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Wednesday, September 17, 2025 · sitting No. 23
Commons debates Strong Borders Act as Poilievre presses Carney on deficit
The House devoted the largest share of the sitting to debate of Bill C-2, the Strong Borders Act, at second reading. Liberal MP Angelo Iacono said the bill would strengthen border security, speed asylum processing and respect the Charter. Conservative MP Rhonda Kirkland asked why the bill contained no bail reforms.
In Question Period, Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre asked three times for the size of the deficit six months into the fiscal year. Prime Minister Mark Carney replied that the November 4 budget would set out major investments and that uncertainty stemmed from U.S. tariffs. Bloc Québécois Leader Yves-François Blanchet asked whether the government would respect provincial use of the notwithstanding clause; Carney said the Supreme Court would decide its legality.
Decided that day
- C-221 introduced
- C-220 introduced
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Housing
Conservative MP Melissa Lantsman said housing starts are down 16 per cent and questioned the $13-billion housing bureaucracy led by former mayors who oversaw sharp price increases; Liberal MP Gregor Robertson replied that announced projects would support up to 45,000 new affordable homes.
Read the exchangeImmigration, Refugees and Citizenship
Conservative MP Michelle Rempel Garner said new housing completions are at record lows while immigration levels remain too high; Liberal MP Lena Metlege Diab said the government has cut temporary-resident admissions by half and study permits by nearly 90,000 in the first half of 2025.
Read the exchangeThe Economy
Conservative MP Scot Davidson said Toronto food-bank visits have reached four million under the Liberals; Liberal MP John Zerucelli replied that major projects and nation-building investments would create jobs and ease cost-of-living pressures.
Read the exchangeHon. Ken Dryden
Liberal MP Mark Carney led tributes to the late Ken Dryden, recalling his Stanley Cup titles and work on child care; Conservative MP John Brassard, Bloc Québécois MP Martin Champoux, NDP MP Leah Gazan and Green MP Elizabeth May also spoke of Dryden's public service.
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- deflectedFinancePierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Mark Carney (Liberal). substantive question.The answer ignores the deficit size query and shifts to announcing a future budget.
There will be a new government budget on November 4. It will be an investment budget, with the largest investment in Canada in a generation.
- deflectedFinancePierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Mark Carney (Liberal). substantive question.The answer avoids the deficit size and instead promotes upcoming investment plans.
I am looking forward, with the Minister of Finance , to releasing the budget on November 4.
- deflectedFinancePierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Mark Carney (Liberal). loaded question.The answer thanks the asker sarcastically then pivots to tariffs instead of addressing deficit knowledge.
I thank the Leader of the Opposition for the compliment. Yes, I am a leading financial and budget expert.
- deflectedFinancePierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Mark Carney (Liberal). loaded question.The answer sidesteps the deficit question and highlights lower interest rates instead.
One thing I know is that Canadian interest rates are much lower than American interest rates.
- deflectedFinancePierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Mark Carney (Liberal). loaded question.The answer rejects the characterization and lists fiscal anchors without confirming deficit size.
I do not recognize that characterization. I just appointed the Parliamentary Budget Officer, and this government does have fiscal anchors.
- partly answeredFinancePierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Mark Carney (Liberal). loaded question.The answer directly addresses making the PBO position permanent but ignores the deficit size demand.
I look forward to speaking to the Leader of the Opposition, the leader of the Bloc Québécois and the leaders of other parties in Parliament so we have a consensus on that appointment.
- answeredJusticeYves-François Blanchet (Bloc) asked Mark Carney (Liberal). substantive question.The answer directly states the government's responsibility regarding the Charter and Supreme Court role.
one of the most important responsibilities of the Government of Canada is to defend the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
- answeredJusticeYves-François Blanchet (Bloc) asked Mark Carney (Liberal). loaded question.The answer directly rejects the premise and reiterates the Supreme Court will rule.
The Supreme Court of Canada will rule on the appropriate use of the notwithstanding clause.
- deflectedJusticeYves-François Blanchet (Bloc) asked Mark Carney (Liberal). substantive question.The answer invokes separation of powers without addressing respect for Quebec consensus on the Constitution.
The decision will be made by the Supreme Court, not by the members of Parliament from Quebec or anywhere else in Canada.
- deflectedFinanceKelly Block (Conservative) asked François-Philippe Champagne (Liberal). substantive question.The answer pivots to praising an upcoming budget instead of stating deficit levels or fiscal anchors.
It is going to be a generational investment in the future of this nation.
- deflectedFinanceKelly Block (Conservative) asked François-Philippe Champagne (Liberal). substantive question.The answer highlights a rate cut and claims the plan is working without addressing deficit size or inflation impact.
