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Tuesday, December 8, 2009 · sitting No. 126
Commons opens debate on provincial choice tax framework act
The House spent nearly half the sitting on second reading of the provincial choice tax framework act. Parliamentary secretary Ted Menzies told members the bill simply confirms that provincial taxation is a provincial responsibility and urged quick passage to meet January 1 deadlines set by Ontario and British Columbia. NDP MP Brian Masse called the measure an implementation of a tax on Canadian citizens that would require borrowing to finance rebates.
In Question Period Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff pressed the government over its handling of Afghan detainee reports, citing field notes from June 2006 that showed a detainee beaten after transfer by Canadian troops. Conservative MP John Baird replied that officials act on credible information and pointed to statements by General Walter Natynczyk that the individual in question had not been detained by Canadian Forces.
Bloc Québécois leader Gilles Duceppe questioned Environment Minister Christian Paradis on why Ottawa uses 2006 rather than 1990 as the base year for greenhouse-gas targets and sets a 3 per cent reduction goal while Quebec aims for 20 per cent.
Decided that day
- Provincial Choice Tax Framework Act read a second time and referred to Finance Committee
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Who held the floor · 2009-12-08
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Other moments
Afghanistan
Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff said Canadian soldiers took photographs of a beaten detainee in June 2006 and reported the incident, yet the government took no action for a year.
Read the exchangeInternational Aid
Liberal MP Francis Valeriote asked why the government ended 35 years of support for KAIROS after the group criticized its policies, calling the $7 million cut over four years punitive.
Read the exchangeUkraine
Liberal MP Gerard Kennedy said the government plans to send only 60 observers to Ukraine's January presidential election instead of the 300 requested by the Ukrainian Canadian Congress.
Read the exchangeTextile Industry
Bloc Québécois MP Robert Vincent noted the CANtex program envelope for 2009 is empty and asked whether new funds would be provided to help the Quebec textile sector.
Read the exchangePublic Transit
NDP leader Jack Layton said municipalities control 44 per cent of emissions and need $40 billion for transit, yet receive only 8 cents on every tax dollar, and pressed for a national strategy.
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- deflectedAfghanistanMr. Michael Ignatieff (Liberal) asked John Baird (Conservative). loaded question.Answer praises military and public service while avoiding the question on contempt or intimidation.
We have seen our military men and women in uniform do an outstanding job.
- misdirectedAfghanistanMr. Michael Ignatieff (Liberal) asked John Baird (Conservative). substantive question.Answer shifts to questioning trust in a general instead of addressing inaction on reports.
I ask the Leader of the Opposition why he cannot trust General Walter Natynczyk.
- deflectedAfghanistanMr. Michael Ignatieff (Liberal) asked John Baird (Conservative). substantive question.Answer repeats that they act on credible info but provides no account of the year of inaction.
When our Canadian men and women in uniform, doing an outstanding job in incredibly difficult circumstances, are presented with credible information in this regard, they act.
- deflectedAfghanistanUjjal Dosanjh (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.Answer lists investments and improvements but does not address the call for a public inquiry.
We have invested in improving the justice system in Afghanistan.
- misdirectedAfghanistanUjjal Dosanjh (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.Answer accuses the member of making up facts rather than answering about proven cases or an inquiry.
The hon. member is again making up facts.
- deflectedThe EnvironmentMr. Gilles Duceppe (Bloc) asked Christian Paradis (Conservative). loaded question.Answer highlights a past transfer payment instead of addressing differing targets or reference years.
In 2007, Quebec received a transfer of $350 million, which was more than Pauline Marois' spokesperson asked for in the House.
- deflectedThe EnvironmentMr. Gilles Duceppe (Bloc) asked Christian Paradis (Conservative). loaded question.Answer discusses a North American plan and results but evades the question on misrepresentation of Quebec's position.
We will have a North American plan because the Obama administration has decided to adopt targets similar to ours.
- deflectedThe EnvironmentMr. Bernard Bigras (Bloc) asked Mr. Mark Warawa (Conservative). substantive question.Answer states emission targets but does not address acknowledging a threat to public health.
Canada is committed to reducing greenhouse gas emissions, 20% by 2020.
