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Thursday, October 5, 2023 · sitting No. 230
Commons debates housing and groceries bill amid cost-of-living clashes
The House spent the largest share of its sitting on second reading of Bill C-56, the affordable housing and groceries act. Bloc Québécois MP Sébastien Lemire said the bill targets oligopolies in food and other sectors but requires greater courage to address profiteering. Liberal MP Kevin Lamoureux said the legislation would increase competition and that the government had already met the major grocers.
In Question Period, Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre pressed the government on turkey prices that have risen 67 per cent since 2015 and asked whether the carbon tax would be reversed before Thanksgiving. Innovation Minister François-Philippe Champagne said the government had presented a five-point plan that includes a code of conduct and an office to address skimpflation.
New Democrat Leader Jagmeet Singh asked why the government had not acted against for-profit health-care expansion by Shoppers Drug Mart. Health Minister Mark Holland said the government had reduced drug costs through bulk purchasing and would continue to defend public health care.
Decided that day
- 2nd reading of Bill S-12 passed
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Official Languages
Bloc Québécois MP Alain Therrien said Immigration Minister Marc Miller had refused to acknowledge that French is declining in Quebec. Rodriguez replied that 94 per cent of Quebecers can speak French and that Bill 101 is working.
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Bloc Québécois MP Denis Trudel said Ottawa must release the $900-million housing transfer immediately so Quebec can include matching funds in its November economic update. Intergovernmental Affairs Minister Pablo Rodriguez said negotiations are progressing and Quebec will receive the money.
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Conservative MP Jacques Gourde said the Bloc Québécois had supported carbon tax 2.0 twice and that voting for the party is costly. Liberal MP Adam van Koeverden said there is no federal carbon tax in Quebec because the province leads on climate action.
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New Democrat MP Matthew Green demanded release of the secret Deschênes report on Nazi war criminals admitted to Canada. Justice Minister Arif Virani said senior officials are reviewing the report and will make recommendations.
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Conservative MP Melissa Lantsman said Liberal MP Ken Hardie had compared Conservative questions to a leading Nazi on social media. Hardie apologized to the House for the post.
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- deflectedThe EconomyPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked François-Philippe Champagne (Liberal). loaded question.The answer mocks the asker and pivots to a bill instead of addressing the cost reversal timeline.
Canadians know not to take advice from the Leader of the Opposition when it comes to the economy.
- deflectedThe EconomyPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked François-Philippe Champagne (Liberal). loaded question.The answer lists government plans without addressing the yes-or-no question on reversing costs before Thanksgiving.
What we have presented is a five-point plan.
- deflectedThe EconomyPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked François-Philippe Champagne (Liberal). loaded question.The answer attacks the opposition leader and repeats the turkey joke rather than addressing the promised price reversal.
The last time the Conservative leader advised Canadians, it was about buying crypto.
- deflectedThe EconomyPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked François-Philippe Champagne (Liberal). loaded question.The answer begins a personal remark about Canadians having no fun and cuts off without addressing the turkey price question.
the Leader of the Opposition can have as much as he wants, but one thing I can say is that Canadians have no fun these days because they know—
- deflectedThe EconomyPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked François-Philippe Champagne (Liberal). loaded question.The answer pivots to urging support for a bill instead of addressing why costs have risen or reversing them.
If the Leader of the Opposition wants to give a gift to Canadians for Thanksgiving, why does he not support Bill C-56
- misdirectedOfficial LanguagesMr. Alain Therrien (Bloc) asked Pablo Rodriguez (Liberal). loaded question.The answer disputes the premise on French decline and attacks the Bloc rather than addressing the immigration minister's stance.
The Bloc Québécois can shout and get angry all it wants, but the fact is that more people are speaking French.
- misdirectedOfficial LanguagesMr. Alain Therrien (Bloc) asked Marc Miller (Liberal). loaded question.The answer attacks the member personally and shifts to defending Quebecker identity instead of addressing reception capacity in immigration reform.
He should be ashamed of himself.
- deflectedThe EconomyMr. Jagmeet Singh (NDP) asked Anita Anand (Liberal). loaded question.The answer lists past programs without admitting or addressing whether the plan is to save the government politically.
We have been putting in place programs to support Canadians with bill after bill and law after law.
- deflectedHealthMr. Jagmeet Singh (NDP) asked Mark Holland (Liberal). loaded question.The answer discusses drug cost reductions and pharmacare but ignores the question on health care privatization by Shoppers Drug Mart.
We need to and must do much more.
