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Thursday, March 23, 2023 · sitting No. 172

Commons advances cybersecurity bill amid foreign interference questions

The House spent the largest share of its sitting on second reading of Bill C-26, an act to amend the Telecommunications Act to protect critical cyber systems. Liberal MP Chandra Arya said the bill aligns Canada with Five Eyes partners and addresses state-sponsored threats. New Democrat MP Gord Johns questioned the breadth of ministerial powers under the legislation.

Question period focused on allegations that a Liberal MP advised Chinese officials in 2021 to delay the release of Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor. Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre asked three times when the Prime Minister first learned of the claims reported by Global News. Foreign Affairs Minister Mélanie Joly said the return of the two men remained the government's top priority and rejected suggestions of partisan delay.

Decided that day

  • 10th report of the Standing Committee on Finance passed
  • amendment to the report failed
  • 25th report of the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs passed
  • Bill C-45 introduced

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Who held the floor · 2023-03-23

Government (Liberal)OppositionOver the day: government 39%, opposition 61% of the words spokenRoutine proceedingsQuestion PeriodGovernment business▲ Government side held the floor▼ Opposition held the floorOpened 10:0011:0012:0013:0014:0015:0016:0017:0018:00Last speech 19:10Time of day, Ottawa · the House sat 9 h 10 min · each dot is a stretch of debate, placed at the minute it began
58Reports Pass, Answers Mostly DeflectedThe House passed two committee reports and introduced Bill C-45 while devoting over half its words to substantive topics. Question Period produced only one clear answer amid many deflections and limited other decisions.AI-rated Score out of 100; the verdict and the answer ratings behind it are a model’s reading. How the AI rates this

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Other moments

Committees of the House

Conservative MP Philip Lawrence moved concurrence in the tenth report of the finance committee on pre-budget consultations and warned that the escalator tax on alcohol would harm workers in the sector.

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Committees of the House

Liberal MP Mark Gerretsen told Conservative MP Philip Lawrence that voters had rejected the party's pledge to scrap the carbon tax in two elections; Lawrence replied that the government had failed to meet any climate targets.

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Forestry Industry

New Democrat MP Richard Cannings asked whether the softwood lumber dispute would be raised with President Biden; International Trade Minister Mary Ng said Canada remained ready for negotiations but wanted a good deal.

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Health

Health Minister Jean-Yves Duclos announced a three-year, $1.5-billion national strategy for drugs for rare diseases, including sickle cell anemia, after being questioned by Liberal MP Emmanuel Dubourg.

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Question Period, exchange by exchange