The rate has gone down to 2.5% today.
- misdirectedFinanceRaquel Dancho (Conservative) asked Patty Hajdu (Liberal). substantive question.The answer reframes to past election mandate and investments rather than quantifying added debt.
They chose a Liberal government because they know they need investment.
- deflectedFinanceRaquel Dancho (Conservative) asked Mélanie Joly (Liberal). substantive question.The answer cites the rate cut and foreign investment without addressing deficit accounting or fiscal anchors.
The Bank of Canada has reduced the interest rate to 2.5%.
- deflectedEmploymentLianne Rood (Conservative) asked Anna Gainey (Liberal). loaded question.The answer promotes nation-building projects without engaging the claim that the jobs plan has failed.
This new government is getting busy with nation-building projects, which will create quality jobs
- deflectedFinanceLuc Berthold (Conservative) asked François-Philippe Champagne (Liberal). substantive question.The answer again promotes the November 4 budget without providing deficit projections or fiscal anchors.
We are going to build our country.
- misdirectedFinanceLuc Berthold (Conservative) asked Joël Lightbound (Liberal). loaded question.The answer lists tax cuts and projects instead of addressing deficit size or inflation effects.
We are increasing Canadians' purchasing power by lowering taxes for 22 million Canadians.
- deflectedJusticeRhéal Éloi Fortin (Bloc) asked Sean Fraser (Liberal). loaded question.Answer sidesteps the yes/no eligibility question by pivoting to judicial independence.
we are aware of the legal challenge to the appointment of this judge to the Quebec Superior Court.
- deflectedJusticeRhéal Éloi Fortin (Bloc) asked Sean Fraser (Liberal). loaded question.Answer avoids the demand to relieve the judge by restating general principles on independence and merit.
We appoint judges based on their quality and on their merit, not on their partisan affiliation.
- deflectedThe EconomyScot Davidson (Conservative) asked John Zerucelli (Liberal). loaded question.Answer ignores the food bank and deficit question to promote government projects instead.
We are building big, building bold and building right now.
- deflectedThe EconomyScot Davidson (Conservative) asked Wayne Long (Liberal). loaded question.Answer changes subject to budget consultations and nation-building rather than addressing food bank or spending concerns.
Their message was resoundingly clear. They want us to spend less on government operations and invest more in our economy
- misdirectedThe EconomyLaila Goodridge (Conservative) asked Patty Hajdu (Liberal). loaded question.Answer attacks Conservatives for proposing cuts instead of addressing grocery prices or deficit.
- misdirectedThe EconomyLaila Goodridge (Conservative) asked Stephanie McLean (Liberal). loaded question.Answer shifts to seniors' programs and ignores the food inflation and deficit question entirely.
this government is protecting Canadians, and that includes seniors: their safety, their right to housing, their retirement security.
- partly answeredThe EconomyJoël Godin (Conservative) asked Joël Lightbound (Liberal). substantive question.Answer lists some affordability measures but does not directly address easing the burden for families, seniors and youth.
That is why one of the first things that we did was to lower taxes for 22 million Canadians.
- deflectedPublic SafetyLarry Brock (Conservative) asked Ruby Sahota (Liberal). loaded question.Answer avoids explaining why bail laws persist by listing future plans instead.
The next thing we are going to do is stiffen bail and make sentencing a lot stricter.
- deflectedPublic SafetyLarry Brock (Conservative) asked Sean Fraser (Liberal). loaded question.Answer agrees on principle but avoids committing to the specific Conservative bill requested.
dangerous people who commit serious crimes should not be walking freely in our streets if they pose a public safety threat to Canadians.
- partly answeredJusticeFred Davies (Conservative) asked Sean Fraser (Liberal). loaded question.Answer condemns the crime and outlines planned legislative changes on conditional sentences but does not address the demand for immediate action today.
As we seek to move forward with legislation, we will be restricting conditional sentence orders when it comes to sexual crimes and sexual crimes against children.
- deflectedJusticePierre Paul-Hus (Conservative) asked Sean Fraser (Liberal). rhetorical question.Answer describes upcoming government legislation without addressing adoption of the opposition leader's specific law.
We will be introducing legislation that would strengthen Canada's bail system, making it harder for repeat violent offenders and for those who commit serious crimes with organized criminal organizations, including auto theft and home invasion.
- misdirectedJusticePierre Paul-Hus (Conservative) asked Sean Fraser (Liberal). loaded question.Answer corrects the questioner's reading of Bill C-5 and pivots to attacking partisan rhetoric rather than addressing the choice between Lametti and Conservative proposals.
this is the second time this week I have received a question about a piece of legislation that the questioner has seemingly not read.
