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Wednesday, December 3, 2008 · sitting No. 12

Commons debates economic statement as coalition tensions rise

The House devoted the largest share of its sitting to debate on the economic and fiscal statement under government orders. Members discussed the absence of detailed stimulus measures in the statement and the need for a budget response to job losses and the global downturn.

In question period Liberal MP Stéphane Dion pressed the Prime Minister on the government's refusal to act on the economic crisis while Conservative MP Stephen Harper accused the opposition of pursuing a pact with Quebec sovereignists instead of preparing the budget. Bloc Québécois MP Michel Guimond asked whether the Prime Minister would face a confidence vote rather than seek prorogation.

NDP MP Libby Davies raised a point of order over unparliamentary language used by Conservative MP Dean Del Mastro during the exchanges.

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Who held the floor · 2008-12-03

Government (Conservative)OppositionOver the day: government 46%, opposition 54% of the words spokenQuestion PeriodRoutine proceedingsGovernment business▲ Government side held the floor▼ Opposition held the floorOpened 14:0015:0016:0017:00Last speech 18:25Time of day, Ottawa · the House sat 4 h 25 min · each dot is a stretch of debate, placed at the minute it began
56Bills Introduced Amid Evasive AnswersThe sitting devoted most time to economic and fiscal debate while introducing fifteen bills and recording no votes. Question period produced largely misdirected or deflected replies and five speaker interventions.AI-rated Score out of 100; the verdict and the answer ratings behind it are a model’s reading. How the AI rates this

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Persons with Disabilities

Liberal MP Kirsty Duncan noted that one in seven Canadians lives with a disability and called for dignity and justice under the UN convention theme.

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Status of Women

Liberal MP Anita Neville asked why the government attacked equal pay provisions in the economic update while Conservative MP Vic Toews defended a new proactive mechanism adopted from Ontario and Quebec models.

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Points of Order

Conservative MP Dean Del Mastro refused to withdraw the word traitor and said the opposition owed Canadians an apology for crossing to the separatists.

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Cluster Munitions

Liberal MP Keith Martin welcomed Canada's signing of the Convention on Cluster Munitions but said the government still lacked an action plan to meet commitments.

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Employment Insurance Act

NDP MP Yvon Godin introduced measures to raise benefits to 66 per cent of insurable earnings and to remove the waiting period for claimants.

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Question Period, exchange by exchange

