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Tuesday, March 4, 2008 · sitting No. 59
House debates budget as Liberals press Cadman ethics questions
The House devoted the largest share of its sitting to debate on the budget. Members from all parties discussed the Conservative fiscal plan under government orders.
In question period Liberal Leader Stéphane Dion asked Prime Minister Stephen Harper whether his voice appeared on a tape concerning the Chuck Cadman matter. Harper replied that the facts were on the record and that Dion would have to defend his allegations in court. New Democratic Party Leader Jack Layton asked Harper to confirm whether his chief of staff leaked information to the Associated Press on the North American free trade agreement. Harper said the embassy had apologized and that the government was identifying the source.
Decided that day
- Government budgetary policy approved in general
From the Hansard record of the sitting. Full Hansard
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Who held the floor · 2008-03-04
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Older Workers
Bloc Québécois MP Yves Lessard asked Human Resources Minister Monte Solberg why the government had not created an income support program for older workers facing layoffs. Solberg said job creation for workers over 55 had been strong and that training remained the priority.
Read the exchangeFisheries
Bloc Québécois MP Raynald Blais pressed Fisheries Minister Loyola Hearn on a World Trade Organization draft text that could restrict support for port infrastructure and employment insurance. Hearn said the text was only a draft and would never be accepted by Canada.
Read the exchangeAboriginal Affairs
Conservative MP Patricia Davidson asked Indian Affairs Minister Chuck Strahl about the lack of protection for spouses on reserves when relationships end. Strahl said the government had introduced Bill C-47 to correct the inequality.
Read the exchangeThe Economy
New Democratic Party MP Thomas Mulcair asked Finance Minister Jim Flaherty why the budget contained no measures for manufacturing. Flaherty pointed to accelerated capital cost allowances worth $2.3 billion for machinery and equipment.
Read the exchangeHealth
New Democratic Party MP Judy Wasylycia-Leis asked Health Minister Tony Clement why the budget provided no new funds to address shortages of doctors and nurses. Clement said the government had increased health transfers by 6 per cent under the existing accord.
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- deflectedEthicsStéphane Dion (Liberal) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). substantive question.The answer restates party facts and mentions court instead of confirming the voice on the tape.
We wanted Chuck Cadman to rejoin our party.
- deflectedEthicsStéphane Dion (Liberal) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). substantive question.The answer again avoids the yes-or-no voice question by shifting to criminal allegations and court.
The Leader of the Opposition has made criminal allegations against me.
- partly answeredEthicsStéphane Dion (Liberal) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). rhetorical question.The answer concedes the voice but pivots to attacking the opposition's evidence and motion tactics.
Of course, Mr. Speaker, nobody suggested it is not my voice.
- deflectedEthicsMr. Michael Ignatieff (Liberal) asked Mr. James Moore (Conservative). substantive question.The answer is cut off and does not address the identities of the May 17 operatives.
- deflectedEthicsMr. Michael Ignatieff (Liberal) asked Mr. James Moore (Conservative). substantive question.The answer denies any May 17 offer and restates only the May 19 facts without naming anyone.
there was only one offer: that of May 19, 2005.
- partly answeredEthicsMr. Gilles Duceppe (Bloc) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). substantive question.The answer confirms awareness and financial support but frames it only as legal campaign assistance.
The party was prepared to help him with his nomination as a Conservative candidate and provide him with support for his election campaign, as Canadian law allows.
- deflectedEthicsMr. Gilles Duceppe (Bloc) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). loaded question.The answer repeats the standard line without addressing the contradiction about the already-nominated candidate.
We wanted Mr. Cadman to join the Conservative caucus.
- deflectedEthicsMrs. Carole Lavallée (Bloc) asked Mr. James Moore (Conservative). substantive question.The answer insists only the May 19 meeting occurred and names only Finley and Flanagan.
the only meeting at which an offer was made took place on May 19, 2005, and the people in attendance were Doug Finley and Tom Flanagan.
- answeredEthicsMrs. Carole Lavallée (Bloc) asked Mr. James Moore (Conservative). loaded question.The answer directly denies the premise of any prohibited financial offer.
