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Friday, April 4, 2008 · sitting No. 72

Commons debates budget bill amid immigration and human rights clashes

The House spent the largest share of its time on the Budget Implementation Act, 2008. Debate focused on changes to immigration processing and backlogs, with members questioning whether the measures would speed arrivals or reduce overall numbers.

In Question Period the main exchanges concerned a parliamentary secretary's past remarks on gay people and people with AIDS. The government accepted the member's apology and declared the matter closed, while the opposition pressed for his removal from office.

Other exchanges covered language-of-work rights under the Canada Labour Code, foreign policy on missile defence and a Canadian facing execution in Saudi Arabia, and the end date of the Afghanistan mission.

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Who held the floor · 2008-04-04

Government (Conservative)OppositionOver the day: government 38%, opposition 62% of the words spokenGovernment businessQuestion PeriodGovernment business▲ Government side held the floor▼ Opposition held the floorOpened 10:0011:0012:0013:00Last speech 13:35Time of day, Ottawa · the House sat 3 h 35 min · each dot is a stretch of debate, placed at the minute it began
41Budget talk fills the day, little settledThe sitting devoted most hours to debate on the budget bill and scattered policy topics yet recorded no votes and advanced only one bill at introduction. Question period produced few direct answers while procedural interruptions remained minor.AI-rated Score out of 100; the verdict and the answer ratings behind it are a model’s reading. How the AI rates this

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Other moments

Budget Implementation Act, 2008

Ed Komarnicki said the government recorded the highest number of newcomers in history last year and passed legislation to speed processing, while Jim Karygiannis called the figures inflated by temporary workers and warned real immigrant landings would fall.

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Privilege

Tom Lukiwski rose on a point of privilege to apologize for offensive remarks made 17 years earlier that had come to light, saying the passage of time did not lessen his shame.

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Language of Work

Pierre Paquette asked the government to amend the Canada Labour Code so federal workers in Quebec could work in French, and Jacques Gourde replied that language was not a labour standards issue under the code.

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Foreign Affairs

Paul Dewar said Canada had given a green light to an American missile defence system in eastern Europe and asked whether the change would be put to a House vote, and Peter Van Loan said major foreign policy questions would be voted on but this was not one.

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Afghanistan

Pauline Picard asked whether the Prime Minister was leaving the door open to extend the mission past 2011 under the guise of training Afghan forces, and Laurie Hawn said the military mission ends in 2011 and anything beyond that is hypothetical.

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Question Period, exchange by exchange