- deflectedThe EnvironmentMr. Bernard Bigras (Bloc) asked Mr. Mark Warawa (Conservative). loaded question.The answer dismisses the premise outright and pivots to emission statistics without addressing the minister's stance or Quebec interests.
the member knows that is nonsense.
- deflectedThe EnvironmentJack Layton (NDP) asked John Baird (Conservative). rhetorical question.The answer affirms action in Copenhagen but avoids confirming whether everything possible is being done for future generations.
We are in Copenhagen working hard for a strong and effective agreement to fight global warming.
- misdirectedThe EnvironmentJack Layton (NDP) asked John Baird (Conservative). substantive question.The answer shifts to general transit investments instead of addressing oil-industry funding versus the Zenn plant closure.
Under the leadership of the previous minister, we took substantial actions with respect to public transit.
- partly answeredPublic TransitJack Layton (NDP) asked John Baird (Conservative). substantive question.The answer lists specific transit projects and funding increases but does not address the requested national strategy or the 8¢ per tax dollar figure.
We are transferring more money to the municipalities to support these types of activities than any government in Canadian history.
- misdirectedAfghanistanMs. Judy Foote (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.The answer rebuts the accusation by quoting a general but does not engage with the specific eyewitness or photographic evidence cited.
Simply put, Mr. Speaker, we are not.
- deflectedAfghanistanMs. Judy Foote (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.The answer again cites the general's statement and attacks the member's suggestion without addressing the withheld documents or officer testimony.
If the hon. member does not accept my word on this, she should accept the word of General Natynczyk, and not like the hon. member opposite who suggests that somehow it is morally weak and—
- deflectedAfghanistanDominic LeBlanc (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.The answer claims priority was improving arrangements but does not address the Red Cross warnings or the communications strategy allegation.
Our first priority was to clean up the mess that we had inherited.
- misdirectedAfghanistanDominic LeBlanc (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.The answer pivots to criticizing the previous government’s equipment failures rather than explaining the priority list in the 2007 document.
It was in fact our priority to go about improving the transfer arrangement, investing in the justice system, mentoring the police and prison officials, improving the physical surroundings where Taliban prisoners were being held, and ensuring that the Canadian Forces had the necessary resources to do that important work.
- deflectedAfghanistanMs. Francine Lalonde (Bloc) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.The answer cites other diplomats' views on evidence instead of addressing calls to release information or end any code of silence.
We act on hard evidence. We act on allegations that can be proven.
- misdirectedAfghanistanMs. Francine Lalonde (Bloc) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.The answer attacks the opposition for rejecting evidence and lists names rather than addressing the request for a public inquiry.
Why would members opposite not accept the evidence given by those credible individuals closest to the ground, closest to the mission, all giving advice to the government upon which we acted to improve the situation in Afghanistan?
- deflectedAfghanistanMr. Pierre Paquette (Bloc) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.The answer discusses document release and redactions instead of admitting to preparing propaganda messages in 2006.
we have complied. We have released documents. We continue to do so with information that will not endanger troops, that will not endanger our relations with allies or international organizations and that will not identify confidential sources.
- misdirectedAfghanistanMr. Pierre Paquette (Bloc) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.The answer dismisses the allegations as ridiculous and shifts blame to the previous government instead of addressing the Geneva Convention claim.
those are more ridiculous, unfounded allegations that cannot be substantiated.
- misdirectedThe EnvironmentMs. Kirsty Duncan (Liberal) asked Mr. Mark Warawa (Conservative). loaded question.The answer attacks the Liberals' past record instead of addressing Canada's actions at Commonwealth or climate talks.
Canadians are always shocked when a Liberal asks questions about the environment.
- partly answeredThe EnvironmentMr. Justin Trudeau (Liberal) asked Mr. Mark Warawa (Conservative). substantive question.The answer states the government's target but does not explain how it takes credit for provincial actions at Copenhagen.
As the member well knows, this government consulted with all the provinces, territories, our international partners, even the Obama administration, that we would go to Copenhagen with a harmonized approach, an absolute reduction of 20% by 2020.