Mr. Speaker, no such offer was made.
- partly answeredTradeJack Layton (NDP) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). loaded question.The answer addresses the identity of the leaker but avoids the demand to fire anyone.
The government is trying to identify who was responsible for leaking the information to the public; it was not my chief of staff.
- deflectedTradeJack Layton (NDP) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). loaded question.The answer begins to restate prior points without addressing the new accusation about the Prime Minister authorizing leaks.
Mr. Speaker, the leak of this particular document is--
- misdirectedTradeRalph Goodale (Liberal) asked Lawrence Cannon (Conservative). rhetorical question.The answer ignores the question entirely and instead insults the asker personally.
The only guy we're suing is you for your big mouth.
- deflectedEthicsKen Dryden (Liberal) asked Mr. James Moore (Conservative). loaded question.The answer changes the subject to a different interview rather than addressing the Prime Minister's taped words.
Mr. Speaker, I would cite for my colleague an interview between Chuck Cadman and Mike Duffy.
- deflectedEthicsKen Dryden (Liberal) asked Mr. James Moore (Conservative). loaded question.The answer repeats prior talking points and ends by attacking Liberal attendance instead of addressing the taped statements.
He did not show up last night. Only seven Liberals showed up.
- answeredEthicsDominic LeBlanc (Liberal) asked Mr. James Moore (Conservative). loaded question.The answer directly rebuts the factual premises about nominations and the nature of the offer.
Chuck Cadman would have automatically been a nominee.
- answeredEthicsDominic LeBlanc (Liberal) asked Mr. James Moore (Conservative). loaded question.The answer directly challenges the asker's claims with repeated facts about the single offer.
Mr. Cadman himself said on two occasions, on CTV national television and on Global, that there was only one offer, that of May 19, 2005.
- deflectedOlder WorkersMr. Yves Lessard (Bloc) asked Monte Solberg (Conservative). substantive question.The answer highlights job stats and training investments while mocking the questioner's party instead of addressing the specific $60 million program request.
I know the Bloc likes to hearken back to the 1980s and solutions that date back to the era of eight track tapes, but this government is convinced that older workers still have a lot to give.
- deflectedOlder WorkersMr. Robert Bouchard (Bloc) asked Monte Solberg (Conservative). substantive question.The answer boasts about Quebec unemployment rates and training without addressing the request for an income support program to keep workers in their regions.
Today Quebec enjoys the lowest unemployment rate it has enjoyed in a generation.
- answeredFisheriesMr. Raynald Blais (Bloc) asked Loyola Hearn (Conservative). substantive question.The answer directly rebuts the premise by stating the draft text is bracketed and will be opposed by Canada.
It will never see the light of day.
- misdirectedFisheriesMr. Raynald Blais (Bloc) asked Loyola Hearn (Conservative). substantive question.The answer pivots to urging passage of Bill C-32 rather than explaining how the government will defend fishing subsidies.
I told him to pass Bill C-32 so that I can help fishermen.
- deflectedEthicsMs. Ruby Dhalla (Liberal) asked Mr. James Moore (Conservative). loaded question.The answer restates the single-meeting narrative without addressing the May 17 date or Dona Cadman's statements.
There was only the one meeting with Doug Finley and Tom Flanagan.
- misdirectedEthicsMs. Ruby Dhalla (Liberal) asked Mr. James Moore (Conservative). loaded question.The answer attacks Liberal attendance at a vote instead of addressing the minister's alleged role in the meeting.
last night why did only seven Liberal MPs show up to vote on their own budget amendment?
- answeredEthicsMr. Don Bell (Liberal) asked Mr. James Moore (Conservative). substantive question.The answer directly states the only offer made was for Cadman to run as a Conservative candidate.
- deflectedEthicsMr. Don Bell (Liberal) asked Mr. James Moore (Conservative). substantive question.The answer reiterates the single-offer claim and attacks Liberals instead of providing documentation of any investigation.