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  1. deflected
    Human RightsScott Brison (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.The answer emphasizes the apology and closure instead of addressing whether the member will be relieved of duties.We accept that the apology is genuine and it is sincere. It is clear that the member does not hold those views, and we believe the matter at this point is closed.
  2. deflected
    Human RightsScott Brison (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.The answer highlights the apology and government views without responding to the call to relieve the member.This is certainly the view of this government, that such comments are unacceptable.
  3. partly answered
    Human RightsScott Brison (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.The answer acknowledges the comments were unacceptable but does not address the Prime Minister's response or implications for hate and bigotry.Even 17 years ago they were unacceptable.
  4. deflected
    Human RightsMs. Joyce Murray (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.The answer addresses only the apology without engaging the comparison of party standards or past actions.the parliamentary secretary in question made a quick, complete, unequivocal apology for his remarks.
  5. deflected
    Human RightsMs. Joyce Murray (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.The answer praises the apology as a model without addressing the double standard or influence of intolerance.I believe that the conduct of the parliamentary secretary in taking responsibility for his comments, offering a full and forthcoming apology, and demonstrating clearly that his comments were inappropriate and that he does not hold those views are a good model of behaviour.
  6. misdirected
    Language of WorkMr. Pierre Paquette (Bloc) asked Mr. Jacques Gourde (Conservative). substantive question.The answer attacks the Bloc's timing and existence instead of addressing the legal void or action on French as language of work.the Bloc and its leader have obviously run out of issues to justify their existence here in Ottawa.
  7. deflected
    Language of WorkMr. Pierre Paquette (Bloc) asked Mr. Jacques Gourde (Conservative). substantive question.The answer states companies use French but avoids committing to legislative changes for language of work rights.Companies that fall under federal jurisdiction are aware of the importance of French in Quebec, and they do business in French in Quebec.
  8. misdirected
    Language of WorkMrs. Carole Lavallée (Bloc) asked Mr. Jacques Gourde (Conservative). loaded question.The answer pivots to praising open federalism rather than addressing the impact of bilingualism on French or the Quebec nation.Quebeckers told us they wanted open federalism based on respect and cooperation, and that is exactly what we are giving them here in Ottawa, with a Conservative government.
  9. deflected
    Language of WorkMrs. Carole Lavallée (Bloc) asked Mr. Jacques Gourde (Conservative). loaded question.Answer dismisses the question as a non-issue without addressing enforcement of Bill 101 or language rights under the Canada Labour Code.the Bloc can go on all they want about non-issues, but our government is getting real results for Quebeckers.
  10. deflected
    Foreign AffairsMr. Paul Dewar (NDP) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.Answer states major foreign policy questions will be voted on but avoids confirming a vote on missile defence by questioning whether it should be voted on.I hardly think that the member would argue that we should be putting those questions to a vote in this House.
  11. deflected
    Foreign AffairsMr. Paul Dewar (NDP) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.Answer states the minister will decide based on Canada's interest but does not answer yes or no on stopping the sale.He will be applying that test when he makes that decision.
  12. partly answered
    Human RightsMr. Todd Russell (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.Answer affirms such comments are not tolerated and notes the parliamentary secretary took responsibility but does not address whether the party tolerates just discrimination.Respect for people, regardless of their race, their religion, their sexual orientation is a basic value we share in this country.
  13. deflected
    Human RightsMr. Todd Russell (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.Answer defends the parliamentary secretary's apology and shame but does not address consequences or other caucus members.In terms of consequences, I think the parliamentary secretary spoke quite strongly to the consequences he is facing in terms of the shame that he feels
  14. partly answered
    Human RightsRalph Goodale (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.Answer states comments are inappropriate and the secretary apologized but does not address whether the Prime Minister owns the issue by not acting.The fact that the comments might have been made 17 years ago in a social context provides no justification.
  15. misdirected
    Human RightsRalph Goodale (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.Answer calls the question a smear and pivots to blame Liberals for originating the measures instead of addressing trust or punishment.For the Liberals, at this point, to cast the kinds of aspersions they are casting right now demonstrates that there is a campaign of fear on the other side that simply has no basis in reality.
  16. answered
    AfghanistanMs. Pauline Picard (Bloc) asked Mr. Laurie Hawn (Conservative). substantive question.Answer directly states the military mission ends in 2011 and declines to engage with the hypothetical extension.Our military mission ends in 2011.
  17. answered
    AfghanistanMs. Pauline Picard (Bloc) asked Mr. Laurie Hawn (Conservative). substantive question.The answer directly addresses the question posed with a clear negative.Mr. Speaker, clearly and firmly, the answer is no.
  18. deflected
    Canadian HeritageMr. Luc Malo (Bloc) asked Jim Abbott (Conservative). substantive question.The answer avoids the question by claiming ignorance of the topic.I would really love to answer the member's question, but I do not have a clue what he is talking about.
  19. misdirected
    Canadian HeritageMr. Luc Malo (Bloc) asked Jim Abbott (Conservative). substantive question.The answer turns to attacking the asker and their party instead of addressing the question.That member is attempting to sow the seeds of discord.
  20. partly answered
