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Thursday, November 29, 2007 · sitting No. 27

Commons debates budget bill as surplus draws opposition fire

The House spent the largest share of its sitting on second reading of the Budget and Economic Statement Implementation Act 2007. Conservative MP Garth Turner defended the government's record of tax cuts and debt reduction while Liberal MP Keith Martin urged long-term investments in infrastructure and education. Bloc Québécois MP Serge Cardin accused both major parties of neglecting manufacturing and forestry workers.

In Question Period Liberal Leader Stéphane Dion pressed Justice Minister Rob Nicholson on whether his department had offered to delay extradition proceedings for Karlheinz Schreiber. Nicholson replied that general powers under the Extradition Act had been outlined in a letter to the ethics committee and that comment on any individual case would be inappropriate.

Bloc Québécois Leader Gilles Duceppe asked Finance Minister Jim Flaherty why the projected $11.6-billion surplus would be used almost entirely for debt reduction rather than assistance for low-income seniors and struggling manufacturers. Flaherty said the government had already delivered broad-based tax relief that would benefit the manufacturing sector.

Decided that day

  • Bill C-32 introduced
  • Bill C-298 advanced in first chamber

From the Hansard record of the sitting. Full Hansard

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Who held the floor · 2007-11-29

Government (Conservative)OppositionOver the day: government 30%, opposition 70% of the words spokenGovernment businessQuestion PeriodGovernment business▲ Government side held the floor▼ Opposition held the floorOpened 10:0511:0012:0013:0014:0015:0016:00Last speech 17:35Time of day, Ottawa · the House sat 7 h 30 min · each dot is a stretch of debate, placed at the minute it began
49Budget advances while answers mostly missThe sitting devoted the bulk of its time to the budget implementation act, with two bills moving forward. Question period produced far more deflected replies than direct answers.AI-rated Score out of 100; the verdict and the answer ratings behind it are a model’s reading. How the AI rates this

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Other moments

Justice

Liberal MP Dan McTeague asked whether the Minister of Public Safety had examined National Parole Board documents before deciding not to seek clemency for a Canadian on death row in the United States. Justice Minister Rob Nicholson said a lawsuit had been filed and comment would be inappropriate.

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HIV-AIDS

Liberal MP Carolyn Bennett accused the government of diverting $15 million from domestic HIV-AIDS programs to match a Gates Foundation grant. Parliamentary Secretary Steven Fletcher replied that the government would spend more than $84.4 million on HIV-AIDS next year.

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Perfluorooctane Sulfonate Virtual Elimination Act

Liberal MP Maria Minna presented Bill C-298 to add perfluorooctane sulfonate to the virtual elimination list under the Canadian Environmental Protection Act. Conservative MP James Lunney questioned the relevance of some of her remarks but the bill proceeded.

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Darfur

Liberal MP Keith Martin asked why Canada would not contribute air and ground transport to the new AU-UN hybrid force in Darfur. Secretary of State Helena Guergis said Canada is already the fourth-largest donor to the mission.

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Wireless Industry

Liberal MP Scott Brison asked whether Brian Mulroney or his associates had lobbied on the advanced wireless services auction. Parliamentary Secretary Colin Carrie called the suggestion nonsense and said the minister's announcement would increase competition.

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Question Period, exchange by exchange