I wish the Liberals would embrace the facts, instead of running away from it like Superman from kryptonite
- answeredThe EconomyMr. Thomas Mulcair (NDP) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). loaded question.The minister directly rebuts the claim of inaction by citing specific budget allocations for manufacturers.
There are $1 billion in accelerated capital cost allowances.
- partly answeredThe EconomyMr. Thomas Mulcair (NDP) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). substantive question.The response defends overall economic preparation and stimulus but ignores the specific contraction and job-loss statistics cited.
The stimulus already entering the Canadian economy is $21 billion, which is 1.4% of GDP.
- deflectedTradeNavdeep Bains (Liberal) asked Maxime Bernier (Conservative). loaded question.The answer denies interference in general terms without addressing the specific allegation about the chief of staff's leak.
What I can tell the House and the hon. member is that the American people will decide on their future and this government will not interfere in U.S. politics.
- deflectedTradeMr. Bernard Patry (Liberal) asked Maxime Bernier (Conservative). loaded question.The response reiterates non-interference and regret over a leak but avoids engaging the question of partisan damage to Canada's reputation.
The fact is, we have no intention of interfering in the campaign for the American presidency.
- deflectedTaxationDiane Marleau (Liberal) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). loaded question.The minister shifts focus to criticizing Ontario's tax rates rather than addressing the accusation of playing politics with job losses.
Its own competitive board, appointed by the Government of Ontario, says that not only are they the highest business taxes in Canada, but they are the highest in North America and the highest among the major economies.
- misdirectedArts and CultureMs. Tina Keeper (Liberal) asked Josée Verner (Conservative). loaded question.The answer pivots entirely to International Women's Week and voting rights, ignoring the question about the minister's absence and external influence.
Yesterday, I exercised the right to vote for which my grandmothers fought; this was not the case on the other side of the House.
- deflectedArts and CultureMrs. Maria Mourani (Bloc) asked Josée Verner (Conservative). substantive question.The response denies censorship and attacks the Bloc for changing positions instead of addressing the request to amend Bill C-10.
The leader of the Bloc gave us 24 hours to change our minds, but now they have four months.
- misdirectedArts and CultureMrs. Maria Mourani (Bloc) asked Josée Verner (Conservative). substantive question.The answer attacks the Bloc as sovereigntists rather than promising or refusing an amendment to remove the public-policy reference.
Anyone who does not share the opinion of the Bloc leader gets nothing but insults in this House.
- answeredForeign AffairsDan McTeague (Liberal) asked Maxime Bernier (Conservative). loaded question.The answer directly commits to seeking to overturn the verdict and assisting the appeal.
We absolutely want the verdict overturned.
- answeredHealthMs. Judy Wasylycia-Leis (NDP) asked Tony Clement (Conservative). loaded question.The answer corrects the premise and points to the specific funding increase in transfers for health human resources.
There was an increase of 6% on health care transfers found in the budget as part of the health accord
- deflectedHealthMs. Judy Wasylycia-Leis (NDP) asked Tony Clement (Conservative). loaded question.The answer ignores the question on family doctors and instead attacks the opposition for voting against the budget.
Perhaps the hon. member and her caucus could explain why they are voting against a budget that will in fact help the mentally ill, help the homeless, help our cities, help the middle class, lower income and all Canadians.
- deflectedMont Tremblant AirportMr. Pablo Rodriguez (Liberal) asked Stockwell Day (Conservative). loaded question.The answer avoids the customs charges issue and pivots to general investments and security in the region.
there have been a number of improvements and investments in that particular region that will not only assist trade but actually increase and enhance the whole area of security.
- misdirectedPoints of OrderDenis Coderre (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.The answer shifts focus to whether the member was recognized rather than addressing the request to review unparliamentary language.
I do not believe the Speaker had recognized the member for Bourassa at that time, so it was appropriate that he not be speaking at the time.
- deflectedPoints of OrderWayne Easter (Liberal) asked Gerry Ritz (Conservative). substantive question.The answer dismisses the need for consultation by redefining the legislative change instead of engaging the specific statutory requirements raised.