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  1. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Mélanie Joly (Liberal). substantive question.The response emphasizes government efforts without addressing the question about when the Prime Minister was informed.bringing back the two Michaels, Michael Spavor and Michael Kovrig, was the top priority of the government and, I would say, of all members of the House and all Canadians.
  2. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Mélanie Joly (Liberal). substantive question.The response emphasizes government efforts without addressing the question about when the Prime Minister was informed.let me be clear that bringing back the two Michaels, Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor, was the utmost priority of this government, of all members of the House, of all Canadians across the country.
  3. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Mélanie Joly (Liberal). substantive question.The response emphasizes government efforts without addressing the question about when the Prime Minister was informed.September 24, 2021 was a great day for Canada and it was the day when the two Michaels, Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor, came back safely home to Canada.
  4. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Mélanie Joly (Liberal). substantive question.The response emphasizes government efforts without addressing the question about when the Prime Minister was informed.I would like to thank all the members of the House who were involved in making sure we could raise the case of the two Michaels for two years, because we worked with friends and allies, different states around the world, to make sure that we could advocate their case and that, on September 24, 2021, they would be coming back here to Canada.
  5. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Mélanie Joly (Liberal). substantive question.The response emphasizes government efforts without addressing the question about when the Prime Minister was informed.the Prime Minister knew very well what was happening to the two Michaels and made sure that his government would be standing up against China in the context of their arbitrary detention.
  6. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsMr. Alain Therrien (Bloc) asked Dominic LeBlanc (Liberal). substantive question.The response highlights existing measures and an appointment instead of addressing when a public inquiry will be launched.The appointment of the Right Hon. David Johnston builds on those efforts to make them even more robust.
  7. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsMr. Alain Therrien (Bloc) asked Mélanie Joly (Liberal). substantive question.The response emphasizes government efforts without addressing the question about launching a public inquiry.I must reassure the House and, of course, my dear colleague that bringing the two Michaels, Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor, back to Canada was always a priority for this government.
  8. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsMr. Jagmeet Singh (NDP) asked Dominic LeBlanc (Liberal). substantive question.The response discusses general concerns and measures instead of addressing whether MPs will be allowed to vote for an inquiry.we obviously share the leader of the NDP's concern about the importance of not stigmatizing communities in Canada.
  9. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsMr. Jagmeet Singh (NDP) asked Dominic LeBlanc (Liberal). substantive question.The answer discusses existing institutions and Johnston's review instead of addressing the motion vote.we have institutions already in place that are doing important work.
  10. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsMs. Melissa Lantsman (Conservative) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). substantive question.The answer avoids the date question by restating general commitments to security and the Michaels' return.we have ensured that our national security agencies have all of the powers and authorities, but with the corresponding transparency required to reinforce the confidence of Canadians in our institutions
  11. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsMs. Melissa Lantsman (Conservative) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). substantive question.The answer pivots to NSICOP, NSIRA and Johnston without addressing when the Prime Minister learned of the allegations.Mr. Johnston is an eminent Canadian who possesses the qualifications, the experience in the law and the wisdom to help us navigate around the important challenges of foreign interference.
  12. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsMr. Larry Brock (Conservative) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). substantive question.The answer lists transparency mechanisms and Johnston but never gives a date for when the Prime Minister learned of the allegations.since we took the reins of government, we have raised the bar of transparency through the creation of the National Security Intelligence Review Agency
  13. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsMr. Jake Stewart (Conservative) asked Dominic LeBlanc (Liberal). substantive question.The answer accuses the Conservatives of turning the issue into a partisan circus instead of answering the date question.We know the Conservative Party is seeking to turn this issue into a partisan circus.
  14. misdirected
    Democratic InstitutionsMr. Michael Cooper (Conservative) asked Mélanie Joly (Liberal). substantive question.The answer shifts to defending the government's efforts on the Michaels' release rather than addressing when the Prime Minister learned of the allegations.Implying that this was not the case is absolutely false.
  15. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsMichael Chong (Conservative) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). substantive question.The answer again highlights Johnston and existing bodies without answering the date question.He is someone who will lay out the next practical steps, including and up to a public inquiry, so that all Canadians can be confident we are protecting our institutions.
  16. partly answered
    Democratic InstitutionsMr. René Villemure (Bloc) asked Dominic LeBlanc (Liberal). substantive question.The answer directly addresses the question about CSIS warnings to the Prime Minister by confirming ongoing dialogue with premiers including Ford.I myself have spoken with Mr. Ford about the importance of strengthening democratic institutions.
  17. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsMr. René Villemure (Bloc) asked Dominic LeBlanc (Liberal). substantive question.The answer discusses general briefings but does not address whether CSIS informed the Prime Minister about the Vancouver election specifically.as ministers, we get regular briefings on threats of foreign interference.
