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Friday, April 27, 2007 · sitting No. 142

Commons approves protocol for deputy ministers at public accounts committee

The House of Commons concurred in the 13th report of the Standing Committee on Public Accounts on Friday after Liberal MP Judy Sgro moved the motion. The report establishes a protocol setting ground rules for deputy ministers and agency heads when they appear before the committee to account for the management of public money. Sgro said the protocol clarifies that officials answer to Parliament for financial administration while ministers retain constitutional responsibility.

In question period Liberal MP Michael Ignatieff challenged the government on access to Afghan detention facilities and called for the dismissal of the minister of national defence. Conservative MP Peter Van Loan said opposition members were repeating falsehoods after arrangements with the Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission were clarified and accused them of helping the Taliban.

Bloc Québécois MP Monique Guay pressed the government to meet Kyoto targets on schedule rather than in 2025 and to adopt absolute rather than intensity-based greenhouse gas reductions. Conservative MP Peter Van Loan said the plan imposes mandatory ceilings that will cut industrial emissions in half by 2015 and accused previous Liberal governments of allowing emissions to rise.

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Who held the floor · 2007-04-27

Government (Conservative)OppositionOver the day: government 51%, opposition 49% of the words spokenGovernment businessQuestion PeriodRoutine proceedings▲ Government side held the floor▼ Opposition held the floorOpened 10:0511:0012:00Last speech 13:20Time of day, Ottawa · the House sat 3 h 15 min · each dot is a stretch of debate, placed at the minute it began
29House talks, committees hum, little decidedThe sitting devoted most time to committee reports and Afghanistan with no recorded votes taken. Question period produced mostly deflected or misdirected answers and six points of order.AI-rated Score out of 100; the verdict and the answer ratings behind it are a model’s reading. How the AI rates this

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Other moments

Senate Appointment Consultations Act

NDP MP Paul Dewar said Bill C-43 on Senate appointment consultations could not bypass constitutional requirements for reform and urged respect for the Westminster model and the Quebec conference debates. Conservative MP Jay Hill said the NDP was engaging in nonsense that had blocked substantive reform for years.

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Aboriginal Affairs

Liberal MP Gary Merasty said the government had failed aboriginal children by cutting child welfare funding, killing the Kelowna accord and refusing to rebuild burned schools. Conservative MP Rod Bruinooge said the government had made large investments and urged passage of Bill C-44 to extend human rights on reserves.

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Veterans Affairs

Liberal MP Rodger Cuzner asked when the government would extend VIP benefits to all second world war and Korean war veterans and widows as promised. Conservative MP Greg Thompson said the government had increased benefits by half a billion dollars and rejected the Liberals' ad hoc approach.

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Trade

Conservative MP James Bezan asked whether officials were participating in talks on bulk water exports. Conservative MP Helena Guergis said the government was not participating in or financing the meeting and had no intention of negotiating exports.

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Canadian Heritage

NDP MP Paul Dewar asked where the national portrait gallery would be housed and whether it would be given to corporate friends. Conservative MP Jim Abbott defended public-private partnerships and cited the Winnipeg museum expansion.

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Question Period, exchange by exchange

