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Thursday, November 2, 2017 · sitting No. 228
Budget bill debate takes up half the sitting as ethics questions dominate QP
The House spent nearly half the day at second reading of Bill C-63, the budget implementation act. Liberal MP Joël Lightbound said the bill advances job creation and economic growth, with more than 450000 jobs added in two years and the unemployment rate at its lowest since 2008. Conservative MP Dan Albas said tax changes on work in progress would hurt lawyers on contingency fees and limit access to justice.
In Question Period, Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer asked how many cabinet ministers besides Finance Minister Bill Morneau use a loophole to avoid divesting assets. Morneau said two is fewer than five and that the government continues to work with the Ethics Commissioner. NDP MP Guy Caron said Bill C-58 fails to extend access to information rules to ministers' offices as promised.
Liberal MP Scott Brison said the government is the first in more than 30 years to modernize the Access to Information Act through proactive disclosure.
Decided that day
- C-383 was introduced
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Who held the floor · 2017-11-02
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Other moments
Foreign Affairs
NDP MP Hélène Laverdière said Bill C-47 does not impose firm limits on arms exports or cover shipments to the United States, and she asked the government to withdraw the bill. Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland said the bill will regulate illicit weapons trade and protect human rights.
Read the exchangeIndigenous Affairs
NDP MP Charlie Angus said the government refuses to flow $155 million ordered by the Human Rights Tribunal for first nations child welfare. Indigenous Services Minister Jane Philpott said hundreds of millions have been added and an emergency meeting of partners has been called.
Read the exchangeSoftwood Lumber
NDP MP Tracey Ramsey said the government must secure a fair deal to protect forestry jobs after U.S. duties were made permanent. Liberal MP Adam Vaughan said the government seeks the right deal, not a quick one, and will defend Canadian interests.
Read the exchangeOfficial Languages
NDP MP François Choquette said complaints about the use of French in the federal public service have tripled in five years. Liberal MP Sean Casey said the government is working with the Clerk of the Privy Council to strengthen bilingualism in the workplace.
Read the exchangeQuestion Period, exchange by exchange
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- deflectedEthicsAndrew Scheer (Conservative) asked Bill Morneau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer avoids naming ministers or giving an exact count by vaguely referencing numbers and shifting to general approach.
What I can say is that two is less than five.
- misdirectedEthicsAndrew Scheer (Conservative) asked Bill Morneau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer changes the subject to attack opposition motives and praise government policies instead of addressing the count of ministers.
We will not play the games of the opposition.
- deflectedEthicsAndrew Scheer (Conservative) asked Bill Morneau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer dismisses the question as wrong without providing names or numbers and pivots to general commitments.
the member opposite is wrong, and he knows he is wrong.
- misdirectedEthicsPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Bill Morneau (Liberal). rhetorical question.The answer ignores the direct insult and redirects to policy benefits for children rather than addressing the ethics accusation.
For the member for Regina—Qu'Appelle , we know that for the 16,090 children who have received the Canada child benefit, an average of $700 per family, it is not a game.
- deflectedEthicsAndrew Scheer (Conservative) asked Bill Morneau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer rebuts one claim but evades naming ministers and shifts focus to election mandate and economic growth.
What I can also say is that Canadians were right when they decided to elect our government, because they knew that we would focus on them, and not focus on playing games that are not to their advantage or their families' advantage.
- partly answeredEthicsAndrew Scheer (Conservative) asked Bill Morneau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer addresses the fine and disclosure but still pivots away from naming other ministers to policy achievements.
What happened here is that I disclosed all of my assets, and in fact there was an administrative error that we satisfied the commissioner with the $200 fine I paid.
- deflectedAccess to InformationMr. Guy Caron (NDP) asked Scott Brison (Liberal). substantive question.The answer defends the bill via proactive disclosure but attacks the NDP's past stance instead of explaining why the promise was not fully met.
I understand why the NDP does not like proactive disclosure.
- partly answeredAccess to InformationMr. Nathan Cullen (NDP) asked Scott Brison (Liberal). substantive question.The answer acknowledges the concern on indigenous requests and offers a specific amendment commitment while defending the overall modernization.
I will be very clear that we will support an amendment that would require departments to seek approval from the Information Commissioner before refusing a request.
- deflectedEthicsMr. Nathan Cullen (NDP) asked Bill Morneau (Liberal). rhetorical question.The answer restates general commitments and pivots to economic growth instead of addressing the specific ethics accusations.