- misdirectedThe EconomyMs. Leslyn Lewis (Conservative) asked Ms. Rachel Bendayan (Liberal). loaded question.The answer attacks Conservative delays on legislation instead of addressing the carbon tax and food price question.
if the Conservative member wants to see grocery prices lowered, I hope that she asks her leader why it is that the Conservatives continue to delay the legislation that is before the House.
- misdirectedThe EconomyMs. Leslyn Lewis (Conservative) asked Ms. Rachel Bendayan (Liberal). loaded question.The answer criticizes Conservative voting tactics rather than addressing the request to reverse food price hikes by Thanksgiving.
there are important measures that can be immediately implemented to help Canadians, but the problem is that, we hear from Conservatives very sincere concerns in question period, but when it comes time to vote and debate legislation, we see procedural delay tactics and Conservatives voting against the interests of Canadians.
- misdirectedThe EconomyMr. Kyle Seeback (Conservative) asked Ms. Rachel Bendayan (Liberal). loaded question.The answer shifts to criticizing Conservative procedural tactics instead of responding to the food affordability and carbon tax question.
I do not understand how the Conservatives can claim to be sincere in their concern for Canadians while using procedural tactics to prevent us from helping Canadians.
- misdirectedThe EconomyMr. Kyle Seeback (Conservative) asked Ms. Rachel Bendayan (Liberal). loaded question.The answer questions Conservative positions on legislation rather than addressing the food price and carbon tax promise.
perhaps the Conservatives can explain in debate what it is about cutting GST on the construction of new homes that they disagree with.
- deflectedThe EconomyMr. Luc Berthold (Conservative) asked Pascale St-Onge (Liberal). loaded question.The answer pivots to climate change impacts on harvests instead of addressing the carbon tax reversal for Thanksgiving costs.
Something they never talk about is the fact that climate change is also increasing the cost of groceries.
- misdirectedThe EconomyMr. Luc Berthold (Conservative) asked Pascale St-Onge (Liberal). loaded question.The answer attacks the Bloc and urges support for Bill C-56 rather than addressing the carbon tax and price promise question.
The Conservatives are still voting against these measures.
- partly answeredHousingMr. Denis Trudel (Bloc) asked Pablo Rodriguez (Liberal). substantive question.The answer confirms Quebec will receive the funds and negotiations are progressing but dismisses the urgency with insults.
Negotiations are progressing. Quebec will get $900 million.
- partly answeredHousingMr. Denis Trudel (Bloc) asked Sean Fraser (Liberal). substantive question.The answer acknowledges ongoing talks but sidesteps the demand to release funds without conditions.
I am in discussion with Minister Duranceau.
- deflectedHousingMr. Denis Trudel (Bloc) asked Soraya Martinez Ferrada (Liberal). substantive question.The answer pivots to attacking the Bloc and Conservatives instead of addressing the funding timeline.
The thing that is bothering the Bloc is that it is not at the negotiating table and never will be.
- misdirectedThe EconomyMr. Dan Albas (Conservative) asked Mark Holland (Liberal). loaded question.The answer attacks the Conservatives' past record and climate policy rather than addressing grocery prices.
The Conservatives' solution is to stop taking action on climate change, which is the very thing driving that problem.
- misdirectedThe EconomyMrs. Karen Vecchio (Conservative) asked Ms. Rachel Bendayan (Liberal). substantive question.The answer shifts to criticizing Conservative pension policy instead of responding on food prices.
Will the Conservative leader stand up in the House and tell his colleagues to keep their hands off Canadians' pensions?
- partly answeredCarbon PricingMr. Jacques Gourde (Conservative) asked Mr. Adam van Koeverden (Liberal). loaded question.The answer clarifies no federal carbon tax applies in Quebec but does not address the Bloc's alleged support for a second tax.
first of all, there is no federal carbon tax in Quebec because the Province of Quebec is a leader in the fight against climate change.
- answeredHousingMr. Alexandre Boulerice (NDP) asked Sean Fraser (Liberal). substantive question.The answer directly affirms agreement on using federal land and continuing national housing strategy investments.
I agree that we should be using federally owned land to achieve that outcome.
- partly answeredJusticeMr. Matthew Green (NDP) asked Arif Virani (Liberal). substantive question.The answer notes officials are reviewing the report and will make recommendations but gives no commitment on release.
Senior officials and civil servants are looking carefully at the Deschênes commission report and will be making recommendations soon on the options that are available.
- deflectedThe EconomyMr. Rick Perkins (Conservative) asked Ms. Rachel Bendayan (Liberal). substantive question.The answer pivots to accusing Conservatives of delay tactics instead of addressing food price measures.
Consistently, what we have seen from the Conservatives are delay tactics.
