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Thursday, November 26, 2009 · sitting No. 118
Speaker rules mailing breached Liberal MP's privilege
The House spent the largest share of its time on a question of privilege. Speaker Milliken ruled that a Conservative ten percenter comparing party positions on Middle East policy breached the privilege of Liberal MP Irwin Cotler by impeding his work as a member. The matter was referred to the procedure and House affairs committee.
Question period featured repeated clashes over Afghanistan detainee documents. Liberal MP Bob Rae pressed the government on access to records and called for a public inquiry while Conservative MP John Baird accused the Liberals of politicizing the issue and raising funds on the backs of the armed forces.
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Who held the floor · 2009-11-26
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- misdirectedAfghanistanBob Rae (Liberal) asked John Baird (Conservative). substantive question.The answer attacks the Liberal Party and its fundraising instead of addressing the question on compatibility with seeking truth.
The Liberal Party is politicizing a very sensitive issue on the backs of our brave men and women in uniform.
- misdirectedAfghanistanBob Rae (Liberal) asked John Baird (Conservative). substantive question.The answer shifts to attacking Liberals' past record and fundraising rather than addressing access to documents or a public inquiry.
The member opposite talks about darkness, but I will talk about the darkness that members of the Canadian armed forces remember, the decade of darkness of the Liberals' time in power.
- misdirectedAfghanistanBob Rae (Liberal) asked John Baird (Conservative). substantive question.The answer quotes an old remark attacking Liberals and cites generals instead of addressing the call for a public inquiry.
Nothing embarrasses the Liberals because they do not know the meaning of shame.
- partly answeredAfghanistanUjjal Dosanjh (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.The answer directly cites a general's statement on the lack of evidence for torture but does not address the call for a public inquiry.
I can very safely say there is nothing in any of these 2006 reports that caused any of the subject matter experts on my staff, nor, by extension, me, to be alerted me to either the fact of torture or a very high risk of torture, nothing
- deflectedAfghanistanUjjal Dosanjh (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.The answer dismisses the question as verbiage and cites a general while avoiding the Federal Court ruling and public inquiry request.
more verbiage and volume from the member opposite add nothing.
- deflectedAfghanistanMr. Gilles Duceppe (Bloc) asked John Baird (Conservative). substantive question.The answer cites generals dismissing allegations but does not address the specific emails from Colvin or the denial of warnings.
Yesterday, the House of Commons committee heard from two great Canadian heroes, General Rick Hillier, who called the allegations ludicrous.
- deflectedAfghanistanMr. Gilles Duceppe (Bloc) asked John Baird (Conservative). substantive question.The answer reiterates generals' statements and support for the military but avoids the issue of selective document access and credibility loss.
the generals who appeared yesterday reiterated exactly what this government has been saying all along, and in the House for more than a week.
- partly answeredAfghanistanMr. Claude Bachand (Bloc) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.The answer states that Colvin testified and documents are provided when legally obliged but does not confirm immunity or address threats of incarceration.
- deflectedAfghanistanMr. Claude Bachand (Bloc) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.Answer avoids the incarceration question by restating legal limits and attacking the opposition.
The hon. member opposite may not be concerned with that.
- deflectedAfghanistanJack Layton (NDP) asked John Baird (Conservative). substantive question.Answer ignores the public inquiry demand and pivots to national security talking points while implying opposition weakness.
We think national security is important.
- answeredCopenhagen ConferenceJack Layton (NDP) asked John Baird (Conservative). substantive question.Answer directly confirms the Prime Minister will attend Copenhagen under the stated condition.
In fact, he will be in Copenhagen.
- partly answeredCopenhagen ConferenceJack Layton (NDP) asked John Baird (Conservative). substantive question.Answer addresses the plan question only in general terms about the agreement without specifics.
We believe that an agreement must be effective.
- deflectedAfghanistanMr. Justin Trudeau (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.Answer sidesteps the obstruction claim by restating committee process and national security without addressing access disparity.
I cannot help the hon. member if he feels he is in the dark.
- misdirectedAfghanistanMr. Justin Trudeau (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.Answer attacks the opposition and quotes a general instead of addressing the public inquiry request.
- misdirectedAfghanistanMs. Siobhan Coady (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.Answer questions the premise and attacks the member rather than addressing the alarm bells issue.
How ludicrous a statement is that from one single individual who really had no knowledge to be able to say something like that?
- misdirectedAfghanistanMs. Siobhan Coady (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.Answer attacks the member and quotes a general instead of confirming detainee tracking.
- deflectedThe EnvironmentMr. Bernard Bigras (Bloc) asked Jim Prentice (Conservative). substantive question.The answer lists projects and investments but avoids addressing any new ambitious GHG reduction plan.
our government understands that, as a northern country, Canada is particularly vulnerable to climate change and is interested in adaptation.
- deflectedThe EnvironmentMr. Bernard Bigras (Bloc) asked Jim Prentice (Conservative). substantive question.The answer discusses Copenhagen preparations instead of addressing base year choice or Quebec-specific recognition.
Canada wants an agreement to come out of Copenhagen, an agreement that will include all major emitters.
