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Wednesday, October 18, 2017 · sitting No. 217

Finance minister under fire over holdings as commons ethics debate dominates

Question period on ethics consumed the largest share of the sitting as Conservative leader Andrew Scheer pressed Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on when he learned that Finance Minister Bill Morneau retained direct control of personal investments including shares in Morneau Shepell. Trudeau replied that Morneau had consulted the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner upon election and recently wrote to seek further guidance.

Scheer cited the prime minister's own mandate letter requiring the minister to uphold standards beyond mere legal compliance. Trudeau maintained that all initial advice from the commissioner had been followed.

Decided that day

  • Private Members' Business M-108 passed
  • Bill C-349 defeated at second reading

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Who held the floor · 2017-10-18

Government (Liberal)OppositionOver the day: government 46%, opposition 54% of the words spokenQuestion PeriodGovernment business▲ Government side held the floor▼ Opposition held the floorOpened 14:0015:0016:0017:0018:00Last speech 19:20Time of day, Ottawa · the House sat 5 h 20 min · each dot is a stretch of debate, placed at the minute it began
61Ethics talk, one farm motion passesThe sitting devoted most time to substantive topics yet Question Period produced almost no direct answers. One private member's motion passed while a criminal-code bill failed at second reading.AI-rated Score out of 100; the verdict and the answer ratings behind it are a model’s reading. How the AI rates this

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Other moments

Pensions

NDP MP Scott Duvall said Morneau Shepell's appointment to administer the Sears Canada pension plan created an appearance of conflict given the company's advocacy for shifting pension risk to workers, and he asked whether Bill C-27 would benefit the minister.

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Federal Sustainable Development Act

Liberal MP William Amos told the House that Bill C-57 would extend sustainable development strategy requirements to additional federal entities such as Canada Post.

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Carbon Pricing

Conservative MP Larry Maguire urged the finance committee to study how carbon pricing costs could be shown transparently on consumer invoices and receipts.

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International Trade

Conservative MP Luc Berthold said a Liberal parliamentary secretary had indicated room to negotiate concessions on supply management during televised U.S. proceedings.

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Indigenous Affairs

Conservative MP Cathy McLeod criticized the national inquiry into missing and murdered indigenous women for limiting family testimony to a couple of minutes.

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Question Period, exchange by exchange