- deflectedGovernment ContractsMr. Marcel Proulx (Liberal) asked Christian Paradis (Conservative). substantive question.The answer claims rules were followed and mocks the question with an Elvis reference instead of providing details on the investigation.
I almost expect these members to start asking if we are searching for Elvis in the department.
- deflectedGovernment ContractsMr. Marcel Proulx (Liberal) asked Christian Paradis (Conservative). substantive question.The answer accuses the Liberals of cheap politics and fictional stories instead of confirming no political interference in the tendering process.
I have been perfectly clear. This government does not comment on internal department staffing matters.
- deflectedAfghanistanMr. Jack Harris (NDP) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.The answer disputes evidence credibility and cites officials' advice without addressing the demand for apology or resignation.
We have disputed the credibility of the evidence, not the credibility of the individual.
- deflectedAfghanistanMr. Jack Harris (NDP) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.The answer repeats prior actions and praises soldiers while avoiding any commitment to resignation or inquiry.
we acted upon the advice of senior officials both in the Department of Foreign Affairs and on the part of the military.
- partly answeredAerospace IndustryMr. Robert Bouchard (Bloc) asked Tony Clement (Conservative). substantive question.The answer lists specific past investments but does not address a new policy or reassurance for future support.
we have already invested over $350 million in Bombardier Aerospace to help it acquire the CSeries program.
- partly answeredTextile IndustryMr. Robert Vincent (Bloc) asked Denis Lebel (Conservative). substantive question.The answer confirms prior funding allocation and notes upcoming review but offers no new funds or specific plan.
Of course we will continue to support the economic diversification of Quebec regions, including the textile industry.
- deflectedInternational AidMr. Francis Valeriote (Liberal) asked Bev Oda (Conservative). loaded question.The answer shifts to general aid effectiveness and Auditor General comments without addressing the KAIROS funding cut.
We have not only made promises like the previous government did, but we are actually acting on aid effectiveness.
- deflectedInternational AidMr. Francis Valeriote (Liberal) asked Bev Oda (Conservative). loaded question.The answer emphasizes outcome-based aid and criticizes unaccountable spending without justifying or apologizing for the KAIROS cut.
We cannot afford to funnel money into an unaccountable abyss and--
- answeredIndustryMr. Claude Gravelle (NDP) asked Tony Clement (Conservative). substantive question.The answer directly states the agreement has expired and explains nondisclosure is required by law.
the reason I do not share the particulars of the agreement between the Government of Canada and those investor companies is that it would be against the law to do so.
- partly answeredIndustryMr. Charlie Angus (NDP) asked Tony Clement (Conservative). substantive question.The answer notes compliance with law and local discussions but does not confirm any legal action against Xstrata.
I would say to the hon. member opposite, he demands that we live within the law.
- deflectedUkraineMr. Gerard Kennedy (Liberal) asked Lawrence Cannon (Conservative). substantive question.The answer avoids the specific request on observer numbers and attacks the opposition instead.
the question is not the number of people who should be there.
- deflectedInternational Co-operationMs. Johanne Deschamps (Bloc) asked Bev Oda (Conservative). substantive question.The answer discusses general aid principles but ignores the question on cutting KAIROS.
we want to ensure that our international assistance is effective, transparent, accountable and that it is going to make a real difference.
- partly answeredEmployment InsuranceMr. Malcolm Allen (NDP) asked Diane Finley (Conservative). loaded question.The answer defends the program and blames the NDP but does not address the low uptake or removing restrictions.
- misdirectedPoints of OrderMr. Michel Guimond (Bloc) asked Mr. Laurie Hawn (Conservative). substantive question.The response turns the point of order into further insults and jokes rather than a clean withdrawal.
The next time I will mouth something more appropriate, like "bovine scatology".
- answeredPoints of OrderMr. Michel Guimond (Bloc) asked Mr. Laurie Hawn (Conservative). substantive question.The answer directly reaffirms the prior apology without evasion.
I already apologized for mouthing inappropriate words. That apology stands.
- answeredPoints of OrderMr. Francis Valeriote (Liberal) asked Bev Oda (Conservative). substantive question.The answer directly clarifies that the words were a quoted passage from another member.