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Friday, October 20, 2023 · sitting No. 236
House debates Indian Act reforms as Conservatives assail carbon tax and spending
The House spent the largest share of its time on government orders debating reforms to the Indian Act. Parliamentary secretary Jenica Atwin opened the discussion on behalf of the minister of Indigenous services and stressed the need for extensive consultation. Charlie Angus of the NDP, Gary Vidal of the Conservatives and Martin Champoux of the Bloc Québécois also spoke, with members noting slow progress on related legislation and the colonial foundations of the act.
Question period featured repeated Conservative attacks on Liberal fiscal policy. Pierre Poilievre and Luc Berthold pressed the government on the carbon tax, housing costs and an $8-million barn renovation at Rideau Hall. Liberal members Ryan Turnbull, Rachel Bendayan and Kevin Lamoureux defended the national housing strategy and child benefit while accusing the opposition of blocking affordability measures.
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Foreign Affairs
Christine Normandin of the Bloc Québécois asked whether the prime minister had pressed Egypt and Israel in the past 24 hours to speed humanitarian trucks into Gaza. Anita Vandenbeld replied that Canada was the first western country to pledge aid and was using every diplomatic channel for corridors.
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James Bezan of the Conservatives said leaked reports showed members were releasing rather than relocating because of costs and that the forces were short 16,000 personnel. Marie-France Lalonde listed new supports including legal-fee reimbursements and a post-living differential allowance.
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Michael Barrett of the Conservatives asked how many Liberal insiders had benefited from the green slush fund now under review. Ryan Turnbull said the minister had commissioned an independent review whose action plan would be implemented by December.
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Jenny Kwan of the NDP cited the auditor general’s report on chronic underfunding in sub-Saharan Africa offices and three-year waits for refugees. Kevin Lamoureux said processing times had improved in several streams and further gains were being made.
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Martin Champoux of the Bloc Québécois faulted Amira Elghawaby for failing to condemn the Hamas attacks after ten days of silence. Sameer Zuberi said her mandate was strictly domestic and she was working with the new anti-Semitism envoy.
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- deflectedFinancial InstitutionsPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Mr. Ryan Turnbull (Liberal). substantive question.The answer ignores the bank merger question entirely and pivots to criticizing opposition support for a different bill.
Can someone from the opposition benches please explain to us all how voting against measures that are going to substantially help middle-class families is common sense?
- misdirectedFinancePierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Mr. Peter Fragiskatos (Liberal). loaded question.The answer sidesteps the barn spending query and instead attacks the questioner's past record on housing.
I remind him that, when he was responsible for housing during the Harper years, there was $300 million spent for housing, with fewer than 100 homes built.
- deflectedFinanceMr. Luc Berthold (Conservative) asked Ms. Rachel Bendayan (Liberal). substantive question.The answer avoids addressing the $8 million barn expenditure and instead highlights past deficits and current fiscal comparisons.
When the Conservatives were in power, seven consecutive budgets produced deficits.
- deflectedHousingMr. Luc Berthold (Conservative) asked Ms. Rachel Bendayan (Liberal). substantive question.The answer does not engage with the housing affordability critique and instead faults the opposition for not supporting a housing bill.
The Conservatives are unwilling to invest in building more housing to lower costs for Canadians.
- misdirectedCarbon PricingMr. Luc Berthold (Conservative) asked Mr. Kevin Lamoureux (Liberal). substantive question.The answer ignores the carbon tax and food bank question and instead accuses the opposition of playing games with legislation.
- partly answeredForeign AffairsMs. Christine Normandin (Bloc) asked Ms. Anita Vandenbeld (Liberal). substantive question.The answer acknowledges the aid decision and stresses further needs but does not confirm any specific Canadian diplomatic pressure in the past 24 hours.
we commend the decision made by Israel and Egypt to allow humanitarian aid into Gaza through the Rafah crossing.
- answeredForeign AffairsMs. Christine Normandin (Bloc) asked Ms. Anita Vandenbeld (Liberal). substantive question.The answer directly outlines Canada's immediate diplomatic and aid actions to address the humanitarian crisis.
Our immediate objective is to open humanitarian corridors to provide safety and refuge to those fleeing the war and to allow aid to enter.
- partly answeredImmigration, Refugees and CitizenshipMs. Jenny Kwan (NDP) asked Mr. Kevin Lamoureux (Liberal). substantive question.The answer recognizes the backlog concern and notes general improvements but offers no specific plan for refugee processing delays in sub-Saharan Africa.
There are areas that we do need to improve upon, and I can assure the member that we are, in fact, making progress in all different areas as much as possible
- deflectedHousingMs. Lisa Marie Barron (NDP) asked Mr. Peter Fragiskatos (Liberal). loaded question.The answer defends the national housing strategy with statistics but does not address the claim of a failed plan.
