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Friday, October 21, 2022 · sitting No. 115

House debates Judges Act amendments as Poilievre presses RCMP interference claims

Government orders on Bill C-9 to amend the Judges Act occupied the largest share of sitting time. Conservative MP Tom Kmiec said the bill shores up federal courts and would have passed earlier without the 2021 election. Liberal MP Kevin Lamoureux said the Canadian Judicial Council expressed disappointment at the pace of the legislation.

Question period featured repeated exchanges on the RCMP and the Nova Scotia mass shooting. Conservative leader Pierre Poilievre cited a recording of Commissioner Brenda Lucki saying she received a request from the minister's office and was waiting for a call from the Prime Minister. Liberal MP Yasir Naqvi said the government did not interfere in police operations and quoted the commissioner testifying that she maintained operational independence.

Poilievre also raised the ArriveCAN contract. He said documents showed ThinkOn Inc. received $1.2 million yet the CEO stated the company received no money and does not work in that field. Minister Mark Holland said the Canada Border Services Agency is reviewing the contract and that the government adheres to the highest standards.

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Who held the floor · 2022-10-21

Government (Liberal)OppositionOver the day: government 35%, opposition 65% of the words spokenGovernment businessQuestion PeriodRoutine proceedingsGovernment business▲ Government side held the floor▼ Opposition held the floorOpened 10:0011:0012:0013:00Last speech 13:45Time of day, Ottawa · the House sat 3 h 45 min · each dot is a stretch of debate, placed at the minute it began
29Another sitting that went nowhereThe House spent nearly all its time debating judges, public safety and other topics yet recorded no votes and advanced no bills. Six points of order and mostly deflected answers in Question Period left little to show for the sitting.AI-rated Score out of 100; the verdict and the answer ratings behind it are a model’s reading. How the AI rates this

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Other moments

Health

New Democrat MP Peter Julian said the emergency room at Sainte-Justine hospital is in chaos and called on the government to provide needed health care funding. Health Minister Jean-Yves Duclos said health care workers are exhausted and that the government has invested significant amounts while working with provinces.

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Taxation

Conservative MP Tako Van Popta asked the government to cancel plans to triple taxes on home heating fuels this winter. Minister Mark Holland said the opposition amplifies anxiety rather than offering solutions and noted Canada has one of the lowest inflation rates in the world.

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Government Appointments

Bloc Québécois MP Christine Normandin said the government is hunting sources to punish a whistle-blower on a unilingual appointment and asked whether it would support Bill C-290. Minister Steven Guilbeault said Canada is one of the most transparent countries and that public servants should not use office equipment to disclose internal information.

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Federal Framework on Housing for Individuals with Non-visible Disabilities

Liberal MP Arielle Kayabaga moved a motion calling for a federal framework to improve access to adaptable affordable housing for people with non-visible disabilities. Conservative MP Tako Van Popta asked about the impact of higher interest rates on an affordable rental project in his riding.

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Question Period, exchange by exchange

