taxes, and Revenue Minister Gail Shea said the RCMP was already examining the matter.

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G8 Summit

New Democrat MP Charlie Angus questioned whether bureaucrats had misled the Auditor General about their role in the Muskoka projects, and Minister of State Deepak Obhrai said all funds had been accounted for.

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Question Period, exchange by exchange

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  1. deflected
    The EconomyMrs. Nycole Turmel (NDP) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). loaded question.The answer repeats government talking points on fiscal position without addressing the IMF report or unemployment figures raised.Canada is doing relatively well.
  2. deflected
    The EconomyMrs. Nycole Turmel (NDP) asked Christian Paradis (Conservative). loaded question.The answer promotes the economic action plan and G7 rankings instead of responding to the claim of 420,000 missing jobs.A total of 600,000 net new jobs have been created in Canada since the recession began.
  3. misdirected
    The EconomyMrs. Nycole Turmel (NDP) asked Christian Paradis (Conservative). substantive question.The answer attacks the NDP tax plan rather than addressing the cited warnings from Scotiabank, Moody's and the IMF.On the other hand, the NDP is proposing plans to increase taxes by $10 billion a year.
  4. misdirected
    The EconomyMs. Peggy Nash (NDP) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). substantive question.The answer corrects a premise about oil-company taxes and pivots to criticizing the NDP instead of addressing household cost pressures.The oil companies pay the same taxes as other Canadian businesses pay.
  5. partly answered
    The EconomyMs. Peggy Nash (NDP) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). substantive question.The answer acknowledges high unemployment and lists job-creation measures but does not address the specific request for immediate action on household debt or oil-company tax breaks.We have about 600,000 net new jobs in Canada today since the end of the recession.
  6. deflected
    Government SpendingBob Rae (Liberal) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). loaded question.The answer attacks the questioner's Ontario record and defends hiring consultants without addressing the $20-million consultant paradox.Yes, we are having experts from outside look at government spending.
  7. deflected
    Canada-United States RelationsBob Rae (Liberal) asked Ed Fast (Conservative). substantive question.The answer states general trade goals but does not address whether ending buy-American discrimination should be part of perimeter-security talks.Sixty per cent of our GDP is comprised of trade.
  8. deflected
    Canada-United States RelationsBob Rae (Liberal) asked Ed Fast (Conservative). substantive question.The answer claims the issues can be handled separately and attacks the opposition instead of explaining why discrimination is excluded from the negotiations.Given our strong and mature relationship with the United States, we can separately address our concerns regarding the buy American provisions.
  9. deflected
    Service CanadaMs. Jean Crowder (NDP) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). loaded question.Answer justifies consultant spending via expected savings but avoids addressing the specific $90k/day figure or service cuts.For every $1 of spending on experts, we expect $200 of savings, which is a pretty good deal.
  10. misdirected
    Service CanadaMs. Jean Crowder (NDP) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). loaded question.Answer shifts to jobs record and IMF quote instead of addressing consultant spending or unemployment concerns raised.The record on jobs is about 600,000 net new jobs as a result of the economic action plan.
  11. deflected
    Service CanadaMs. Irene Mathyssen (NDP) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). loaded question.Answer defends program review and consultants in general but sidesteps rural seniors impact and specific daily consultant cost.Certainly, it is the obligation of government to get the best advice we can, including the advice we will get from outside consultants.
  12. partly answered
    Service CanadaMr. Matthew Dubé (NDP) asked Diane Finley (Conservative). substantive question.Answer explains modernization goal for EI processing to free staff time for seniors, directly addressing service impact query.With an automated system, Service Canada employees will have more time to help seniors, and this will be more affordable for seniors.
  13. answered
    TaxationMr. Hoang Mai (NDP) asked Gail Shea (Conservative). substantive question.Answer directly states CRA is cooperating with RCMP on the ongoing investigation into the fraud allegations.CRA officials are working with the RCMP, and the investigation is ongoing.
  14. answered
    TaxationMr. Hoang Mai (NDP) asked Gail Shea (Conservative). substantive question.Answer confirms RCMP investigation and commitment to resolve the CRA matter raised.CRA officials are working with the RCMP, and we will get to the bottom of the issue.
  15. deflected
    G8 SummitMr. Charlie Angus (NDP) asked Mr. Deepak Obhrai (Conservative). loaded question.Answer pivots to project budget outcomes and ignores questions on bureaucrats' Auditor General statements or promotions.All 32 projects came in on or under budget.
  16. misdirected
    G8 SummitMr. Charlie Angus (NDP) asked Mr. Deepak Obhrai (Conservative). loaded question.Answer denies premise then lists unrelated infrastructure projects instead of addressing minister's alleged meetings with mayors.This infrastructure funding was recommended by the municipalities.
  17. deflected
    G20 SummitMr. Andrew Cash (NDP) asked Mr. Deepak Obhrai (Conservative). loaded question.The answer defends the existing independent claims process without addressing additional reimbursements or protocol fixes for Toronto businesses.The claims process is an independent process that has been in place since the previous government in 2001 and has been used successfully at previous summits.
  18. answered
    Government SpendingScott Brison (Liberal) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). substantive question.The answer directly explains the rationale for using private-sector consultants and expected savings from the expenditure.For every $1 of spending on experts, we expect $200 of savings.
  19. misdirected