    Citizenship and ImmigrationMaurizio Bevilacqua (Liberal) asked Diane Finley (Conservative). substantive question.The answer discusses general efforts on backlogs but does not explain how rules applying only to new applications address the existing backlog.We are introducing new administrative procedures that will allow us to process things faster and more efficiently
  21. misdirected
    Citizenship and ImmigrationMaurizio Bevilacqua (Liberal) asked Diane Finley (Conservative). loaded question.The question assumes a false premise about shutting the door on immigrants, and the answer responds by attacking the Liberals.It was the Liberals who shut the door on immigration when they allowed the backlog to balloon
  22. partly answered
    Citizenship and ImmigrationMaria Minna (Liberal) asked Diane Finley (Conservative). substantive question.The answer addresses narrowing priorities to tackle the backlog but does not specify the criteria for A/B lists or vetoes.We will narrow that list down so that we can actually tackle the backlog mess, which the Liberals created, by identifying categories that best meet the needs of Canadians and the Canadian industry.
  23. misdirected
    Citizenship and ImmigrationMaria Minna (Liberal) asked Diane Finley (Conservative). loaded question.The question assumes Reform roots and lack of accountability, and the answer responds by attacking Liberals for fear tactics.When the Liberals cannot stand on their own record they go to the fear and smear tactics that they use so often.
  24. deflected
    Aboriginal AffairsMs. Jean Crowder (NDP) asked Mr. Rod Bruinooge (Conservative). substantive question.The answer restates a general commitment to accountability without addressing the specific AFN proposals.Our government will be working with first nations governments to ensure that accountability will be in place.
  25. misdirected
    Aboriginal AffairsMs. Jean Crowder (NDP) asked Mr. Rod Bruinooge (Conservative). loaded question.The answer attacks the questioner's past vote instead of addressing implementation of AFN proposals on accountability.Unfortunately, when we attempted to bring about this measure within the accountability act, the hon. member voted against that.
  26. answered
    AirbusRobert Thibault (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.The answer directly addresses the call for a public inquiry by outlining the Johnston process and next steps.The government will be reviewing those and then we will be moving forward.
  27. deflected
    AirbusRobert Thibault (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.The answer avoids the accusation of protecting Mulroney and repeats the inquiry process without engaging the premise.Upon receiving the recommendations, we will begin the inquiry.
  28. misdirected
    Minister of the EnvironmentMr. Marcel Proulx (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.The answer dismisses the question by attacking the Liberal Party's motives rather than confirming the meeting date or records.It is only interested in finding some way to get back to the power it covets.
  29. misdirected
    Minister of the EnvironmentMr. Marcel Proulx (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.The answer shifts blame to city council and attacks Liberal motives instead of tabling the requested briefing note.The futile efforts of the Liberal Party to continue to look for scandals where they do not exist is an illustration of the fact that that is a party that has no policy
  30. answered
    Foreign AffairsMs. Diane Bourgeois (Bloc) asked Mr. Deepak Obhrai (Conservative). substantive question.The answer addresses the request regarding the Saudi ambassador by stating the planned meeting and appeal process.our ambassador will be meeting with officials from the Saudi ministry of justice to seek assurances that due process will be observed in the appeal process.
  31. partly answered
    Foreign AffairsMs. Diane Bourgeois (Bloc) asked Mr. Deepak Obhrai (Conservative). substantive question.The answer states Canada's position on human rights but does not detail any plan to increase pressure on China.Canada will continue to call on China to release Mr. Hu Jia, as we have persistently done since his detention in December.
  32. answered
    Aboriginal AffairsMr. Roger Valley (Liberal) asked Mr. Rod Bruinooge (Conservative). substantive question.The answer addresses the request for federal action by clarifying that the matter falls under provincial jurisdiction.this case is something that has been initiated by the provincial authorities and it is in their jurisdiction.
  33. deflected
    Canada-U.S. RelationsMr. Peter Julian (NDP) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.The answer defends NAFTA policy without addressing the request for an apology.we are not going to make any apology for standing up for Canada's interests.
  34. partly answered
    Canada-U.S. RelationsMr. Peter Julian (NDP) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.The answer addresses the inquiry process but ignores the call to release mandate and results.the question of determining where the unfortunate leak occurred of the foreign affairs document out of the consulate in Chicago is ongoing.
  35. deflected
    The EnvironmentMs. Tina Keeper (Liberal) asked Mr. Rod Bruinooge (Conservative). loaded question.The answer promotes a new emissions target without addressing the failure to act on climate warnings for the delta.our government is getting very serious on this important issue of environmental change.
  36. deflected
    HousingMr. Roger Gaudet (Bloc) asked Mrs. Lynne Yelich (Conservative). substantive question.The answer lists existing investments but does not address reinvestment or transferring the CMHC surplus.this government has made substantial investments in housing, with $1 billion in affordable housing, $270 million in a homelessness partnering strategy, and $1.4 billion in new housing trusts.
  37. misdirected
    TransportationMr. Nathan Cullen (NDP) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.The answer turns the question over to the transport minister instead of addressing government responsibility or apology.I am sure the Minister of Transport will be happy to sit down and take up the matter with the member.
  38. deflected
    JusticeIrwin Cotler (Liberal) asked Mr. Rob Moore (Conservative). loaded question.The answer notes an ongoing appeal but avoids addressing the inconsistency on seeking clemency.Mr. Smith has availed himself of some rights, in the country in which he is, to an appeal and it would be inappropriate to comment on that appeal at this time.
  39. deflected
    Human RightsScott Brison (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.The answer rejects the comparison but does not address the double standard on punishment for youth versus hate speech.The comparison, I think, between the two issues really does not apply.