  18. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsMr. René Villemure (Bloc) asked Dominic LeBlanc (Liberal). loaded question.The answer restates general measures and the Johnston appointment without addressing the call for a public inquiry.The appointment of the Right Hon. David Johnston is a measure that will allow us to further strengthen our democratic institutions.
  19. misdirected
    Democratic InstitutionsMr. Pierre Paul-Hus (Conservative) asked Mélanie Joly (Liberal). substantive question.The answer pivots to the Michaels' release instead of stating when the Prime Minister learned of the allegations.bringing back the two Michaels was the utmost priority of this government.
  20. misdirected
    Democratic InstitutionsMr. Luc Berthold (Conservative) asked Mélanie Joly (Liberal). substantive question.The answer attacks the premise as false and again focuses on the Michaels rather than answering the date question.Any insinuations to the contrary are absolutely false.
  21. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsMr. Luc Berthold (Conservative) asked Dominic LeBlanc (Liberal). loaded question.The answer avoids the date and instead promotes existing mechanisms and the Johnston appointment.we believe Canadians will benefit from a non-partisan discussion based on the facts that are properly framed within institutions that we have established
  22. partly answered
    Forestry IndustryMr. Richard Cannings (NDP) asked Mary Ng (Liberal). substantive question.The answer acknowledges the issue and states readiness to negotiate but does not confirm if softwood lumber is on the agenda or address returning duties.we have always said that we are ready to be at the table to negotiate, but we want a good deal, not just any deal.
  23. answered
    Northern AffairsMs. Lori Idlout (NDP) asked Mr. Bryan May (Liberal). substantive question.The answer directly addresses support for Canadian Rangers by noting the streamlined compensation process.The CAF has recently streamlined the compensation process.
  24. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsMr. Jasraj Singh Hallan (Conservative) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). substantive question.The answer discusses mechanisms and Johnston without stating when the Prime Minister learned of the allegations.We have had two independent panels, made up of non-partisan, professional public servants, verify that the elections were free and fair in 2019 and 2021.
  25. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsMr. Jasraj Singh Hallan (Conservative) asked Dominic LeBlanc (Liberal). loaded question.The answer evades the repeated request for a specific date by accusing the opposition of partisanship instead.These kinds of irresponsible partisan discussions do not advance the interests of ensuring that Canadians have confidence in their democratic institutions.
  26. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsMr. Marty Morantz (Conservative) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). loaded question.The answer sidesteps the date query by counter-attacking Conservative actions rather than addressing the allegation timeline.What do they say about the attacks they made against Mr. Johnston, somebody who was appointed by Stephen Harper?
  27. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsMrs. Dominique Vien (Conservative) asked Mélanie Joly (Liberal). loaded question.The response ignores the date question and pivots to restating government priorities on the two Michaels without engaging the new allegation.Bringing the two Michaels home has been the Liberal government's priority at all times.
  28. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsMr. Stéphane Bergeron (Bloc) asked Dominic LeBlanc (Liberal). substantive question.The answer avoids the core question about CSIS warnings and access by redirecting to the Johnston review process.His work is important. He will table a report before the end of May that will show us the direction to take, and we look forward to his report.
  29. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsMr. Stéphane Bergeron (Bloc) asked Dominic LeBlanc (Liberal). loaded question.The reply evades the accusation of inaction by emphasizing existing non-partisan bodies without addressing the specific timeline or inquiry demand.It is one of the many forums that allow for informed and non-partisan discussion based on the facts.
  30. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsMs. Michelle Ferreri (Conservative) asked Mark Holland (Liberal). loaded question.The answer refuses the date by shifting blame to the prior government and warning against partisan games on national security.They seek to undermine democracy by engaging in partisan games on things like national security.
  31. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsMrs. Tracy Gray (Conservative) asked Mark Holland (Liberal). loaded question.The response avoids naming any date and instead promotes NSICOP and Mr. Johnston while cautioning against treating allegations as fact.We have to be careful about throwing around allegations as though they are fact.
  32. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsMr. Bernard Généreux (Conservative) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). loaded question.The answer sidesteps the date by listing government mechanisms created and deferring to Mr. Johnston's recommendations.The government will abide by Mr. Johnston's recommendations.
  33. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsMr. Kyle Seeback (Conservative) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). substantive question.The answer refers to the mandate of Mr. Johnston instead of providing the briefing date.the answer to that question lies in the mandate provided to Mr. Johnston, who will look into all allegations related to the 2019 and 2021 elections.
  34. misdirected
    Democratic InstitutionsMr. Kyle Seeback (Conservative) asked Mark Holland (Liberal). loaded question.The answer attacks the questioner for partisan theatre rather than addressing the briefing timeline.this is why we do not play with national security using partisan theatre.
  35. deflected
    Democratic InstitutionsMr. Gérard Deltell (Conservative) asked Marco Mendicino (Liberal). substantive question.The answer highlights independent processes instead of stating when the Prime Minister was informed.the government has created not one, not two, but three independent, non-partisan processes with the goal of increasing and strengthening transparency in every instance where we have had to counter foreign interference.
  36. partly answered
    Indigenous AffairsMr. Blake Desjarlais (NDP) asked Marc Miller (Liberal). substantive question.The answer acknowledges the issue and explains the need for provincial involvement but does not commit to a timeline for federal action.Unfortunately, the Government of Saskatchewan has not acted up to this date, and it needs to be at the table with us.
  37. deflected
    TaxationMr. Alain Rayes (Independent) asked Diane Lebouthillier (Liberal). substantive question.The answer shifts to tax evasion investments instead of addressing the specific tax law complaint or prior unanswered questions.tax evasion has always been a priority for our government.