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  1. deflected
    Public SafetyPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Mr. Yasir Naqvi (Liberal). loaded question.Answer restates general principle of non-interference without addressing the recording or resignation demand.At no point did our government attempt to interfere with police operations.
  2. deflected
    Public SafetyPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Mr. Yasir Naqvi (Liberal). loaded question.Answer repeats non-interference principle and ignores specific quotes and resignation call.at no moment, ever, has our government interfered in police investigations or police operations, nor will we ever do so.
  3. partly answered
    Public SafetyPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Mr. Yasir Naqvi (Liberal). loaded question.Answer directly quotes commissioner testimony to rebut interference claim but still avoids resignation question.Let me be clear. I did not interfere in the investigation, I did not receive direction and I was not influenced by government officials regarding the public release of information and, more importantly, on the direction of the investigation.
  4. deflected
    Public Services and ProcurementPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Mark Holland (Liberal). loaded question.Answer shifts to defending the app's purpose instead of identifying who received the funds or addressing the contradiction.what we did, when the country was in a situation of crisis and when the opposition was calling for the border to be closed, was ensure that we brought forward an app that allowed for the movement of people safely during that crisis
  5. deflected
    Public Services and ProcurementPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Mark Holland (Liberal). loaded question.Answer notes investigation but pivots to crisis justification without naming recipient or location of funds.CBSA is looking into this matter. It is aware of concerns with respect to the contract.
  6. misdirected
    Government AppointmentsMs. Christine Normandin (Bloc) asked Steven Guilbeault (Liberal). substantive question.Answer cites journalist federation comment on internal disclosure and pivots to French-language support instead of addressing source-hunting.the president of the Fédération professionnelle des journalistes du Québec himself stated in an interview for that article that federal public servants are not supposed to use their office equipment to disclose information that is supposed to remain internal to the government.
  7. deflected
    Government AppointmentsMs. Christine Normandin (Bloc) asked Steven Guilbeault (Liberal). substantive question.Answer praises Canada's transparency ranking and avoids committing to support the bill or stopping source searches.Canada is one of the most transparent countries on the planet.
  8. partly answered
    HealthMr. Peter Julian (NDP) asked Jean-Yves Duclos (Liberal). substantive question.Answer acknowledges health-care crisis and notes past investments but gives no timeline for new funding.over the past few months, we have invested significant amounts to that end, and there is more to come.
  9. deflected
    Public SafetyMr. Alistair MacGregor (NDP) asked Mr. Yasir Naqvi (Liberal). loaded question.The answer repeats the non-interference principle without addressing which account is accurate.At no point ever did the minister or the government interfere in a matter of police operation or investigation; nor will it ever do so.
  10. deflected
    Public SafetyMs. Raquel Dancho (Conservative) asked Mr. Yasir Naqvi (Liberal). loaded question.The answer repeats the non-interference principle without addressing the specific claims of pressure or misleading testimony.At no point did our government instruct anyone to release any information, because we would never violate the sacrosanct principle of non-interference in a police investigation or police operation, as was the case in this circumstance.
  11. deflected
    Public SafetyMs. Raquel Dancho (Conservative) asked Mr. Yasir Naqvi (Liberal). loaded question.The answer repeats the non-interference principle and quotes the commissioner without addressing the new recordings or resignation demand.at no point did our government attempt to direct or otherwise interfere in the police operation that was taking place after that tragic incident that took place in Nova Scotia.
  12. deflected
    Public SafetyMs. Melissa Lantsman (Conservative) asked Mr. Yasir Naqvi (Liberal). loaded question.The answer repeats the non-interference principle without addressing the timing or motive for resignation.At no time did our government attempt to interfere in police operations.
  13. deflected
    Public SafetyMs. Melissa Lantsman (Conservative) asked Mr. Yasir Naqvi (Liberal). loaded question.The answer shifts to acknowledging the tragedy without addressing the resignation demand or recordings.Our focus has been to ensure that through this inquiry—
  14. deflected
    Public SafetyMr. Gérard Deltell (Conservative) asked Mr. Yasir Naqvi (Liberal). loaded question.The answer repeats the non-interference principle without addressing the quoted recording or resignation demand.At no time did our government attempt to interfere in police operations.
  15. deflected
    Public SafetyMr. Gérard Deltell (Conservative) asked Mr. Yasir Naqvi (Liberal). loaded question.The answer repeats the non-interference principle and cites earlier testimony without addressing the new recording or resignation demand.In our democracy, politicians do not interfere in police operations or police investigations, and they did not do so in this matter.
  16. partly answered
    Public SafetyMr. Gabriel Ste-Marie (Bloc) asked Mr. Yasir Naqvi (Liberal). substantive question.The answer addresses federal engagement and the Emergencies Act invocation but does not explain the refusal of reinforcements or mediation.We worked very closely with local police authorities that were responsible for providing policing here, in the case of Ottawa for instance, by providing resources as they were needed.
  17. deflected
    Public SafetyMr. Gabriel Ste-Marie (Bloc) asked Mr. Yasir Naqvi (Liberal). substantive question.The answer discusses collaboration and the Emergencies Act but does not address the delay in mobilizing police reinforcements.The federal government worked extremely closely with the municipal government and its provincial counterparts to make sure all the resources that were needed were provided, so we could end the occupation as quickly as possible.
  18. misdirected
    Public Services and ProcurementMr. Michael Barrett (Conservative) asked Mark Holland (Liberal). substantive question.The answer shifts to criticizing the opposition's border positions instead of addressing the false billing claims.With respect to the ArriveCAN app, I would point out that the members opposite wanted to close the border, did not support the app and, frankly, were not helpful during that period of time in constantly changing their positions.
  19. deflected
    Public Services and ProcurementMr. Michael Barrett (Conservative) asked Mark Holland (Liberal). substantive question.The answer begins to restate general facts about COVID but cuts off without addressing the missing payments or who benefited.During an unprecedented time when the country was being rocked by COVID, we needed to be able to make sure that people—