- partly answeredEmployment InsuranceMrs. Josée Beaudin (Bloc) asked Jean-Pierre Blackburn (Conservative). substantive question.The answer defends the cost calculations and system design but does not address the specific claim of rates being three times too high.
we have looked at the costs. We know that the benefits must be self-funding
- deflectedEmployment InsuranceMr. Yves Lessard (Bloc) asked Jean-Pierre Blackburn (Conservative). substantive question.The answer promotes the measure as positive and a promise kept but ignores the request to support the amendment.
this is the fourth measure our government has introduced to support workers who lose their jobs in these tough economic times.
- misdirectedThe EnvironmentMr. David McGuinty (Liberal) asked Jim Prentice (Conservative). loaded question.The answer attacks the Liberal record and questions the asker rather than addressing the plan or leadership query.
here we have another lecture from the Liberal Party, the party of Kyoto, the party of the carbon tax
- deflectedThe EnvironmentMr. David McGuinty (Liberal) asked Jim Prentice (Conservative). loaded question.The answer pivots to criticizing Liberal policies and avoids confirming or detailing any domestic plan.
I think Canadians know the only ones really fending for themselves are those in the Liberal Party
- misdirectedConservative Party of CanadaMr. Michael Savage (Liberal) asked Diane Finley (Conservative). loaded question.The answer counters with accusations of Liberal smears instead of addressing the call for an apology.
what is truly disturbing is the level of smears that have been coming from the party opposite.
- misdirectedConservative Party of CanadaMr. Michael Savage (Liberal) asked Diane Finley (Conservative). loaded question.The answer questions the asker's actions regarding armed forces rather than addressing the demand for an apology.
Does he think that is the decent thing to do? Because if he does, that explains why he is sitting there.
- deflectedConsumer Product SafetyMs. Judy Wasylycia-Leis (NDP) asked Leona Aglukkaq (Conservative). loaded question.The answer promotes new legislation instead of addressing the 14-year delay or the personal hypothetical posed.
The legislation we have right now is currently not adequate under the surveillance.
- deflectedConsumer Product SafetyMs. Judy Wasylycia-Leis (NDP) asked Leona Aglukkaq (Conservative). loaded question.The answer repeats the call for Bill C-6 rather than addressing the claim of unacted complaints over 40 years.
There is no mandatory reporting from the industry to us whenever there is an incident with any product that it sells.
- partly answeredCitizenship and ImmigrationMr. Thierry St-Cyr (Bloc) asked Jason Kenney (Conservative). loaded question.The answer explains the IRB hearing details but opens with an insult and rejects the premise of ministerial responsibility.
the hon. member should calm down.
- partly answeredAboriginal PeoplesMr. Marc Lemay (Bloc) asked Chuck Strahl (Conservative). substantive question.The answer offers to meet and notes progress with some communities but does not confirm a meeting with the five chiefs present.
We are prepared at all times to meet with members of the Mamuitun Tribal Council to discuss ways that we could move forward with them in some sort of agreement as well.
- misdirectedElection ExpensesMarlene Jennings (Liberal) asked Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). loaded question.The answer ignores the election-expenses question and instead attacks the Liberal Party over a fundraising letter.
My hon. Liberal friend would increase her own credibility on matters of party financing if she would now rise and apologize on behalf of the Liberal Party.
- misdirectedElection ExpensesMrs. Bonnie Crombie (Liberal) asked Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). loaded question.The answer again pivots to demanding an apology from Liberals over a letter instead of addressing cooperation with Elections Canada.
I would like to give the Liberal Party a second chance to apologize for this very important letter.
- answeredHuman RightsMr. Bill Siksay (NDP) asked John Baird (Conservative). substantive question.The answer directly condemns the Ugandan bill and states the Prime Minister will do likewise at the Commonwealth meeting.
We strongly condemn that and the Prime Minister will make that strong condemnation as well.
- answeredForeign AffairsMr. Wayne Marston (NDP) asked Mr. Deepak Obhrai (Conservative). substantive question.The answer confirms the case remains a priority and that it is raised with Chinese officials.
Mr. Celil's case remains a top priority for this government.
- partly answeredAboriginal AffairsMs. Judy Foote (Liberal) asked Chuck Strahl (Conservative). substantive question.The minister acknowledges the processing backlog but avoids committing to an extension and shifts focus to a non-government committee.
We do not control that entirely but, by all means, I am willing to talk to the chair of that committee, which is not the federal government, and see if there are arrangements we can make to get as many people registered as possible.
- deflectedStatus of WomenMs. Nicole Demers (Bloc) asked Helena Guergis (Conservative). loaded question.The answer evades the demand to condemn specific remarks and instead pivots to unrelated government achievements on women's issues.
I am pleased to highlight one of our most recent achievements to protect women across this country.
- deflectedBusiness of the HouseRalph Goodale (Liberal) asked Jay Hill (Conservative). substantive question.The response explicitly limits itself to the traditional weekly business update and ignores the questions on supply days, commemoration, and standing orders.
This Thursday I will contain myself mainly to the traditional question which is the business ahead for the next week for the House of Commons.