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  1. deflected
    AirbusStéphane Dion (Liberal) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). loaded question.The answer avoids the specific accusation by limiting discussion to general powers and court cases.With respect to any individual case that is before the court, it would, of course, be inappropriate to comment.
  2. deflected
    AirbusStéphane Dion (Liberal) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). loaded question.The answer sidesteps the question entirely with a sarcastic remark about language rather than addressing the power issue.I listened very carefully to the hon. member's question and I must say that it makes even less sense in English.
  3. deflected
    AirbusStéphane Dion (Liberal) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). loaded question.The answer refuses to address the specific offer by claiming it would be inappropriate without engaging the contradiction raised.Surely he has had advice from somebody in his party who is aware of these matters that it would be totally inappropriate to comment on any specific case.
  4. answered
    AirbusMr. Michael Ignatieff (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.The answer directly denies any representations were made, addressing the exact question asked.
  5. answered
    AirbusMr. Michael Ignatieff (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.The answer repeats the denial but adds an insulting remark about the questioner's abilities.I would say that for a sophisticated legal mind, the member opposite should spend a little bit more time crafting his questions.
  6. deflected
    FinanceMr. Gilles Duceppe (Bloc) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). substantive question.The answer ignores the call for debate on the surplus and pivots to unrelated debt and tax talking points.I am proud of the fact that we have reduced debt by a remarkable amount in the 21 or 22 months that we have been in office.
  7. deflected
    FinanceMr. Gilles Duceppe (Bloc) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). substantive question.The answer shifts to prior tax cuts for business instead of addressing the refusal to debate surplus allocation for immediate needs.This is the strength in the Canadian economy--
  8. deflected
    FinanceMr. Paul Crête (Bloc) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). substantive question.The answer highlights general tax reductions but does not engage with the unanimous committee motion on manufacturing support.If the member opposite wants to talk about big business he can, but we are concerned about small and medium size businesses in Canada and reducing their tax burden.
  9. deflected
    FinanceMr. Paul Crête (Bloc) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). substantive question.The answer pivots to existing tax cuts and future meetings instead of addressing immediate action on manufacturing support.I do look forward tomorrow, as part of our prebudget consultations, to having the opportunity to listen to Quebec manufacturers in Quebec City where we will be tomorrow for prebudget consultations.
  10. deflected
    Human RightsJack Layton (NDP) asked Helena Guergis (Conservative). substantive question.The answer notes the ongoing meeting but avoids confirming whether human rights concerns were raised.I will remind the hon. member that the Prime Minister is meeting at this moment with the president of Russia.
  11. deflected
    Human RightsJack Layton (NDP) asked Helena Guergis (Conservative). substantive question.The answer affirms general human rights stance but declines to address the specific facts or discussion content.I cannot comment on exactly what is going on in the conversation at this very moment but I am sure the Prime Minister will relate that to Canadians as soon as it is complete.
  12. deflected
    AirbusRobert Thibault (Liberal) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). substantive question.The answer points to an existing process without guaranteeing Schreiber's continued presence in Canada.We should let Dr. Johnston do his work.
  13. deflected
    AirbusRobert Thibault (Liberal) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). loaded question.The question assumes a contradiction between the PM and Mulroney; the answer refers back to the independent review process.the Prime Minister addressed this matter on November 2 when he called for the appointment of an independent third party.
  14. deflected
    AirbusMarlene Jennings (Liberal) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). substantive question.The answer acknowledges interest in evidence but redirects to the upcoming public inquiry process.I think the hon. member should wait for that.
  15. misdirected
    AirbusMarlene Jennings (Liberal) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). loaded question.The answer dismisses the premise as wrong and pivots to the inquiry process without addressing the denial of correspondence.the hon. member's comments are wrong.
  16. deflected
    Manufacturing and Forestry IndustriesMs. Paule Brunelle (Bloc) asked Jean-Pierre Blackburn (Conservative). substantive question.The answer references general priorities and tools but does not commit to the proposed $1 billion fund or immediate measures.we are working on the forestry file.
  17. deflected
    Manufacturing and Forestry IndustriesMs. Paule Brunelle (Bloc) asked Jean-Pierre Blackburn (Conservative). substantive question.The answer promotes existing programs without addressing the proposed measures or debt allocation.in 18 months, 680 projects for the manufacturing sector in Quebec received assistance, resulting in 11,240 jobs maintained and 5,363 jobs created.
  18. deflected
    Employment InsuranceMr. Yves Lessard (Bloc) asked Monte Solberg (Conservative). substantive question.Responds with general improvements and stats but ignores the call for specific action on Bill C-269.the government has both improved benefits and reduced premiums.
  19. misdirected
    Guaranteed Income SupplementMr. Raymond Gravel (Bloc) asked Monte Solberg (Conservative). loaded question.The response accuses the questioner of misstatements and avoids committing to using surplus for GIS.there are so many misstatements in what the member says it is hard to know where to start.
  20. misdirected
    Wireless IndustryScott Brison (Liberal) asked Mr. Colin Carrie (Conservative). substantive question.Dismisses the inquiry as nonsense without answering about contacts.I cannot believe the nonsense.