- deflectedHousingMelissa Lantsman (Conservative) asked Gregor Robertson (Liberal). loaded question.Answer disputes the numbers and invites reworking of talking points without addressing whether the bureaucracy constitutes the housing strategy.
This is not the first time the Conservatives have gotten the numbers wrong, so I would like to invite them to take a moment and rework their talking points.
- deflectedHousingMelissa Lantsman (Conservative) asked Gregor Robertson (Liberal). loaded question.Answer shifts focus to criticizing Conservatives for past inaction instead of defending the minister's record or the new bureaucracy.
They are talking about mayors, they are talking about councillors and they are talking about public servants, rather than looking at themselves.
- deflectedHousingTamara Kronis (Conservative) asked Gregor Robertson (Liberal). loaded question.Answer emphasizes future building plans and past Conservative failures without addressing the admission about doubling gatekeepers and deficits.
we are focused on building affordable housing at a scale never seen before, certainly not by Conservative governments, which vacated the field on affordable housing for their decade in power.
- partly answeredHousingGabriel Hardy (Conservative) asked Joël Lightbound (Liberal). substantive question.Answer defends the new investment and notes scale of building but does not directly address the bureaucracy versus homes criticism or the Quebec-specific economic loss.
An initial investment of $13 billion will create the leverage to build thousands of affordable homes across the country.
- partly answeredImmigration, Refugees and CitizenshipMichelle Rempel Garner (Conservative) asked Lena Metlege Diab (Liberal). substantive question.The answer cites reductions in immigration targets but does not address housing completions or the pace mismatch.
Our objective is clear: to make our system viable and attract the best talent.
- deflectedImmigration, Refugees and CitizenshipMichelle Rempel Garner (Conservative) asked Lena Metlege Diab (Liberal). loaded question.The answer repeats prior claims and adds a jab about understanding rather than engaging the PBO report or housing gap.
let me repeat it in English so she and other members of her party understand
- answeredImmigration, Refugees and CitizenshipRhonda Kirkland (Conservative) asked Lena Metlege Diab (Liberal). substantive question.The answer supplies specific student admission reductions and states intent to protect students from abuse.
Almost 90,000 fewer students arrived between January and June 2025, compared to the same period in 2024
- partly answeredForestry IndustryGaétan Malette (Conservative) asked Tim Hodgson (Liberal). substantive question.The answer references allocated funds but offers no timeline or specific commitment for Kap Paper workers.
We allocated $1.2 billion in three different programs to the softwood lumber industry.
- answeredForeign AffairsAlexandre Boulerice (NDP) asked Anita Anand (Liberal). substantive question.The answer lists concrete actions including sanctions, aid, and upcoming recognition of Palestine.
We have sanctioned extremist settlers, including ministers.
- misdirectedForeign AffairsMartin Champoux (Bloc) asked Steven MacKinnon (Liberal). substantive question.The answer dismisses the withdrawal request by attacking the member's comprehension instead of addressing the remarks.
She cited numbers that the member opposite did not understand, so she repeated them.
- misdirectedForeign AffairsJoël Godin (Conservative) asked Mark Carney (Liberal). substantive question.The answer ignores the language dispute entirely and pivots to an unrelated tribute.
I rise today to honour a national hero and a personal idol.
- answeredHon. Ken DrydenElizabeth May (Green) asked The Speaker (Liberal). substantive question.The Speaker directly acknowledges the tributes and summarizes Dryden's contributions.
He was a man for all seasons, who contributed to this country and its identity in so many profound ways.
- answeredHon. John McCallumElizabeth May (Green) asked The Speaker (Liberal). rhetorical question.The statement is a tribute with no question posed, and the response continues the tribute in kind.
Hon. colleagues, it is now my turn to pay tribute to our colleague, the Hon. John McCallum, a professor, an economist, a banker, a parliamentarian and a friend.
- answeredHon. Gail SheaPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Robert Morrissey (Liberal). rhetorical question.The statement is a tribute with no question posed, and the response continues the tribute in kind.
Mr. Speaker, I rise in the House today to pay tribute, on behalf of the government caucus, to a former member of Parliament who sadly left us a few weeks ago, the Hon. Gail Shea.
- answeredHon. Gail SheaElizabeth May (Green) asked The Speaker (Liberal). rhetorical question.The statement is a tribute with no question posed, and the response continues the tribute in kind.
Hon. colleagues, I would also like to take a moment to say a few words about our friend, the Hon. Gail Shea.