There is more to do, but 70,000 people who were on the street are no longer on the street, and 122,000 people who were close to homeless are not in that position anymore because of the national housing strategy.
- deflectedHousingMr. Scott Aitchison (Conservative) asked Mr. Peter Fragiskatos (Liberal). loaded question.The answer pivots to supply issues and attacks the opposition's tax position instead of addressing the France comparison.
That side wants to maintain the tax for the purposes of building rental homes for the middle class.
- deflectedHousingMr. Scott Aitchison (Conservative) asked Mr. Peter Fragiskatos (Liberal). loaded question.The answer reiterates the supply argument and cites Brampton without addressing deficits or the France comparison.
What this government is doing is working with municipalities to see more homes built.
- partly answeredHousingMr. Eric Melillo (Conservative) asked Mr. Peter Fragiskatos (Liberal). loaded question.The answer addresses youth housing via the tax-free savings account but ignores the question on deficits and spending.
I will give him credit: During his time being a member of Parliament, he has put issues on the table with respect to youth.
- misdirectedHousingMr. Eric Melillo (Conservative) asked Ms. Rachel Bendayan (Liberal). loaded question.The answer attacks Conservative deficits and delays instead of addressing current spending or youth homeownership.
when the Conservatives were in power, they ran seven consecutive deficits.
- misdirectedThe EconomyMrs. Tracy Gray (Conservative) asked Ms. Rachel Bendayan (Liberal). loaded question.The answer accuses Conservatives of gutting pensions and cutting benefits without addressing retirement savings concerns.
Under what the Conservatives are proposing, they would gut the Canada pension plan.
- misdirectedThe EconomyMrs. Tracy Gray (Conservative) asked Ms. Rachel Bendayan (Liberal). loaded question.The answer challenges the opposition on program cuts rather than responding to debt and cost-of-living statistics.
The Conservatives have consistently said that they do not want to support Canadians with the programs we have in place.
- answeredDiversity and InclusionMr. Martin Champoux (Bloc) asked Mr. Sameer Zuberi (Liberal). substantive question.The answer directly explains the envoy's national mandate and coordination with the anti-Semitism envoy.
She is working with our newly appointed special envoy on combatting anti-Semitism to combat discrimination against Muslims here in Canada.
- deflectedDiversity and InclusionMr. Martin Champoux (Bloc) asked Dominic LeBlanc (Liberal). loaded question.Answer addresses safety concerns raised at start but ignores the core question about Elghawaby.
at the beginning of his question, my hon. colleague pointed out the importance of protecting Canadians who are understandably worried about their safety and the safety of their community and meeting places.
- deflectedFinanceMike Lake (Conservative) asked Mr. Peter Fragiskatos (Liberal). substantive question.Answer discusses past deficits and pandemic support but provides no figure on interest spending.
During the Stephen Harper years, they ran seven consecutive deficits.
- deflectedFinanceMike Lake (Conservative) asked Mr. Peter Fragiskatos (Liberal). substantive question.Answer again avoids the debt interest figure and pivots to GST policy and Conservative proposals.
they inherited a surplus. They turned it into a deficit, another deficit and another deficit.
- deflectedNational DefenceMr. James Bezan (Conservative) asked Mrs. Marie-France Lalonde (Liberal). loaded question.Answer mentions housing funding but does not address the claim of destroying the military or troop shortages.
just last year, in our fiscal update, we put $55 million of support toward residential housing for CAF members.
- misdirectedNational DefenceMr. James Bezan (Conservative) asked Mrs. Marie-France Lalonde (Liberal). loaded question.Answer lists supports then attacks the opposition instead of addressing the housing and budget cut concerns.
We will not take any lessons from that side of the House.
- deflectedForeign AffairsMs. Heather McPherson (NDP) asked Ms. Anita Vandenbeld (Liberal). substantive question.Answer emphasizes humanitarian aid and law compliance but sidesteps the specific question on supporting ICC investigations.
right now, the alleviation of human suffering is our number one priority.
- deflectedForeign AffairsMs. Lindsay Mathyssen (NDP) asked Ms. Anita Vandenbeld (Liberal). substantive question.Answer highlights aid spending but does not address the call for a ceasefire.
Our initial commitment of $10 million in humanitarian assistance to trusted partners in Gaza will provide food, water, emergency medical assistance and protection services.
- deflectedHousingMr. Gerald Soroka (Conservative) asked Mr. Peter Fragiskatos (Liberal). rhetorical question.Answer promotes a government bill on GST but does not engage with the rhetorical challenge on housing solutions.
there is a bill on this floor that the Conservatives can get behind.