    Government SpendingScott Brison (Liberal) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). loaded question.The answer attacks the Liberal record in Ontario instead of addressing the question on outsourcing decisions to consultants.as if the leader of the Liberal Party then and the NDP did not do enough damage to Ontario between 1990 and 1995, now we have the member from the third party here saying that the Liberals did a good job on deficit reduction through their work.
  20. partly answered
    The EnvironmentMs. Kirsty Duncan (Liberal) asked Peter Kent (Conservative). substantive question.The answer begins to address the claim about ending ozone monitoring but is cut off before completing the response.We are not ending any of our ozone monitoring services or closing down the World Ozone and Ultraviolet Radiation Data Centre.
  21. deflected
    The EnvironmentRalph Goodale (Liberal) asked Peter Kent (Conservative). rhetorical question.The answer reframes the issue around optimization without confirming or denying the specific job loss or program termination.No, we are optimizing and streamlining the way we monitor and we measure ozone to operate more effectively.
  22. deflected
    JusticeMr. Joe Comartin (NDP) asked Mr. David Anderson (Conservative). substantive question.The answer interrupts and does not engage with the question on the omnibus crime bill.
  23. misdirected
    JusticeMr. Joe Comartin (NDP) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). substantive question.The answer shifts to criticizing the questioner on fiscal conservatism and victim support instead of providing cost estimates for the bill.Why do those members not stand up for victims of crime for a change?
  24. misdirected
    JusticeMr. Joe Comartin (NDP) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). substantive question.The answer highlights provincial support and past funding increases rather than disclosing projected costs to provinces from the bill.Provinces right across the country have been supportive of these government initiatives.
  25. answered
    JusticeMs. Charmaine Borg (NDP) asked Vic Toews (Conservative). loaded question.The answer directly confirms no warrantless access to private communications while rejecting the premise.What this will not allow for is access to private communications without a warrant.
  26. deflected
    JusticeMr. Pierre-Luc Dusseault (NDP) asked Vic Toews (Conservative). loaded question.The answer calls the claim outrageous and promises future legislation with oversight rather than confirming abandonment.This type of outrageous claim that lawful access would not be appropriately enacted by our government is simply that, outrageous.
  27. answered
    Aboriginal AffairsMs. Linda Duncan (NDP) asked John Duncan (Conservative). loaded question.The answer explains the outreach strategy and court approval to address compensation for all survivors.This overall outreach strategy was developed by all parties to the settlement and approved by the courts.
  28. answered
    Aboriginal AffairsMs. Linda Duncan (NDP) asked John Duncan (Conservative). loaded question.The answer details major education investments and the national panel to counter the premise of inaction.we have made major investments in education and in other developments to a degree that no other government has ever done.
  29. answered
    Aboriginal AffairsMs. Mylène Freeman (NDP) asked Rona Ambrose (Conservative). loaded question.The answer describes ongoing work with community organizations to support victims and rejects shutting out voices.Through our national strategy to deal with this very difficult issue of murdered and missing aboriginal women, we have a community, a fund component that we are working very closely with community organizations in aboriginal communities across the country.
  30. answered
    Aboriginal AffairsMs. Mylène Freeman (NDP) asked Rona Ambrose (Conservative). loaded question.The answer provides funding figures and details collaboration with law enforcement and organizations to assist communities.Just to put it into perspective, just one organization, the Native Women's Association of Canada, has received almost $20 million from our government alone.
  31. answered
    Service CanadaMr. Rodger Cuzner (Liberal) asked Diane Finley (Conservative). substantive question.The answer explains the temporary nature of recession hires and improved service standards.Fortunately, thanks to our economic action plan, more Canadians are at work now than ever before, so there is not the same need to hire people to process the claims.
  32. partly answered
    Service CanadaMr. Rodger Cuzner (Liberal) asked Diane Finley (Conservative). loaded question.The answer addresses automation and back-office changes but does not address the specific regional job cuts raised.We want to bring the system into the 21st century by automating applications for EI and the processing of them.
  33. deflected
    The EnvironmentMs. Megan Leslie (NDP) asked Peter Kent (Conservative). loaded question.The answer avoids defining basic services or addressing the 43% cut by restating general priorities.I can assure her that budget 2011, while it did reassign some resources, can cover without compromising any of the programs of my department.
  34. deflected
    The EnvironmentMs. Megan Leslie (NDP) asked Peter Kent (Conservative). substantive question.The answer explains process but provides no evidence of impacts as repeatedly requested.The proof will be in the pudding as we continue to deliver the services for cleaner air and for protecting our great public spaces for the good of the people of Canada.
  35. partly answered
    Official LanguagesMauril Bélanger (Liberal) asked Denis Lebel (Conservative). loaded question.The answer affirms responsibility but does not address introducing legislation or the promise.Air Canada is responsible for meeting its official language requirements with its partner companies.
  36. answered
    Citizenship and ImmigrationMr. Don Davies (NDP) asked Mr. Rick Dykstra (Conservative). substantive question.The answer directly explains referral to RCMP and why further comment is inappropriate.Those allegations have been provided to the RCMP.
  37. misdirected
    Prime Minister's Director of CommunicationsMs. Élaine Michaud (NDP) asked Christian Paradis (Conservative). loaded question.The answer shifts to listing past achievements and attacks the opposition instead of addressing the hiring.Instead of impugning motives, I will state the facts.
  38. partly answered
    The EnvironmentMs. Elizabeth May (Green) asked Peter Kent (Conservative). substantive question.The answer reassures on services but ignores the request to withdraw letters threatening jobs.we are not cutting any ozone monitoring services or closing the centre.