That is why we are working with the Ethics Commissioner to make sure that in all of our situations, she understands all of our assets.
- deflectedEthicsMr. Guy Caron (NDP) asked Bill Morneau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer avoids the specific questions about enforcement and investigations by restating the approach of working with the commissioner and pivoting to economic stats.
We now have the highest rate of economic growth and the lowest rate of unemployment in a decade.
- misdirectedEthicsMr. Alain Rayes (Conservative) asked Bill Morneau (Liberal). loaded question.The answer attacks the opposition by dismissing the exchange as a game and shifts to unrelated poverty stats instead of addressing the conflict of interest claim.
yesterday, I spoke with a member of the opposition. He told me that it was not personal, that what happens here in the House is just a game.
- deflectedEthicsMr. Alain Rayes (Conservative) asked Bill Morneau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer repeats respect for the commissioner and the process without confirming or denying the conflict of interest or when it was known.
We have a lot of respect for her. Our government believes that this is the best way to ensure we are not in conflict of interest.
- misdirectedEthicsLisa Raitt (Conservative) asked Bill Morneau (Liberal). loaded question.The answer mocks the opposition's counting ability and lists only two cases while ignoring the question about other ministers and the senior official's refutation.
What we know is that the number two is less than the number five.
- misdirectedEthicsLisa Raitt (Conservative) asked Bill Morneau (Liberal). loaded question.The answer pivots to child benefit numbers in the asker's riding and avoids confirming trust in the commissioner or addressing the law-breaking claim.
there are 25,630 children in her riding whose families are getting on average $520 more through the Canada child benefit.
- deflectedEthicsPeter Kent (Conservative) asked Bill Morneau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer affirms respect for the commissioner and the disclosure process but does not state how many ministers used the loopholes.
We have worked with the Ethics Commissioner to make sure that we can ensure all of our situations are fully exposed and that she can provide recommendations for us on how we can ensure we do not have conflicts of interest.
- deflectedEthicsPeter Kent (Conservative) asked Bill Morneau (Liberal). loaded question.The answer reiterates respect for the commissioner without addressing whether the PMO called her wrong or misled Parliament about the number of ministers.
again, we have the highest respect for the Ethics Commissioner and will continue to work with her to make sure that her work, which is so important, can continue to be done in a respectful way.
- deflectedForeign AffairsMs. Hélène Laverdière (NDP) asked Chrystia Freeland (Liberal). substantive question.The answer promotes the bill and public input without addressing amendment or withdrawal.
Bill C-47 would put into regulation the criteria that must be considered before authorizing export permits.
- deflectedForeign AffairsMs. Hélène Laverdière (NDP) asked Chrystia Freeland (Liberal). substantive question.The answer repeats the same promotion of the bill without addressing amendment or withdrawal.
Bill C-47 would put into regulations the criteria that must be considered before authorizing export permits.
- misdirectedEthicsMr. John Brassard (Conservative) asked Bill Morneau (Liberal). loaded question.The answer shifts entirely to economic talking points instead of addressing the ethics finding.
They are seeing the highest growth rate they have seen in a decade.
- misdirectedEthicsMrs. Sylvie Boucher (Conservative) asked Bill Morneau (Liberal). loaded question.The answer ignores the question about the minister's holdings and pivots to unrelated benefits.
That is why we introduced the Canada child benefit, which makes life better for 300,000 children.
- partly answeredEthicsPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Bill Morneau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer addresses disclosure to the commissioner but avoids specifics on other holdings.
By exposing all of my assets, 100% of my assets, to the Ethics Commissioner when we came into office, I was able to get recommendations from her on how to best move forward to avoid conflicts of interest
- misdirectedEthicsPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Bill Morneau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer insults the asker and pivots to constituency benefits instead of addressing hidden assets.
perhaps the member for Carleton does not actually know what an asset is, but all my assets were exposed to the Ethics Commissioner.
- answeredYouthMs. Anne Minh-Thu Quach (NDP) asked Mr. Peter Schiefke (Liberal). substantive question.The answer directly lists specific investments in youth programs in response to the spending critique.
First, we boosted the Canada summer jobs program by an unprecedented $300 million.
- partly answeredIndigenous AffairsMr. Charlie Angus (NDP) asked Jane Philpott (Liberal). substantive question.The answer acknowledges the crisis and meetings but does not address flowing the ordered $155 million.
