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Wednesday, February 20, 2019 · sitting No. 383
Trudeau and Scheer clash over SNC-Lavalin meeting request
Oral questions on justice consumed the largest share of the sitting as Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer pressed Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on who requested the September 17 2018 meeting with former attorney general Jody Wilson-Raybould. Scheer noted that the director of public prosecutions had already told SNC-Lavalin on September 4 that the company would not receive a special deal. Trudeau replied that cabinet confidentiality covers such meetings and that the government stands for jobs while respecting judicial independence.
The House also adopted time allocation on second reading of Bill C-91, an act respecting Indigenous languages, after Liberal House leader Bardish Chagger moved the motion. Conservative MP Gérard Deltell and NDP MP Sheri Benson objected that more members wished to speak on the bill that had been developed with Indigenous partners.
Points of order arose after Wilson-Raybould announced she would abstain from a vote because the matter concerned her personally, prompting Conservative MP Candice Bergen and NDP MP Charlie Angus to argue that Trudeau and the current attorney general should likewise abstain.
Decided that day
- Bill C-91 advanced to second reading
- Time allocation for Bill C-91 approved
- Opposition motions on political interference rejected
From the Hansard record of the sitting. Full Hansard
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Who held the floor · 2019-02-20
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Natural Resources
NDP MP Alexandre Boulerice said the government had broken its promise to end fossil fuel subsidies by buying the pipeline and skipping a climate assessment; Trudeau answered that the government is following the court-ordered consultation path.
Read the exchangeVeterans Affairs
Liberal MP Darrell Samson asked what steps the government had taken at Camp Hill hospital; Trudeau listed the $10-billion investment in benefits, reopened offices and added beds.
Read the exchangeIndigenous Affairs
NDP MP Linda Duncan said Ottawa had failed to consult Indigenous peoples on recovery strategies; Trudeau replied that work is based on science and partnership with First Nations.
Read the exchangeAutomotive Industry
Liberal MP Francis Scarpaleggia asked what the government is doing for connected vehicles; Trudeau cited the $40-million investment in BlackBerry QNX that will create 800 jobs.
Read the exchangeFinance
Liberal MP Michael McLeod asked for an update on the plan for the middle class; Finance Minister Bill Morneau announced the March 19 budget.
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- deflectedJusticeAndrew Scheer (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer avoids naming who requested the meeting and instead repeats talking points on jobs and institutions.
We know that we need to meet Canadians' expectations consistently while respecting our institutions, and that is what we have always done.
- deflectedJusticeAndrew Scheer (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer sidesteps the direct question about who requested the meeting by pivoting to unrelated assurances and an attack on the opposition.
we will always stand up for good jobs right across this country, every step of the way, while making sure we respect the independence of our judicial system.
- deflectedJusticeAndrew Scheer (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer refuses to identify who requested the meeting and instead invokes cabinet confidentiality while restating general principles.
Of course the meetings that I have with any member of cabinet are covered by cabinet confidentiality, but members can be sure that every step of the way we both stand up for Canadians and look to serve them and stand up for our institutions that keep us all safe in this country.
- deflectedJusticeAndrew Scheer (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer evades the yes/no question on awareness of the prosecutor's decision by shifting to broad statements on jobs and institutions.
Those are the two things that are central tenets for this government and that we will always continue to do.
- deflectedJusticeAndrew Scheer (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer ignores the explicit yes/no request and returns to talking points about jobs and judicial independence.
Of course we are going to be very careful about how we move forward in protecting those jobs, but we are also going to, at the same time, make sure that we are standing up for the independence of our judicial system and all the processes that keep our democratic institutions safe.
- deflectedJusticeMr. Guy Caron (NDP) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer avoids explaining the necessity of the meeting and instead quotes the prosecutor while reiterating general commitments.
Last week, she confirmed that prosecutors, in this and every other case, exercise their discretion independently and free from any political or partisan consideration—
- deflectedJusticeMr. Guy Caron (NDP) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer sidesteps the call for an independent inquiry by repeating the prosecutor's statement and general principles without addressing versions of events or privilege waiver.
She confirmed that, in every case, prosecutors exercise their discretion independently and free from any political or partisan consideration.
- deflectedJusticeMr. Charlie Angus (NDP) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer evades the request for an independent inquiry and staff testimony by pivoting to jobs, the economy, and the prosecutor's independence statement.
If the member does not choose to take my word for it, let him to take it directly from the director of the Public Prosecution Service, who confirmed just last week that, in every case, prosecutors "exercise their discretion independently and free from any political or partisan consideration."
- deflectedJusticeMr. Charlie Angus (NDP) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). rhetorical question.The answer avoids the direct question about allowing testimony by redirecting to committee and commissioner.
I have tremendous confidence in the members of the justice committee, who will be moving forward on the investigation of all sides; and indeed in the Ethics Commissioner, who has taken this matter under investigation.
- deflectedJusticeAndrew Scheer (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.The response discusses general principles instead of providing the requested information about when the Prime Minister was informed.
we have had many meetings with all cabinet members on many issues that are important to Canadians.
- deflectedJusticeAndrew Scheer (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer sidesteps the timeline question by attacking the opposition's understanding rather than addressing awareness of the meeting.
The Conservatives do not seem to understand that a team that works together actually has lots of people having meetings about things that matter all the time.
- deflectedJusticeAndrew Scheer (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). loaded question.The answer avoids the yes-or-no question on expressing support by accusing the opposition of playing games.
once again we see the Conservatives choosing to play political games with issues of deep importance.
- deflectedJusticeAndrew Scheer (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.The response quotes the prosecutor on independence but does not answer whether the Prime Minister expressed support for a deal after September 4.
prosecutors "exercise their discretion independently and free from any political or partisan consideration."
