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Thursday, April 26, 2007 · sitting No. 141
NDP motion condemns Afghanistan mission as supply debate takes most of day
The House spent the largest share of its sitting on a supply-day motion moved by NDP Leader Jack Layton that condemns the government's counter-insurgency mission in Afghanistan and calls for immediate notice to NATO of Canada's intention to begin withdrawal. Conservative MP Jay Hill and Secretary of State Helena Guergis challenged Layton's assessment of the mission's progress and international support, while Layton and NDP MP Dawn Black defended the call for a new approach focused on development and diplomacy.
In Question Period, Liberal Leader Stéphane Dion pressed Prime Minister Stephen Harper on conflicting statements by the defence minister and the chief of the defence staff over access to Afghan detainees, with Harper accusing Dion of reckless allegations. The exchange followed earlier privilege claims by Liberal MP Paul Szabo and Bloc Québécois MP Pierre Paquette that the government had misled the House on the same issue.
Other exchanges saw NDP MP Charlie Angus accuse Heritage Minister Bev Oda of improper handling of festival funding and Liberal MP Scott Simms claim Atlantic Conservative MPs were prepared to vote against the budget.
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Who held the floor · 2007-04-26
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Privilege
Liberal MP Paul Szabo argued the government had deliberately misled the House on Afghan detainee access, breaching members' privileges.
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Conservative MP Rod Bruinooge presented a petition from Winnipeg South constituents concerning the Canadian Wheat Board.
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NDP MP David Christopherson called for a full public inquiry into allegations of theft and cover-ups in the RCMP pension fund.
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Bloc Québécois MP Réal Ménard said the appointment of unilingual anglophone Steve Sullivan as victims-of-crime ombudsman was unacceptable.
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Liberal MP Roger Valley said the softwood lumber agreement was a sellout that left a billion dollars of Canadian money with the United States.
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- misdirectedAfghanistanStéphane Dion (Liberal) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). substantive question.The answer attacks the opposition leader with accusations instead of addressing awareness of the agreement or its form.
That is a false and irresponsible allegation. He should apologize to the Canadian military.
- deflectedAfghanistanStéphane Dion (Liberal) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). substantive question.The answer repeats prior talking points about consultations and access while avoiding who is right about monitoring or showing the agreement.
We have found no evidence there is any access blocked to the prisons.
- misdirectedAfghanistanStéphane Dion (Liberal) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). substantive question.The answer shifts to attacking the Liberal Party's alleged bias against the military rather than addressing confidence in the minister.
The real problem is the willingness of the leader of the Liberal Party and his colleagues to believe, to repeat and to exaggerate any charge against the Canadian military
- deflectedAfghanistanMr. Michael Ignatieff (Liberal) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). substantive question.The answer lists consultations and declares the asker wrong without clarifying the conflicting stories or the arrangement with NDS.
The only person wrong is the deputy leader when he made allegations that we could not get access and nobody could get access to prisons in Afghanistan.
- misdirectedAfghanistanMr. Michael Ignatieff (Liberal) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). substantive question.The answer challenges the asker to repeat allegations outside the House instead of addressing responsibility for misleading statements or cover-up.
If that member is making an allegation against me or any member of this government that we have interfered in the access to information process, the member should have the guts to make it outside or withdraw it.
- misdirectedAfghanistanMr. Gilles Duceppe (Bloc) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). substantive question.The answer pivots to praising government support for the forces and criticizing the opposition instead of confirming whether an agreement exists.
this government alone is supporting the Canadian Forces.
- misdirectedAfghanistanMr. Gilles Duceppe (Bloc) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). loaded question.The answer attacks the Bloc as separatists accusing the military of Geneva violations rather than confirming or tabling any agreement.
After making such a statement, they then accuse our military of breaking the Geneva convention.
- misdirectedAfghanistanMr. Claude Bachand (Bloc) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). substantive question.The answer rejects suggestions of violations and praises troops while avoiding the question of prior agreements being worthless or tabling the deal.
I reject any suggestion that our troops are violating our international agreements.
- misdirectedAfghanistanMr. Claude Bachand (Bloc) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). loaded question.The answer attacks the opposition instead of addressing claims about the Geneva convention or resignation.
The only ones discredited by these allegations are the opposition parties and the member.
- deflectedAfghanistanJack Layton (NDP) asked Stockwell Day (Conservative). substantive question.The answer begins but provides no response to the questions on access or firing the minister.
- misdirectedAfghanistanJack Layton (NDP) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). loaded question.The answer disputes allegations and urges withdrawal rather than confirming facts on access or firing.
The question is why the leader of the NDP does not simply withdraw the allegation rather than continuing to bash the mission and the Canadian military.
- deflectedAfghanistanStéphane Dion (Liberal) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). substantive question.The answer shifts to criticizing the prior Liberal government instead of identifying who monitors detainees.
For four years, in spite of repeated reports about these kinds of concerns in Afghanistan, the previous Liberal government had no policy on detainees whatsoever.
- misdirectedAfghanistanRobert Thibault (Liberal) asked Helena Guergis (Conservative). loaded question.The answer demands an apology for false accusations without addressing trust or knowledge of abuse.
Rather than continue to repeat these false accusations, they should simply apologize.
- deflectedAfghanistanIrwin Cotler (Liberal) asked Stockwell Day (Conservative). substantive question.The answer pivots to Taliban training manuals instead of confirming compliance with international law on transfers.