- deflectedCarbon PricingMr. Arpan Khanna (Conservative) asked Mr. Ryan Turnbull (Liberal). loaded question.The answer avoids addressing the request to axe the carbon tax by shifting to climate change comparisons and Conservative criticism.
Conservatives consistently use the carbon price as a scapegoat for global inflation in this House.
- misdirectedCarbon PricingMrs. Dominique Vien (Conservative) asked Jean-Yves Duclos (Liberal). loaded question.The answer ignores the carbon tax question entirely and instead attacks the Conservatives on an unrelated past vote.
She is a brand new MP, so she may not know that her Conservative Party colleagues voted against the Canada child benefit in 2016, before her time.
- misdirectedCarbon PricingMr. Richard Martel (Conservative) asked Ms. Rachel Bendayan (Liberal). loaded question.The answer pivots to attacking Conservative policies instead of addressing the carbon tax or Quebec affordability concerns.
when I talk to Quebeckers, they tell me that voting Conservative is far too costly.
- partly answeredInternational DevelopmentMr. Simon-Pierre Savard-Tremblay (Bloc) asked Ms. Anita Vandenbeld (Liberal). substantive question.The answer addresses human rights commitments but does not directly respond to suspending EDC funding for mining in Colombia.
This is why we created the CORE to maintain social responsibility of businesses around the world.
- partly answeredInternational DevelopmentMr. Simon-Pierre Savard-Tremblay (Bloc) asked Ms. Anita Vandenbeld (Liberal). substantive question.The answer discusses existing mechanisms and reviews but avoids committing to immediate restrictions on EDC investments.
we have very strong export control mechanisms.
- deflectedInnovation, Science and IndustryMr. Michael Barrett (Conservative) asked Mr. Ryan Turnbull (Liberal). loaded question.The answer sidesteps the question about Liberal insiders benefiting by focusing on the review process instead.
When the minister became aware of the allegations of mismanagement at SDTC, he immediately acted and commissioned a review.
- deflectedInnovation, Science and IndustryMr. Michael Barrett (Conservative) asked Mr. Ryan Turnbull (Liberal). loaded question.The answer repeats the review action plan without addressing whistle-blower protections or conflicts of interest.
That review produced an action plan that, now, SDTC will implement by December.
- deflectedInnovation, Science and IndustryMr. Michael Barrett (Conservative) asked Mr. Ryan Turnbull (Liberal). loaded question.The answer dismisses the premise as false and reiterates the review without engaging the RCMP documents or rule of law claims.
it is no surprise that what the member falsely claims is something that we take issue with.
- deflectedOil and Gas IndustryMr. Greg McLean (Conservative) asked Mr. Chris Bittle (Liberal). loaded question.The answer attacks the prior government and questions Conservative credibility instead of addressing the Supreme Court ruling or constitutional limits.
The Conservatives have zero credibility on the environment. They are just not worth the risk.
- deflectedOil and Gas IndustryMr. Greg McLean (Conservative) asked Mr. Marc Serré (Liberal). loaded question.The answer repeats attacks on Conservatives and their leader rather than confirming acceptance of the ruling or respecting provincial jurisdiction.
The Conservative Party's plan to eliminate environmental protections and disregard indigenous rights is reckless and unacceptable.
- misdirectedOil and Gas IndustryMr. Michael Kram (Conservative) asked Mr. Marc Serré (Liberal). substantive question.The answer accuses the questioner of conspiracy theories and references an unrelated bill instead of addressing the business case for Canadian LNG exports.
it is really shameful that the Conservative Party would use this humanitarian situation to peddle conspiracy theories.
- partly answeredFisheries and OceansMr. Gord Johns (NDP) asked Mr. Mike Kelloway (Liberal). substantive question.The answer acknowledges the incident and states monitoring actions but does not address stopping the permit or developing new ship-breaking regulations.
The Coast Guard is working with the Government of B.C. and is ready to assist with the situation as required.
- deflectedImmigration, Refugees and CitizenshipMr. Kevin Vuong (Independent) asked Mr. Paul Chiang (Liberal). loaded question.The answer highlights Canada's refugee resettlement record without confirming financial support for Toronto or addressing the UN convention obligations.
In addition, between January and July of 2023, Canada has resettled 27,400 refugees, which is over half of our 2023 target of 51,300.
- answeredPoints of OrderMr. Tom Kmiec (Conservative) asked Mr. Mark Gerretsen (Liberal). substantive question.The answer directly responds to the point of order by noting uncertainty about intent and questioning the call for an apology.
I think that from the explanation the member just gave, he is uncertain as to what the intent was.