- deflectedJusticeAndrew Scheer (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer reiterates support for jobs without addressing the specific yes-or-no question on expressing support for a deal after the September 4 decision.
I have been unequivocal over the fall, and I am unequivocal now, that we will always support Canadian jobs and the growth of our economy.
- deflectedJusticeAndrew Scheer (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). loaded question.The response confirms meetings occurred but evades explaining their purpose regarding reversing the decision.
I can confirm right here in this House that we had many meetings between cabinet ministers and the Prime Minister and the Prime Minister's Office on a broad range of important issues that matter to Canadians.
- partly answeredJusticeMs. Ruth Ellen Brosseau (NDP) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer addresses solicitor-client privilege consideration but does not confirm whether staff from the PMO will appear before the committee.
That is why I asked our Attorney General for advice on how to proceed in this matter so that we can give people the opportunity to speak.
- deflectedJusticeMr. Murray Rankin (NDP) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). loaded question.Answer avoids the specific request about testimony and privilege by pivoting to general commitments.
We will continue to make sure we are standing up for good jobs right across the country and upholding the independence of our judicial system.
- deflectedJusticeAndrew Scheer (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.Answer gives no yes or no and instead restates broad policy priorities.
we will always stand up for good jobs.
- deflectedJusticeAndrew Scheer (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.Answer shifts to cabinet confidentiality without addressing the yes-or-no question.
discussions among the federal cabinet are covered by cabinet confidentiality as well.
- deflectedJusticeAndrew Scheer (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). loaded question.Answer ignores the question and lists unrelated government achievements.
We put more money in the pockets of the middle class by raising taxes on the wealthiest 1% and lowering them for the middle class.
- misdirectedJusticeAndrew Scheer (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). loaded question.Answer addresses concerns about judicial independence rather than the specific question asked.
in every case prosecutors "exercise their discretion independently and free from any political or partisan consideration."
- deflectedNatural ResourcesMr. Alexandre Boulerice (NDP) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). rhetorical question.Answer reframes the question around balancing economy and environment without addressing fossil fuel subsidies or the assessment promise.
The courts said we needed to consult indigenous peoples and evaluate the impact on marine shipping, and that is exactly what we are doing
- deflectedNatural ResourcesMr. Nathan Cullen (NDP) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). loaded question.Answer repeats court process and contrasts with Conservatives but does not address the subsidy or review promises.
The courts said we needed to do better on consulting indigenous peoples and on evaluating the impact on marine shipping.
- deflectedJusticeAndrew Scheer (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.Answer again avoids the yes-or-no question by restating job support and rule of law.
we will always do so in a way that respects the independence of our judicial system and the rule of law.
- deflectedJusticeAndrew Scheer (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.Answer ignores the specific question about the meeting and Clerk visit, instead repeating jobs talking points and attacking Conservatives.
It is telling right now that we see the Conservatives saying that they will not.
- deflectedJusticeAndrew Scheer (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.Answer avoids the question on why the AG would ask about direction and instead questions the Conservatives' motives while quoting an unrelated statement.
once again, the Conservatives are calling into question the independence of our judicial system and the rule of law in this country.
- deflectedJusticeAndrew Scheer (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.Response repeats general principles about jobs and institutions without addressing why the AG sought clarification or felt pressure.
all Canadians who have been watching our government over the past three and a half years know full well that we will always stand up for good jobs.
- deflectedIndigenous AffairsMs. Linda Duncan (NDP) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.Answer offers general assurances about consultation and science but does not address the specific failures or timeline for action on the report.
The work that we do is always based on science and this work is always done in consultation and partnership with indigenous groups as well as all stakeholders.
- partly answeredIndigenous AffairsMs. Anne Minh-Thu Quach (NDP) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.Answer acknowledges the project and indicates awareness but provides no commitment or timeline, deferring to future weeks.
the minister is fully aware of this request, understands how important it is and we will have more to say in the coming weeks.
- deflectedJusticeAndrew Scheer (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.Answer sidesteps the direct question about who requested the meeting and pivots to unrelated statements on jobs and upcoming reviews.
every step of the way, we will stand up for good jobs for Canadians.
- deflectedJusticeAndrew Scheer (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.Response explains Butts' personal decision but does not answer the yes-or-no question about whether the Prime Minister asked for the resignation.
Gerald Butts' statement speaks for itself.
- misdirectedJusticeAndrew Scheer (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.Answer changes subject entirely to child benefits and tax policy while attacking the previous Conservative government instead of addressing the contradiction raised.
Unfortunately, under 10 years of Stephen Harper, the benefits to the wealthiest and the well connected did not grow the economy.
- deflectedJusticeAndrew Scheer (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer avoids the direct yes/no request for a public inquiry by instead highlighting existing processes.
we have tremendous confidence in the processes that are in place to move forward, including an investigation by the justice committee in which committee members are independent in their decisions on how to proceed.
- misdirectedRail TransportationMr. Robert Aubin (NDP) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer shifts from rail safety to praising pipelines and Trans Mountain instead of addressing the minister's actions on rail.
I can assure my colleague that we know pipelines are one of the safest ways to transport our oil resources.
- deflectedJusticeAndrew Scheer (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer sidesteps the request for Butts to testify by emphasizing committee independence and contrasting with the prior government.
unlike what we saw under 10 years of Stephen Harper's government, we respect the independence of parliamentary committees.
- deflectedJusticeMaxime Bernier (Independent) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). loaded question.The answer ignores the crony capitalism accusation and instead discusses job support and rule of law without engaging the premise.
We will continue to do that in a way that respects both our institutions and the rule of law.