Taliban members train with them and use the same manual procedures.
- misdirectedAfghanistanIrwin Cotler (Liberal) asked Stockwell Day (Conservative). substantive question.The answer attacks the opposition's past silence rather than explaining the court strategy on standing.
When British soldiers were captured by a regime that tortured and killed Zahra Kazemi, we heard nothing from the opposition about those prisoners.
- deflectedAfghanistanMs. Francine Lalonde (Bloc) asked Stockwell Day (Conservative). substantive question.The answer highlights prison visits but ignores the minister's surprise at the verbal agreement and unread report.
The official I spoke to two days ago said that he had been to the prison at least 15 times.
- deflectedAfghanistanMs. Francine Lalonde (Bloc) asked Stockwell Day (Conservative). substantive question.The answer ignores the specific query on agreement terms and instead accuses the opposition of disinterest and believing false claims.
I wonder why opposition members did not read the information that I and others were putting out about corrections officers going to Afghanistan.
- answeredAfghanistanMrs. Vivian Barbot (Bloc) asked Helena Guergis (Conservative). substantive question.The answer directly confirms that a formal agreement will be drafted to ensure Geneva convention compliance.
In fact, to assure there are no such reckless, false accusations going forward, foreign affairs officials will proceed in drafting a formal agreement.
- partly answeredAfghanistanMrs. Vivian Barbot (Bloc) asked Stockwell Day (Conservative). substantive question.The answer addresses visits in Kandahar but does not cover prisons outside that area as asked.
Yesterday, federal corrections officials and Foreign Affairs officials were in the Kandahar detention facility, not in the prison itself, and again received an open invitation to visit anytime
- misdirectedAfghanistanDiane Marleau (Liberal) asked Stockwell Day (Conservative). substantive question.The answer attacks the opposition for panic and false allegations instead of providing details or timeline on the agreement.
it is too bad that the millions of viewers who are glued to their television sets right now cannot see the panic on the opposition side as those members are backpedalling
- partly answeredAfghanistanDiane Marleau (Liberal) asked Stockwell Day (Conservative). substantive question.The answer confirms Correctional Service Canada involvement but dismisses the asker as panicked without giving a timeline.
As I have already indicated, Correctional Service Canada has been involved for some period of time.
- answeredAfghanistanRalph Goodale (Liberal) asked Stockwell Day (Conservative). substantive question.The answer directly addresses the registry question with details from the recent visit.
We do not know for how many years or whether it was always intact but there is a registry of all the names and our officials were allowed to inspect those names.
- misdirectedAfghanistanRalph Goodale (Liberal) asked Stockwell Day (Conservative). loaded question.The answer mocks the asker for shifting points and demands an apology rather than addressing the call for a new minister.
these are serious matters so it is hard not to find it a bit humourous when the member gets up with his first question thinking he has us on the registry and then, when I say that the individuals saw the registry yesterday, he says that the registry is not important.
- deflectedCanadian HeritageMr. Charlie Angus (NDP) asked Bev Oda (Conservative). substantive question.The answer explains the general process but avoids apologizing or correcting the record as specifically requested.
The criteria has yet to be established, which is why we are asking all MPs for their input.
- deflectedCanadian HeritageMr. Charlie Angus (NDP) asked Bev Oda (Conservative). loaded question.The answer promotes government consultations without addressing the call for resignation or accusations of misconduct.
this government wants to meet the real needs of our communities.
- partly answeredAfghanistanStéphane Dion (Liberal) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). substantive question.The answer states that evidence was provided today but does not confirm the specific version from the security minister.
We are doing that and we have done that today.
- misdirectedAfghanistanStéphane Dion (Liberal) asked Stockwell Day (Conservative). substantive question.The answer attacks the opposition for believing allegations instead of addressing the question about confirming the minister's statements.
I appreciate the fact that the Leader of the Opposition has totally lost it today.
- deflectedThe BudgetMr. Scott Simms (Liberal) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). loaded question.The answer discusses a provincial budget instead of addressing caucus concerns or the federal budget's impact.
It sounds like a good Conservative budget to me.
- deflectedThe BudgetMr. Scott Simms (Liberal) asked Ms. Diane Ablonczy (Conservative). loaded question.The answer dismisses concerns as wishful thinking without addressing broken promises or budget fault lines.
this is wishful thinking on the part of opposition members.
- answeredGovernment AppointmentsMr. Réal Ménard (Bloc) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). substantive question.The answer directly addresses the bilingualism concern by noting the appointee will serve in both languages.
He will give a voice to victims and he will do it in both official languages.
- partly answeredCanadian HeritageMrs. Carole Freeman (Bloc) asked Bev Oda (Conservative). substantive question.The answer states a request is under review but does not explain hesitation on granting national status.
We have a request that is being analyzed and reviewed by the department.
- answeredEmployment InsuranceMark Eyking (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.The answer directly states that the royal recommendation will not be brought forward.
the Speaker has ruled. The answer is no.
- deflectedBusiness of the HouseRalph Goodale (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.The answer details parts of the agenda but entirely omits any reference to the requested timing for Bill C-30.
Next week we will focus on making our streets and communities safer by cracking down on crime.
- deflectedPoints of OrderRalph Goodale (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.The answer reinterprets the remark instead of addressing the request to withdraw the words from the record.
I believe the President of the Treasury Board was making reference to the fact that the Liberal opposition has been very quick to accept any allegations of maltreatment that the Taliban prisoners have made in Afghanistan