- deflectedThe EconomyMr. Rick Perkins (Conservative) asked Sean Fraser (Liberal). loaded question.The answer attacks the Conservatives' voting record instead of addressing whether food prices will be lowered.
I find it curious that my hon. colleague is standing up only now to defend the interests of low-income families that might need the services that food banks provide, when his party, over the course of my time in the chamber, has consistently voted against the measures that would make life more affordable for them.
- deflectedCarbon PricingMr. Clifford Small (Conservative) asked Mr. Adam van Koeverden (Liberal). loaded question.The answer discusses climate change and farming practices but does not address the carbon tax or food bank usage.
the agri-food sector has endured more extreme weather events, particularly in the province of the member, such as increasingly severe and frequent storms, soil erosion, erratic and unpredicted rainfall, and higher-than-ever temperatures, including here in Ottawa in the last three days.
- misdirectedCarbon PricingMr. Clifford Small (Conservative) asked Mr. Adam van Koeverden (Liberal). loaded question.The answer attacks the Conservative leader and party instead of responding to the question about axing the tax.
The present Conservative leader, the member for Carleton , does not believe in climate change.
- partly answeredClimate ChangeMs. Kristina Michaud (Bloc) asked Mr. Adam van Koeverden (Liberal). substantive question.The answer addresses the oil production increase by noting the emissions cap but does not fully explain the apparent contradiction with climate goals.
That is why our government put a cap on greenhouse gas emissions from the oil and gas sector.
- misdirectedClimate ChangeMs. Monique Pauzé (Bloc) asked Ms. Julie Dabrusin (Liberal). loaded question.The answer turns to attacking the Bloc leader's past record instead of addressing the legacy question on oil production.
If the Bloc Québécois is so interested in the oil issue, I would like to know why the leader of the Bloc Québécois, when he was Quebec's environment minister, said without hesitation that the Government of Quebec planned to go ahead with the development of the oil industry in Quebec.
- answeredInnovation, Science and IndustryMr. Gérard Deltell (Conservative) asked François-Philippe Champagne (Liberal). substantive question.The answer directly explains the government's response to the allegations of mismanagement.
As soon as the allegations were made, we commissioned an independent expert report.
- answeredInnovation, Science and IndustryMr. Gérard Deltell (Conservative) asked François-Philippe Champagne (Liberal). substantive question.The answer addresses the question about confidence in current management by explaining the focus on governance reforms.
We are going to ensure that taxpayers' money is managed properly.
- misdirectedCanadian HeritageMrs. Rachael Thomas (Conservative) asked Pascale St-Onge (Liberal). loaded question.The answer attacks the Conservatives with an expert quote instead of addressing the podcast registry or censorship concerns.
Professor Pierre Trudel calls the Conservative argument "a complete disconnect with reality".
- deflectedPublic Services and ProcurementMrs. Kelly Block (Conservative) asked Arif Virani (Liberal). loaded question.The answer refuses to address the allegations by citing the ongoing investigation.
To protect the integrity of the investigation, we will not be providing any further comment at this time.
- misdirectedSmall BusinessMr. Brad Vis (Conservative) asked Rechie Valdez (Liberal). loaded question.The answer attacks the Conservative member's voting record instead of addressing business insolvency statistics.
Common sense does not mean voting against supports for small businesses.
- misdirectedSmall BusinessMr. Brad Vis (Conservative) asked Rechie Valdez (Liberal). loaded question.The answer defends past supports while attacking the opposition leader rather than addressing current policy failures.
the Leader of the Opposition called the supports we provided small businesses "big fat government" supports.
- partly answeredHealthMs. Heather McPherson (NDP) asked Mark Holland (Liberal). loaded question.The answer addresses standing up for public health care via investments but ignores provincial failures and staff shortages.
We made an investment of $200 billion in our health system, and we are making sure not only that this money flows but that there are indicators so Canadians can see how health outcomes are improving for them in every corner of this country.
- deflectedForeign AffairsMr. Kevin Vuong (Independent) asked Mélanie Joly (Liberal). loaded question.The answer avoids specifics on new evidence or India diversion by restating general commitments.
That is why the Minister of Public Safety and I have been working on this over the past months.
- answeredPoints of OrderMs. Melissa Lantsman (Conservative) asked Mr. Ken Hardie (Liberal). substantive question.The answer directly apologizes for the social media post as requested.
Mr. Speaker, I did go elbows up on Twitter and I apologize for that.
- misdirectedPoints of OrderMr. Matthew Green (NDP) asked The Speaker (Liberal). substantive question.The Speaker's response ignores the point of order and shifts to an unrelated retirement announcement.
Today, after over 30 years of service to the House of Commons, we have the retirement of one of our table officers, Michel Patrice.