- partly answeredPrivilegeIrwin Cotler (Liberal) asked Jason Kenney (Conservative). substantive question.The answer accepts referral to committee but immediately shifts to corrections and attacks on the opposition rather than fully engaging the privilege issue.
I would, however, like to put on the record certain clarifications and corrections.
- misdirectedPrivilegeIrwin Cotler (Liberal) asked Jason Kenney (Conservative). substantive question.The reply consists of a curt interruption that attacks the asker instead of addressing the privilege breach or distinction raised.
- misdirectedPrivilegeIrwin Cotler (Liberal) asked Jason Kenney (Conservative). substantive question.The short interjection disputes a factual point without engaging the privilege motion or the substance of the ten percenter debate.
Except Israel and the United States.
- misdirectedPrivilegeMr. Pierre Paquette (Bloc) asked Jason Kenney (Conservative). substantive question.The response claims to correct the record but uses the opportunity to criticize the member and revisit an unrelated conference point.
I think just misspoke himself, and I am sure he will agree that he did so, when he said the entire world community withdrew from the Durban I conference.
- misdirectedPrivilegeMr. Brian Murphy (Liberal) asked Jason Kenney (Conservative). substantive question.The answer disputes a factual claim and launches into an editorial quote attacking the opposition instead of addressing the ten percenter privilege issue.
- answeredPrivilegeIrwin Cotler (Liberal) asked Jason Kenney (Conservative). substantive question.The answer directly affirms the claim about Liberal participation at Durban I.
- answeredPrivilegeIrwin Cotler (Liberal) asked Jason Kenney (Conservative). substantive question.The answer directly affirms the claim about Liberal participation at Durban I.
- deflectedPrivilegeIrwin Cotler (Liberal) asked Jason Kenney (Conservative). substantive question.The answer shifts to questioning the member's actions and introduces unrelated points instead of addressing the explanation given.
The member, quite frankly, is introducing irrelevant issues.
- deflectedPrivilegeMr. Brian Murphy (Liberal) asked Jason Kenney (Conservative). loaded question.The answer avoids the discomfort questions and instead attacks the opposition with accusations of hypocrisy.
Sometimes the fog of hypocrisy is so thick in here that people cannot even hear.
- deflectedPrivilegeMr. Derek Lee (Liberal) asked Jason Kenney (Conservative). substantive question.The answer ignores the distinction raised and pivots to attacking Liberal positions on Middle East issues.
If members of the Liberal Party are not comfortable with the fact that their leader accused Israel of war crimes
- deflectedPrivilegeMr. Derek Lee (Liberal) asked Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). substantive question.The answer changes focus to praising the current government's actions rather than addressing the ten percenter or libel issue.
The distinction is that this current Conservative Prime Minister led the entire world in walking out on the Durban II hate festival
- misdirectedPrivilegeMr. Derek Lee (Liberal) asked Mr. Mike Lake (Conservative). substantive question.The answer attacks the opposition's use of ten percenters instead of engaging with the privilege or content concerns raised.
I am having a little trouble with the level of hypocrisy in this debate.
- deflectedPrivilegeMr. Derek Lee (Liberal) asked Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). substantive question.The answer restates party differences on Durban instead of addressing the specific allegation of anti-Semitism in the flyer.
As has been pointed out in the past, there is a vast disagreement between the Liberal Party and the Conservative Party on the question of the Middle East.
- deflectedPrivilegeMr. Dennis Bevington (NDP) asked Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). substantive question.The answer asserts factuality without addressing the specific claims of inaccuracy or the broader pattern raised.
the ten percenter in question was strictly factual.
- misdirectedPrivilegeIrwin Cotler (Liberal) asked Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). substantive question.The answer shifts blame to the Liberal Party's positions rather than addressing the ten percenter content or privilege breach.
that is not the result of a ten percenter but, rather, the result of the positions that his party has taken.
- misdirectedPrivilegeMr. Brian Murphy (Liberal) asked Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). loaded question.The answer ignores the defamation question and pivots to attacking the Liberal Party's Middle East position.
the facts of the Liberal Party's position on the Middle East are damaging to the Liberal Party
- deflectedPrivilegeMs. Joyce Murray (Liberal) asked Mr. Jeff Watson (Conservative). substantive question.The answer raises a point of order to redirect away from the privilege debate content.
the issue of climate change is not the content of the ten percenter in question.
- deflectedPrivilegeMr. Massimo Pacetti (Liberal) asked Mr. Jeff Watson (Conservative). rhetorical question.The answer enforces topic adherence via point of order instead of engaging the substance.
We are talking about a specific ten percenter and its content in the debate
- partly answeredPrivilegeMs. Joyce Murray (Liberal) asked Mr. Mike Lake (Conservative). substantive question.The answer engages the specific claim in the ten percenter but narrows to one phrase while ignoring broader privilege concerns.
What I would ask the hon. member to specifically answer is which part of that phrase is untrue
- deflectedPrivilegeAnita Neville (Liberal) asked Jay Hill (Conservative). substantive question.The answer raises an unrelated point of order on private members' business instead of responding to the member's reflection.
I think if you seek it, you would find consent among all the members in the House to proceed to private members' business