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  1. misdirected
    AfghanistanMr. Michael Ignatieff (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.The answer attacks the opposition for repeating falsehoods instead of addressing the question about the Prime Minister's sources.The fact is they keep restating false accusations again and again, and they are doing it today, after they have been proven wrong again and again.
  2. deflected
    AfghanistanMr. Michael Ignatieff (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.The answer shifts to criticizing the previous Liberal government's detainee policy rather than clarifying current access facts.The reality is that the previous Liberal government, which had sent our troops into Afghanistan, had for almost the entire period it was in government no policy whatsoever on detainees.
  3. misdirected
    AfghanistanMr. Michael Ignatieff (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.The answer accuses the opposition of helping the Taliban and quotes a past Liberal instead of responding to the call for dismissal.the opposition members should really stop inventing stories to help the Taliban.
  4. deflected
    AfghanistanMs. Ruby Dhalla (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.The answer cites a Dutch general's lack of abuse reports to counter claims without addressing government disarray or firing the minister.Responding to news that Canadians have a new arrangement to inspect detention facilities, Dutch Major General Ton van Loon said he has not heard of any specific cases of abuse in the six months he has been in charge of NATO troops.
  5. partly answered
    AfghanistanMs. Ruby Dhalla (Liberal) asked Stockwell Day (Conservative). loaded question.The answer provides specific detainee numbers and facility access details but ends by attacking the opposition for false allegations.We have had access to those three facilities.
  6. deflected
    The EnvironmentMs. Monique Guay (Bloc) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.The answer discusses past Liberal emission increases instead of explaining why Kyoto targets cannot be met on time.Since the Liberals promised to reduce greenhouse gas emissions in 1997, emissions have not stopped increasing.
  7. deflected
    The EnvironmentMs. Monique Guay (Bloc) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.The answer states the new policy on mandatory ceilings without addressing the inconsistency with the Bloc motion or Quebec impacts.For the very first time, Canada is forcing industry to reduce its greenhouse gas emissions and atmospheric pollutants.
  8. misdirected
    The EnvironmentMr. Bernard Bigras (Bloc) asked Mr. Mark Warawa (Conservative). loaded question.The answer claims the plan is realistic and blames Liberals for rising emissions rather than addressing Quebec's concerns about credits and fairness.Under the Liberals, for 13 years, the greenhouse gas emissions continued to climb and went up, up, up.
  9. misdirected
    The EnvironmentMr. Bernard Bigras (Bloc) asked Mr. Mark Warawa (Conservative). loaded question.Answer attacks Liberals instead of addressing Quebec penalty guarantee.I am really surprised that the member did not notice that after 13 years of Liberal inaction, greenhouse gas emissions had risen 35% above the Kyoto target.
  10. deflected
    AfghanistanMs. Libby Davies (NDP) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.Answer blames opposition for changing stories rather than addressing ministers' conflicting accounts.when the opposition continues to make false allegations and repeat false allegations there is no wonder the story keeps changing.
  11. deflected
    AfghanistanMs. Libby Davies (NDP) asked Stockwell Day (Conservative). substantive question.Answer shifts to praising corrections officers instead of explaining conflicting government stories.it is fascinating to hear a member of the NDP say that there was no document about our officers going over there.
  12. misdirected
    AfghanistanRaymond Simard (Liberal) asked Stockwell Day (Conservative). loaded question.Answer demands apology and attacks Liberal accusations instead of clarifying detainee monitoring.I would like him to stand and take responsibility for false allegations and say that he is sorry.
  13. misdirected
    AfghanistanRaymond Simard (Liberal) asked Stockwell Day (Conservative). loaded question.Answer accuses member of repeating falsehoods and demands apology rather than addressing contradictions.It is the responsibility of all members, whenever they say something, especially something as important as the name of our soldiers and our federal corrections officers, to not continually repeat false statements.
  14. misdirected
    AfghanistanIrwin Cotler (Liberal) asked Helena Guergis (Conservative). substantive question.Answer blames previous Liberal government instead of explaining response to torture reports.In fact, there were five reports and four out of five reports were given to the previous Liberal government.
  15. misdirected
    AfghanistanIrwin Cotler (Liberal) asked Helena Guergis (Conservative). loaded question.Answer attacks Liberals for trusting Taliban over Canadian troops instead of addressing government responsibility.What Canadians deserve to know is why it is the Liberals in the opposition continually take what the Taliban, the alleged terrorists, have to say to be the gospel truth but when Canadians, brave Canadian men and women, say something they ignore it.
  16. partly answered
    AfghanistanMrs. Vivian Barbot (Bloc) asked Stockwell Day (Conservative). loaded question.Answer describes corrections officers' role but avoids addressing minister's resignation or contradictions.the Correctional Service Canada officers are there to help improve the conditions in the prisons and in other institutions, to help train the Afghan officers to work in the prisons and also to verify and ensure that there is no torture.
  17. misdirected
    AfghanistanMrs. Vivian Barbot (Bloc) asked Stockwell Day (Conservative). loaded question.Answer attacks opposition and questions their motives rather than addressing transfers or dismissal.They will insult our military.
  18. deflected
    AfghanistanMs. Pauline Picard (Bloc) asked Helena Guergis (Conservative). loaded question.Answer shifts to accusing opposition of believing Taliban instead of addressing secrecy or transparency.Opposition members might just want to think about that and might just want to give our Canadian brave men and women the benefit of the doubt.
  19. deflected