  20. partly answered
    Public Services and ProcurementMr. Joël Godin (Conservative) asked Mark Holland (Liberal). substantive question.The answer acknowledges questions about contracts and promises accountability but does not identify who received the $1.2 million.In every situation, in any situation, we will ensure that we are fully accountable.
  21. deflected
    Public Services and ProcurementMr. Jacques Gourde (Conservative) asked Mark Holland (Liberal). loaded question.The answer justifies the cost by citing broader support needs during COVID but avoids explaining repeated scandals or the app's value.There is the cost around the software, but there was more to it than the cost of the software.
  22. partly answered
    HealthMs. Rachel Blaney (NDP) asked Jean-Yves Duclos (Liberal). substantive question.The answer recognizes health care pressures and mentions future collaboration but does not commit to specific long-term funding.That is why we are going to work together to continue to do that with increased—
  23. partly answered
    HealthMs. Rachel Blaney (NDP) asked Jean-Yves Duclos (Liberal). substantive question.The answer cites recent investments to reduce backlogs and support workers but does not confirm stable long-term funding for rural ERs.That is why, over the last few weeks and months, we have been investing increased resources through an additional $2-billion investment to reduce backlogs and another $1 billion to support health care workers in long-term care settings—
  24. deflected
    HealthMs. Heather McPherson (NDP) asked Jean-Yves Duclos (Liberal). substantive question.The answer emphasizes federal support and opposition to privatization but does not specify actions or timelines to address ER wait times or underfunding.Canadians want access to Canada's public health care system in a manner which is supported by the principles of accessibility, affordability and universality.
  25. deflected
    Public SafetyMr. Dane Lloyd (Conservative) asked Mr. Yasir Naqvi (Liberal). loaded question.The answer restates a general principle without addressing the audio evidence or resignation demand.In our democracy, one of the fundamental principles is that we, the government, do not interfere in any police operation or police investigation.
  26. deflected
    Public SafetyMr. Dane Lloyd (Conservative) asked Mr. Yasir Naqvi (Liberal). loaded question.The answer quotes testimony and restates the non-interference principle without engaging the new audio or resignation call.I did not receive direction and I was not influenced by government officials regarding the public release of information
  27. misdirected
    TaxationMr. Tako Van Popta (Conservative) asked Mark Holland (Liberal). loaded question.The answer attacks the opposition leader and pivots to unrelated programs instead of addressing the tax question.Right now, when we are in a time of global crisis, when people are finding things hard, it does not matter that Canada has one of the lowest inflation rates in the world.
  28. misdirected
    TaxationMrs. Karen Vecchio (Conservative) asked Mark Holland (Liberal). loaded question.The answer criticizes the opposition for amplifying anxiety and pivots to climate and dental care without addressing the heating tax question.What are their solutions? To take something they know gives more money back than it takes to fight climate change and to stand up against dental care for those families who need it
  29. deflected
    Natural ResourcesMs. Monique Pauzé (Bloc) asked Steven Guilbeault (Liberal). rhetorical question.The answer ignores the oil-company award premise and instead highlights an unrelated National Geographic award.I am pleased to tell my colleague that the very important international magazine National Geographic named the Prime Minister of Canada man of the year for the work Canada is doing to protect nature.
  30. deflected
    Natural ResourcesMs. Monique Pauzé (Bloc) asked Steven Guilbeault (Liberal). loaded question.The answer lists green investments without addressing the contradiction between stated climate goals and fast-tracking oil projects.I would like to remind my colleague that, in the last year alone, we invested $15 billion in the electric battery and electric vehicle sector.
  31. misdirected
    The EconomyMr. Philip Lawrence (Conservative) asked Mark Holland (Liberal). loaded question.The answer dismisses the spending critique as global and pivots to unrelated poverty and dental-care talking points.It does not matter that we have lifted 2.7 million people out of poverty in the last five years.
  32. misdirected
    The EconomyMr. Philip Lawrence (Conservative) asked Mark Holland (Liberal). loaded question.The answer attacks the opposition leader personally over Bitcoin comments instead of addressing the pay-as-you-go legislation request.He was recommending that people take their precious savings and invest in Bitcoin.
  33. deflected
    TaxationMs. Lianne Rood (Conservative) asked Mark Holland (Liberal). loaded question.The answer attacks Conservative positions on climate instead of addressing the request to cancel heating tax plans.They also say that we caused it. That is how ridiculous and preposterous their positions are.
  34. partly answered
    TaxationMr. Richard Lehoux (Conservative) asked Steven Guilbeault (Liberal). substantive question.The answer addresses taxes only for Quebec and does not cover suspending all new taxes nationally.The federal price on pollution does not apply to Quebec, because Quebec has kept its own cap-and-trade system, which operates in a completely different way from the carbon pricing system.
  35. misdirected
    FinanceMr. Marty Morantz (Conservative) asked Mark Holland (Liberal). rhetorical question.The answer attacks the opposition leader's past views rather than addressing fiscal responsibility claims.the Leader of the Opposition was in the darkest corners of the Internet searching for solutions with Bitcoin and recommending such things.
  36. partly answered
    Public SafetyMr. Scott Reid (Conservative) asked Mark Holland (Liberal). substantive question.The answer endorses the idea of AEDs but offers no commitment on placement in RCMP vehicles even with external funding.The government continues to look at how we can support public health efforts across the country to make sure there is knowledge about defibrillators, CPR and AEDs.
  37. partly answered
    HousingMr. Blake Desjarlais (NDP) asked Ms. Jenna Sudds (Liberal). substantive question.The answer lists existing housing measures but does not address renovictions or the specific tax loopholes raised.That is why we have legislated an annual 1% tax on the value of non-resident, non-Canadian-owned residential real estate, and a two-year ban on foreign investment in Canadian residential properties.
  38. deflected
    TaxationMr. Kevin Vuong (Independent) asked Steven Guilbeault (Liberal). loaded question.The answer highlights climate costs and criticizes Conservatives instead of addressing the clean fuel standard cost claim.Unfortunately, the Conservative Party has no plan whatsoever.
  39. answered
    PrivilegeAndrew Scheer (Conservative) asked Mr. Kevin Lamoureux (Liberal). substantive question.The answer follows standard procedure by committing to review the privilege matter and respond.we will have the opportunity to peruse what the member has put on the record and get back to the Speaker in a timely fashion.