As of this week, I have called for an emergency meeting of all appropriate partners.
- deflectedEthicsMr. Gérard Deltell (Conservative) asked Scott Brison (Liberal). loaded question.Answer attacks Conservatives' record instead of addressing the bill or commissioner's comment on access to information.
We will take no lessons from the most secretive government of all time.
- deflectedEthicsMr. Gérard Deltell (Conservative) asked Scott Brison (Liberal). loaded question.Answer highlights government achievements and past Conservative inaction rather than responding to the commissioner's criticism.
For the first time in history, our government is giving the commissioner order-making power.
- deflectedEthicsMrs. Shannon Stubbs (Conservative) asked Bill Morneau (Liberal). loaded question.Answer praises the Ethics Commissioner and restates general process without addressing the specific fine or withheld information.
I hold the Ethics Commissioner in the highest regard.
- answeredEthicsCandice Bergen (Conservative) asked Bill Morneau (Liberal). substantive question.Answer directly states that nothing else is hidden and all assets were exposed to the commissioner.
- partly answeredHealthMr. Wayne Stetski (NDP) asked Mr. Bill Blair (Liberal). substantive question.Answer explains the licensing framework and health focus but does not address support for small-scale outdoor farmers.
Health Canada administers a very effective system of licensing for those who meet the requirements of that regulation
- partly answeredThe EnvironmentMr. Gord Johns (NDP) asked Marc Garneau (Liberal). substantive question.Answer notes ship owner responsibility for cleanup but does not address creating a dedicated annual fund for coastal debris.
With respect to ships that lose cargo, it is very clear that they are responsible for the cleaning.
- misdirectedEthicsPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Bill Morneau (Liberal). loaded question.Answer pivots to praising Canada child benefit and attacks the questioner's numbers instead of addressing unreported assets.
the numbers he should focus on are the more than 16,000 children in his riding who are getting the Canada child benefit
- deflectedEthicsPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Bill Morneau (Liberal). loaded question.Answer restates the Ethics Commissioner disclosure process without addressing specific unreported holdings or dividends.
we have a process in this House that we work with the Ethics Commissioner so that we can expose all of our assets to her
- deflectedEthicsPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Bill Morneau (Liberal). loaded question.The answer avoids disclosing holdings by pivoting to Ethics Commissioner respect and opposition attacks.
We will not get distracted by the games from the other side.
- deflectedEthicsErin O'Toole (Conservative) asked Bill Morneau (Liberal). loaded question.The answer ignores the demand for an apology and instead promotes economic record while attacking opposition.
While the members of the official opposition have been playing games, we have actually been trying to work for Canadians.
- partly answeredHousingMs. Marjolaine Boutin-Sweet (NDP) asked Mr. Adam Vaughan (Liberal). substantive question.The answer addresses the housing investment question by outlining funding increases and a national strategy.
Not only in the first budget did we double the amount of money going to provinces and our partners in the municipalities, but we have now committed to a 10-year program to create the first ever national strategy for housing.
- deflectedRegional DevelopmentMr. Alupa Clarke (Conservative) asked Mr. Jonathan Wilkinson (Liberal). substantive question.The answer explains Parks Canada policy but does not address the promise to fight the decision in cabinet.
Parks Canada primarily exhibits the objects under its care at Parks Canada-administered national parks and national historic sites in every province and territory.
- partly answeredIntergovernmental RelationsMr. Gabriel Ste-Marie (Bloc) asked Mr. Bill Blair (Liberal). substantive question.The answer addresses intergovernmental discussions on taxation but does not commit to leaving revenue with Quebec.
There have been ongoing discussions with the provinces and territories about the appropriate taxation and price regimens to be put in place.
- partly answeredIntergovernmental RelationsMr. Gabriel Ste-Marie (Bloc) asked Mélanie Joly (Liberal). substantive question.The answer states the government's position on rights but does not promise to respect Quebec jurisdiction or refrain from legal challenges.
We will always promote and protect rights and freedoms because we believe in the importance of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
- answeredBusiness of the HouseCandice Bergen (Conservative) asked Bardish Chagger (Liberal). substantive question.The answer directly lists the planned business for the week and next week.
- deflectedPrivilegePeter Kent (Conservative) asked Mr. Kevin Lamoureux (Liberal). substantive question.The answer acknowledges the privilege question but provides no clarification or commitment beyond review.
We will review what the member has brought forward to the House and report back in due course.