    The EnvironmentMs. Pauline Picard (Bloc) asked Mr. Mark Warawa (Conservative). loaded question.Answer praises government record but ignores the specific complaint about excluding opposition from announcement.For 13 years, we had a Liberal government where emissions continued to rise.
  20. misdirected
    The EnvironmentMr. David McGuinty (Liberal) asked Mr. Mark Warawa (Conservative). loaded question.Answer attacks Liberals on past record and insults the asker instead of addressing Kyoto abandonment.This is the kind of grandstanding that is the reason we're not having policy in Canada
  21. deflected
    The EnvironmentMr. David McGuinty (Liberal) asked Mr. Mark Warawa (Conservative). loaded question.Answer repeats attacks on Liberals and quotes media but avoids returning Bill C-30 or Kyoto issues.It is that party that abandoned Kyoto.
  22. deflected
    The EnvironmentMr. Mark Holland (Liberal) asked Mr. Mark Warawa (Conservative). loaded question.Answer cites a Liberal supporter and attacks past Liberal plans without addressing the new plan's details.The Liberal plan was to destroy the economy.
  23. deflected
    The EnvironmentMr. Mark Holland (Liberal) asked Mr. Mark Warawa (Conservative). loaded question.Answer blames Liberals for inaction and restates targets but does not address abandonment of Kyoto or clean air act.if the Liberals had taken action on the environment when they were in government, we would have met the Kyoto target
  24. deflected
    The EnvironmentMr. Nathan Cullen (NDP) asked Mr. Mark Warawa (Conservative). substantive question.Answer claims the plan would have met targets if introduced earlier but sidesteps the request for a free vote on the act.the fact is that if the plan we introduced yesterday had been introduced in 1997, we would have met the Kyoto targets.
  25. deflected
    The EnvironmentMr. Nathan Cullen (NDP) asked Mr. Mark Warawa (Conservative). substantive question.Answer promotes the plan's benefits but ignores the request for a parliamentary vote.The plan is real. It reduces greenhouse gas emissions by 20% by 2020.
  26. misdirected
    Aboriginal AffairsMr. Gary Merasty (Liberal) asked Mr. Rod Bruinooge (Conservative). substantive question.Answer shifts to criticizing Liberals and Bill C-44 instead of addressing aboriginal child welfare priorities.I would like to point out the fact that unfortunately the Liberal Party of Canada is slowing down the process on an important bill that we have brought forward, Bill C-44
  27. partly answered
    Aboriginal AffairsAnita Neville (Liberal) asked Mr. Rod Bruinooge (Conservative). substantive question.Answer addresses the residential schools agreement and reconciliation but does not mention an apology.We signed the residential schools agreement just last year.
  28. deflected
    Veterans AffairsMr. Rodger Cuzner (Liberal) asked Greg Thompson (Conservative). substantive question.Answer attacks Liberal record instead of addressing the Prime Minister's promise on VIP benefits.I think everyone will acknowledge that we have done more for veterans in our first 13 months in office than the Liberals did in 13 years.
  29. deflected
    Veterans AffairsMr. Roger Valley (Liberal) asked Greg Thompson (Conservative). substantive question.Answer highlights past actions and criticizes Liberals rather than committing to the health system report.Again, we are not going to do it in the ad hoc, make it up as we go along approach that the Liberals always take.
  30. deflected
    Status of WomenMs. Nicole Demers (Bloc) asked Mrs. Lynne Yelich (Conservative). substantive question.Answer discusses funding increases but does not address the live-in caregiver policy or injustice.Under our government, women's programs have the highest budget ever in the history of the Status of Women.
  31. answered
    World BankMr. Thierry St-Cyr (Bloc) asked Ms. Diane Ablonczy (Conservative). substantive question.Answer directly explains the process being followed for the allegations without evasion.In fact, the process is being followed.
  32. deflected
    Agriculture and Agri-FoodWayne Easter (Liberal) asked Christian Paradis (Conservative). substantive question.Answer describes new programs but avoids reinstating the original options program rules.We want to replace the CAIS with a savings account program with increased assistance for rising production costs, a disaster relief program, improved production insurance and an improved margin based program.
  33. partly answered
    Community Access ProgramMs. Denise Savoie (NDP) asked Mr. Colin Carrie (Conservative). substantive question.Answer confirms funding exists but provides no details on budget, status, or timeline for the groups mentioned.I am pleased to say that this government has ensured that the community access program will be funded for 2007-08.
  34. deflected
    Post-Secondary EducationMs. Denise Savoie (NDP) asked Mrs. Lynne Yelich (Conservative). substantive question.Answer shifts to praising past budget investments instead of addressing loan fixes or consultation timing.I remind the member that stakeholders have praised the investments made by the government to post-secondary education in the last budget.
  35. misdirected
    Passport CanadaMr. Jean-Claude D'Amours (Liberal) asked Helena Guergis (Conservative). loaded question.Answer attacks the previous Liberal government rather than addressing current passport delays or recruitment timeline.It is a fact. Canadians are having problems with passports and it stems back to the previous Liberal government's inability to deal with the issue then.
  36. answered
    AfghanistanMr. Raymond Gravel (Bloc) asked Stockwell Day (Conservative). substantive question.Answer directly states the number of officers and facilities visited.as I indicated earlier, we have two corrections officers over there and they have been into three facilities presently.
  37. deflected
    Canadian HeritageMr. Paul Dewar (NDP) asked Mr. Jim Abbott (Conservative). loaded question.Answer pivots to defending public-private partnerships instead of stating the portrait gallery location decision.I rather suspect he does not like the idea of public-private partnerships.
  38. deflected
    Canadian HeritageRalph Goodale (Liberal) asked Stockwell Day (Conservative). substantive question.Answer avoids confirming whether officials have seen detainees and instead defends the work being done.I want to be careful not to bump up against that last point of order, but in a situation where somebody uses a point of order to cause question and doubt on the good work of—