  21. misdirected
    Wireless IndustryScott Brison (Liberal) asked Mr. Colin Carrie (Conservative). substantive question.Labels the question ridiculous and pivots to benefits of the policy.again this is totally ridiculous.
  22. misdirected
    HIV-AIDSCarolyn Bennett (Liberal) asked Mr. Steven Fletcher (Conservative). loaded question.Shifts blame to previous government instead of addressing the current action.I am really surprised that the member has the gall to stand up and complain about the $16 million in cuts that her government made
  23. misdirected
    HIV-AIDSCarolyn Bennett (Liberal) asked Mr. Steven Fletcher (Conservative). loaded question.Advises the member to chill out and highlights past record rather than reinstating funds.I encourage the member to embrace this government's approach and chill out.
  24. partly answered
    The EnvironmentMr. Nathan Cullen (NDP) asked John Baird (Conservative). loaded question.Addresses regulatory actions but blames the previous government without tackling the reported drop in investments.the government is working aggressively on massive regulatory measures against the large emitters
  25. deflected
    The EnvironmentMr. Nathan Cullen (NDP) asked John Baird (Conservative). loaded question.Answer states general policy signals but ignores the specific query on unsigned regulations.We are working aggressively on these measures, as I know industry is as well.
  26. deflected
    JusticeDan McTeague (Liberal) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). loaded question.Answer cites lawsuit to avoid addressing consultation on documents or policy change.Inasmuch as the individual in question has now filed an application or started a lawsuit, I think it would be inappropriate to comment.
  27. deflected
    JusticeDan McTeague (Liberal) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). loaded question.Answer again uses pending lawsuit to sidestep facts of the case and clemency decision.I listened carefully to the hon. member's question, but the individual in question has filed a lawsuit on this very issue with the Canadian courts and of course it would be inappropriate to comment.
  28. deflected
    JusticeAnita Neville (Liberal) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). loaded question.Answer repeats lawsuit reference without engaging the equality or decision-making question.I think we have made it very clear that a lawsuit has been filed on this matter, within the last couple of weeks, I believe, and therefore it would be inappropriate to comment.
  29. deflected
    JusticeAnita Neville (Liberal) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). loaded question.Answer offers only a one-sentence refusal to engage with the parole board documents or policy rationale.As I have said, Mr. Speaker, it would be inappropriate to comment.
  30. partly answered
    The EnvironmentMr. Bernard Bigras (Bloc) asked John Baird (Conservative). rhetorical question.Answer defends the throne speech adoption but does not address the Kyoto or opposition support claim directly.We put it all in the Speech from the Throne and it was adopted by this House.
  31. deflected
    The EnvironmentMr. Bernard Bigras (Bloc) asked John Baird (Conservative). rhetorical question.Answer pivots to confidence of the House and a jab at opposition rather than clarifying majority support.I would concede that I am a little bit more careful about my travelling companions.
  32. partly answered
    DarfurKeith Martin (Liberal) asked Helena Guergis (Conservative). substantive question.Answer notes Canada's donor status and ICC referral but does not explain the refusal to fund transport for the hybrid force.In fact, Canada is the fourth largest donor to this mission.
  33. deflected
    HIV-AIDSMs. Libby Davies (NDP) asked Mr. Steven Fletcher (Conservative). substantive question.Answer highlights own spending and blames prior government instead of addressing the specific funding cut and commitment.That is in fact the largest commitment in Canadian history.
  34. deflected
    HIV-AIDSMs. Libby Davies (NDP) asked Mr. Steven Fletcher (Conservative). substantive question.Answer repeats spending figure and partnership without confirming no cuts or new vaccine funding as asked.the government is making investments in HIV-AIDS that are historic in Canadian history and are the largest investments, at $84.4 million
  35. partly answered
    DarfurKeith Martin (Liberal) asked Helena Guergis (Conservative). substantive question.Answer states Canada is fourth largest donor but does not directly confirm or deny contribution to the hybrid force.Canada is the fourth largest donor to the mission.
  36. answered
    Equalization PaymentsMr. Bill Casey (Independent) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). substantive question.Answer offers additional briefings if current ones were insufficient, directly addressing the request to make projections public.If the member opposite feels that the briefings have not been adequately fulsome, then we can arrange for more briefings.
  37. partly answered
    Cinematic IndustryMr. Luc Malo (Bloc) asked Josée Verner (Conservative). substantive question.Answer affirms commitment to film industry including French-language component but does not address recognition of Quebec industry or specific funding request.the government is committed to the film industry in Canada, including its French-language component.
  38. misdirected
    Violence Against WomenMs. Alexa McDonough (NDP) asked Helena Guergis (Conservative). substantive question.Answer shifts to Afghanistan and criticizes NDP instead of addressing the missing plan of action for women in warfare.often we hear the NDP calling for us to abandon those women in Afghanistan.
  39. answered
    Manufacturing IndustryMr. Lloyd St. Amand (Liberal) asked Jim Flaherty (Conservative). substantive question.Answer points to specific March 19 budget measure providing assistance to manufacturers as requested.We did it in on March 19, with an accelerated capital cost allowance, which was recommended unanimously by the industry committee of the House.
  40. answered
    Business of the HouseRalph Goodale (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.Answer outlines the agenda for the coming days including the last opposition day timing implicitly via the schedule.Next week will be economic certainty and prosperity week.