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  1. misdirected
    The EconomyStéphane Dion (Liberal) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). loaded question.Answer ignores the economy question and attacks the asker over a coalition instead.The Liberal Party leader proposes to help the economy by signing a pact with the Quebec sovereignists to govern the country.
  2. misdirected
    The EconomyStéphane Dion (Liberal) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). loaded question.Answer evades the duty question by attacking the Liberal-Bloc arrangement with a quote.The leader of the Liberal Party is not working with us to prepare the budget and to strengthen this economy, but to weaken this country.
  3. deflected
    The EconomyStéphane Dion (Liberal) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). loaded question.Answer shifts to demanding proposals and again attacks the separatist deal rather than addressing job-saving plans.if the leader of the Liberal Party wants to save the jobs of Canadians, he can put on the table specific proposals that will save those jobs.
  4. misdirected
    The EconomyRalph Goodale (Liberal) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). loaded question.Answer ignores the call for new economic measures and instead accuses the Liberal leader of giving Bloc a veto.He is proposing to govern with the Bloc Québécois and to give it a veto over all important decisions, over all financial policies in every sector of this country.
  5. misdirected
    The EconomyRalph Goodale (Liberal) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). loaded question.Answer dodges the recession and stimulus critique by fixating on flag placement and the coalition imagery.If the Liberal Party continues down this path, those images will never be forgotten by the Canadian people.
  6. deflected
    The EconomyMr. Gilles Duceppe (Bloc) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). loaded question.Answer avoids admitting past coalition talks and instead questions the Bloc leader's mandate.If he is about to do so, he should be prepared to face his own voters and obtain a democratic mandate.
  7. deflected
    The EconomyMr. Gilles Duceppe (Bloc) asked Stockwell Day (Conservative). loaded question.Answer denies knowledge of the document and pivots to personal rejection of any separatist deal.
  8. misdirected
    The EconomyMr. Pierre Paquette (Bloc) asked Stockwell Day (Conservative). loaded question.Answer refuses to address the legitimacy challenge and reiterates opposition to coalitions with separatists.No coalition with separatists.
  9. misdirected
    The EconomyMr. Pierre Paquette (Bloc) asked Lawrence Cannon (Conservative). loaded question.Answer ignores the coalition legitimacy query and pivots to unrelated historical attacks on separatism.Today, I look at the Leader of the Opposition, who comes from the same city as I do, who represents a longstanding tradition—because people know that both my grandparents sat here in this House—and I urge him to continue that longstanding tradition.
  10. misdirected
    The EconomyJack Layton (NDP) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). loaded question.Answer evades the economic plan question by accusing the asker of plotting with separatists instead.the bold plan of the leader of the NDP is that the day the election is over he starts meeting with the separatists to plot a coalition to overturn the results of the election without any proposals to help any of the ordinary people he is talking about.
  11. deflected
    The EconomyJack Layton (NDP) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). loaded question.Answer shifts to urging passage of specific measures and attacks the coalition rather than addressing the vote or economic crisis directly.if the Leader of the NDP wants to help this economy, he would immediately pass the elements in the economic and fiscal update that help the manufacturing and automobile sectors, that help the credit markets, that help pensioners and RRIF holders.
  12. misdirected
    The EconomyJack Layton (NDP) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). loaded question.Answer repeatedly reframes the query as a coalition plot instead of engaging with the economic plan or job-saving demands.the leader of the New Democratic Party does not have a plan for the economy; he has a plan to govern this country with Quebec sovereignists.
  13. deflected
    The EconomyScott Brison (Liberal) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). loaded question.Answer counters by listing coalition opposition to specific aids rather than addressing the shutdown or economic plan failure.why is the member opposite and his party all members of the new socialist coalition, the new separatist coalition?
  14. misdirected
    The EconomyScott Brison (Liberal) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). loaded question.Answer pivots entirely to coalition criticism and quotes attacking the NDP instead of responding to job losses or Parliament shutdown.The new separatist coalition is opposed to helping pensioners, seniors and small businesses.
  15. deflected
    The EconomyMr. Todd Russell (Liberal) asked Lisa Raitt (Conservative). loaded question.Answer mentions community trust funding briefly but diverts to coalition veto attack without addressing layoffs or economic fundamentals.However, I find it ironic that the member is only interested in listening to his constituents when it is for the purposes of sustaining the separatist coalition and when it comes to actually listening for the purposes, on a topic as fundamental as giving the separatists a veto on national--
  16. misdirected
    The EconomyMr. Todd Russell (Liberal) asked Lisa Raitt (Conservative). loaded question.Answer dismisses the question by labeling the asker as speaking for separatists and attacks the coalition instead of discussing any economic plan.The member for Labrador is not speaking on behalf of his constituents. He is speaking on behalf of a separatist coalition.
  17. misdirected
    The Conservative GovernmentMr. Michel Guimond (Bloc) asked Lawrence Cannon (Conservative). loaded question.The answer ignores the question on facing a confidence vote and instead attacks the asker about a supposed secret agreement.What agreement did he made to trade off his right to veto on three occasions, on two budgets and a throne speech?
  18. misdirected
    The Conservative GovernmentMr. Gilles Duceppe (Bloc) asked Lawrence Cannon (Conservative). substantive question.The answer evades the contradiction about veto power by questioning the Bloc's agreement and Quebec funding instead.The leaders of the Bloc Québécois and the PQ are going around saying they have won a billion dollars.
  19. misdirected
    The Conservative GovernmentMr. Gilles Duceppe (Bloc) asked Lawrence Cannon (Conservative). loaded question.The answer sidesteps the recalled statement on coalitions and demands the opposition reveal the full agreement details.Will the Leader of the Opposition and the leader of the Bloc Québécois tell us today precisely and exactly what the agreement contains, giving us the whole truth, and concealing nothing?
  20. deflected
    The Conservative GovernmentMr. Gilles Duceppe (Bloc) asked Stockwell Day (Conservative). loaded question.The answer avoids addressing the past coalition statement by suggesting a private discussion after question period.maybe after question period, outside the House, the member will be able to tell us all whether he and I ever talked about a coalition.
  21. misdirected
    The Prime MinisterKen Dryden (Liberal) asked Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). rhetorical question.The answer ignores the question on repairing Parliament dynamics and instead accuses the opposition of siding with separatists.Whose side are they on? Will they stand up for Canada or will they stand for the separatist contract?
  22. deflected
    The Prime MinisterKen Dryden (Liberal) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). rhetorical question.The answer reframes the issue as a choice for the opposition rather than addressing how to repair relations with the Prime Minister.If they really believe governing the country in a deal with the separatists is good for the country, then they should take that to the Canadian people and get a mandate for it or they should walk away from it and say it was a mistake.
  23. misdirected
    The Prime MinisterDenis Coderre (Liberal) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). loaded question.The answer attacks the coalition's economic plan instead of addressing the Prime Minister's lack of confidence or economic measures.here is what a separatist coalition economic plan looks like: higher taxes, weakened stock markets, eroding our savings and killing Canadian jobs, all paid for with Monopoly money.
  24. misdirected
    The Prime MinisterDenis Coderre (Liberal) asked Lawrence Cannon (Conservative). loaded question.The answer evades the question on facing Parliament by demanding the opposition renounce the agreement or go to the people.His leader has made a pact with the leader of the Bloc Québécois.
  25. deflected
    The EconomyMr. Thomas Mulcair (NDP) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). loaded question.The answer ignores the specific question on job losses and instead attacks the opposition's spending plans.The attitude, in fact, of the separatist coalition is to spend $30 billion and put this country back into permanent debt.
  26. misdirected
    The EconomyMr. Thomas Mulcair (NDP) asked John Baird (Conservative). rhetorical question.The answer attacks the asker and coalition instead of addressing the Prime Minister's handling of the economy.there is one thing this Prime Minister , this team, and this government will never do, and that is accept a separatist government on this side of the House in this country.
  27. deflected
    The Conservative GovernmentMrs. Carole Freeman (Bloc) asked Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). loaded question.The answer dismisses the question by stating it has nothing to do with the current government rather than addressing transparency concerns.there was a public inquiry. We expect to receive the results of the inquiry in June, but that has nothing to do with our government.
  28. misdirected
    The Conservative GovernmentMrs. Carole Freeman (Bloc) asked Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). loaded question.The answer changes the subject to attack the opposition coalition instead of addressing confidence in the Prime Minister.judging from the overwhelmingly negative reaction they have all received to the separatist coalition, they are now trying to change the channel.
  29. partly answered
    Status of WomenAnita Neville (Liberal) asked Vic Toews (Conservative). loaded question.The answer addresses the pay equity mechanism but avoids the question on attacking women's rights in the economic update.what we find unacceptable is that women would have to wait for 15 years to resolve complaints.
  30. deflected
    Status of WomenAnita Neville (Liberal) asked Vic Toews (Conservative). loaded question.The answer defends the new mechanism but ignores the accusation of attacking women's rights to focus on past Liberal inaction.for 13 years the Liberals did nothing with respect to pay equity for women.
  31. misdirected
    The EconomyMs. Dawn Black (NDP) asked John Baird (Conservative). loaded question.The answer pivots to attacking the coalition with separatists instead of addressing job losses or stimulus in BC.it is this government that is building Canada, and it is that party opposite that wants to join in a coalition government with the separatists.
  32. misdirected
    The EconomyMs. Dawn Black (NDP) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). rhetorical question.The answer attacks the coalition deal and refuses the demand for a vote by calling for an election instead.the only jobs that this deal with the separatists creates are six cabinet jobs for the NDP.
  33. misdirected
    Points of OrderMs. Libby Davies (NDP) asked Mr. Dean Del Mastro (Conservative). substantive question.The answer refuses the requested apology and instead attacks the opposing party and its actions.They are complete sellouts. I will not apologize.
  34. misdirected
    Points of OrderMr. Pierre Paquette (Bloc) asked Mr. Steven Blaney (Conservative). substantive question.The answer ignores the tabling request and instead raises a separate complaint about another member's language.I respectfully ask the hon. member for York Centre to withdraw his comments.
  35. misdirected
    Points of OrderMs. Judy Wasylycia-Leis (NDP) asked Mr. Dean Del Mastro (Conservative). substantive question.The answer avoids the complaint about shouting and instead accuses the opposing party of violating Canadians' rights.the only rights to be violated in our country are the rights of each and every Canadian, which that party proposes to trample all over.
  36. deflected
    Points of OrderMr. Michel Guimond (Bloc) asked Jay Hill (Conservative). substantive question.The answer shifts to a general discussion of decorum rather than addressing the quoted unparliamentary constituent remarks.I thought all parties and all 308 members of Parliament committed themselves to greater civility in this chamber, greater decorum—
  37. partly answered
    Points of OrderMauril Bélanger (Liberal) asked Jay Hill (Conservative). substantive question.The answer acknowledges the decorum issue and references unparliamentary language but does not resolve the specific point raised.You know that is not allowed. It is unparliamentary language—
  38. deflected
    Points of OrderMr. Marcel Proulx (Liberal) asked Jay Hill (Conservative). rhetorical question.The answer criticizes the interjection as unhelpful instead of engaging the underlying decorum point.How is that helpful to us trying to move beyond this?
  39. deflected
    Points of OrderAnita Neville (Liberal) asked Jay Hill (Conservative). rhetorical question.The answer pivots to a general call for chamber control without addressing the specific accusation.You have a huge job to do if we are going to get this chamber back under control.
  40. deflected
    Points of OrderMr. Michel Guimond (Bloc) asked Mr. Tom Lukiwski (Conservative). substantive question.The answer discusses constituent emails about the coalition but sidesteps the question on offensive language regarding francophones.The vast majority of these emails and communiqués are consistent. They are suggesting that they do not want to see a separatist coalition.