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  1. deflected
    EthicsAndrew Scheer (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer avoids the timing question by discussing consultations with the Ethics Commissioner.when the Minister of Finance was first elected almost two years ago, he consulted the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner and followed all of her advice.
  2. deflected
    EthicsAndrew Scheer (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer repeats prior points about the Ethics Commissioner without addressing when the Prime Minister became aware.as I said, the Minister of Finance worked with the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner from the start to make sure everything was up to date, to work with her, and to follow her advice in order to fulfill his ministerial mandate with integrity.
  3. deflected
    EthicsAndrew Scheer (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer sidesteps the direct question on awareness by reiterating compliance with the Ethics Commissioner.when the finance minister first got elected two years ago, he approached the Ethics Commissioner, as many of us did, to talk about his situation and to ask her advice on how he could ensure that all the rules and all the principles were followed.
  4. misdirected
    EthicsAndrew Scheer (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). loaded question.The answer shifts to small business tax fairness instead of addressing the timing of awareness about the minister's holdings.over the course of the summer, we heard from Canadians, small businesses, and middle-class Canadians who are looking forward to making sure that the system is fair.
  5. misdirected
    EthicsAndrew Scheer (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). loaded question.The answer pivots to an election promise on tax rates rather than confirming recusal from Bill C-27 discussions.in the 2015 election campaign, we promised that as we reduce the small business tax rate to 9% from 11%, we will ensure that Canadian-controlled private corporations are not used to reduce personal income tax obligations for high-income earners rather than supporting small businesses.
  6. deflected
    EthicsMr. Guy Caron (NDP) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer ignores the 2014 loophole reference and restates that the minister followed the Ethics Commissioner's advice.despite what the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner might have said in 2014, the finance minister consulted with her in 2015 to ask her advice on what he should do to ensure he follows all the rules in place that govern us all.
  7. deflected
    EthicsMr. Guy Caron (NDP) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer avoids defining conflict of interest by emphasizing ongoing work with the Ethics Commissioner.The Minister of Finance began working with the commissioner in 2015 to ensure he was fully compliant, and he is still working with her.
  8. deflected
    EthicsMr. Nathan Cullen (NDP) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). loaded question.The answer counters by accusing the asker of throwing the Ethics Commissioner under the bus without addressing the ownership structure.I think the member opposite needs to take a sharp look at who he is throwing under the bus.
  9. deflected
    EthicsMr. Nathan Cullen (NDP) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). loaded question.Answer ignores the direct question about the PM's knowledge and actions, instead restating general compliance with the commissioner.I and everyone in this House, expect all members of this House to work with the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner to follow the advice that she gives.
  10. deflected
    EthicsMr. Alain Rayes (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). loaded question.Answer claims the question was already answered but pivots to tax policy achievements without addressing when the PM learned of the assets.As everyone knows, the Minister of Finance worked with the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner to ensure full compliance on everything having to do with his personal assets.
  11. deflected
    EthicsMr. Alain Rayes (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). loaded question.Answer avoids the question on asset disclosure by shifting to benefits for small businesses and tax cuts.Those mechanics, small business owners, farmers, and fishers will all benefit from a tax cut thanks to the actions of this government.
  12. deflected
    EthicsLisa Raitt (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). loaded question.Answer sidesteps the timeline of when the PM learned about the shares by emphasizing general compliance and policy focus.as is the case for all our ministers, I knew that our ministers, each and every one of them, have worked with the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner to ensure that her advice is followed in their personal affairs.
  13. deflected
    EthicsLisa Raitt (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). rhetorical question.The input is an accusation rather than a question; answer defends the system and pivots to policy without engaging the charge.my responsibility is to ensure that this government stays focused on the things that matter and that we follow all the rules.
  14. deflected
    EthicsCandice Bergen (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). loaded question.Answer defends the Ethics Commissioner and accuses opposition of gutter politics instead of addressing the loophole or asset protection claim.One of the reasons we have a Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner is to avoid the gutter politics that the members opposite are involved in right now
  15. deflected
    EthicsCandice Bergen (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). loaded question.Answer lists finance minister achievements and ignores the question about profiting from owned assets while legislating.The finance minister lowered taxes for the middle class and raised them on the wealthiest 1%.
  16. deflected
    EthicsMs. Ruth Ellen Brosseau (NDP) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). loaded question.Answer ignores the conflict of interest allegation on Bill C-27 and pivots to government promises delivered.Canadians placed their trust in this government and this Minister of Finance because we promised to invest in the middle class, promote economic growth, and help families in need.
  17. deflected
    EthicsMr. Charlie Angus (NDP) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). loaded question.The answer ignores the specific request to withdraw Bill C-27 and instead pivots to general middle-class support.we are proud of the work that the finance minister and indeed this government has done to support organized labour, to support workers across this country.
  18. deflected
    EthicsPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer addresses ethics oversight in general but avoids stating when the Prime Minister learned the details.I have confidence in our Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner, who was fully updated on all the personal situations of every member of our government
  19. misdirected
    EthicsPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). loaded question.The answer lists the minister's achievements instead of addressing the timing of knowledge about shares in Morneau Shepell.the finance minister has helped us in a time when we have the fastest-growing economy in the G7.
  20. misdirected
    EthicsPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). loaded question.The answer shifts to job creation and tax policy rather than answering when the Prime Minister learned of the investments.the finance minister has contributed to the creation of over 400,000 new jobs across this country, most of them full time.
  21. deflected
    EthicsPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). loaded question.The answer accuses the opposition of personal attacks and cuts off without addressing the question.I can understand why members opposite just want to make personal attacks and sully the good name of members across this way.
  22. deflected
    PensionsMs. Anne Minh-Thu Quach (NDP) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). loaded question.The answer expresses disappointment in the NDP but does not address the broken promise on bankruptcy laws or Sears pensions.We will continue to work with Canadians, with workers who are going through tough times, especially those in the retail sector
  23. partly answered
    PensionsMr. Scott Duvall (NDP) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). loaded question.The answer provides some information on support for Sears workers and pension assets but ignores the questions about Morneau Shepell and Bill C-27.I understand current Sears Canada pension fund assets are held in trust, and must be used solely for the benefit of pensioners.
  24. deflected
    EthicsMr. Jacques Gourde (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). loaded question.The answer defends the minister's compliance with rules but does not state when the Prime Minister learned of the shareholding arrangement.The Minister of Finance worked with the commissioner to ensure that he was following all the rules and principles.
  25. deflected
    EthicsPeter Kent (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). loaded question.The answer avoids the timing question by restating general compliance with ethics rules.Furthermore, in the time since the Minister of Finance was elected, he has worked with the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner to ensure that his personal holdings conform with the rules, principles, and laws that regulate us all in this place, and will continue to do exactly that.
  26. deflected
    EthicsMr. Mark Strahl (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). loaded question.The answer shifts to criticizing Conservatives for personal attacks instead of addressing when the Prime Minister learned of the share ownership.The Conservatives have fallen back on personal attacks, on throwing mud, on calling into question not just the Minister of Finance 's ethics, but the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner herself.
  27. deflected
    EthicsMr. Mark Strahl (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). loaded question.The answer accuses the opposition of forgetting arguments and engaging in mudslinging without addressing the timing or loophole claim.They have completely forgotten all the arguments they have made over the past months and do nothing but engage in personal attacks and slinging mud, both at the finance minister and the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner.
  28. deflected
    EthicsMs. Jenny Kwan (NDP) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). loaded question.The answer pivots to listing government achievements and trust in the commissioner rather than addressing the alleged violation.These are the types of things we are focused on. All the while, we trust in the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner and the recommendations she makes to each and every one of us in the House.
  29. deflected
    EthicsMr. Nathan Cullen (NDP) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). loaded question.The answer dismisses the query as mudslinging while promoting economic policies instead of addressing the ethics code breach or apology request.when the opposition has to resort to nothing more than mudslinging and personal attacks, we can see that the government must be doing something right.
  30. partly answered
    International TradeMr. Luc Berthold (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer directly affirms the Liberal commitment to supply management but does not confirm or deny the parliamentary secretary's statement on negotiations.I speak on behalf of all the members on this side of the House when I say that we will always stand up for supply management.
  31. partly answered
    International TradeMr. Luc Berthold (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer reaffirms defense of supply management and past negotiations but avoids addressing the specific concession remark or promising no changes.We have managed to negotiate plenty of international agreements without infringing on supply management.
  32. partly answered
    Indigenous AffairsMrs. Cathy McLeod (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer acknowledges the tragedy and inquiry process but does not justify the limited time given to families at the inquiry.That is why, despite 10 years of the Conservative Party saying no and refusing to act on this, this government has moved forward on the difficult process of a national inquiry into the missing and murdered indigenous women and girls, and we are working hard with this inquiry to ensure that everyone is heard.
  33. answered
    Aerospace IndustryMaxime Bernier (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer directly confirms expectation of repayment while adding job creation details.Not only do we expect to be paid back for our loans to Bombardier, we also expect the company to create jobs for Canadian workers until 2041, if not beyond.
  34. deflected
    Persons with DisabilitiesMs. Cheryl Hardcastle (NDP) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer acknowledges economic challenges but avoids addressing poverty or income support specifically.This is going to part of our accessibility legislation to ensure that Canada offers full opportunities for each and every one of us to achieve our potential, regardless of the barriers we may face.
  35. misdirected
    EthicsPierre Poilievre (Conservative) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer dismisses the question as personal attacks instead of addressing the timeline asked.The fact is, we will stay focused on what matters to Canadians, and what matters to Canadians is not personal attacks, but our delivering on lowering taxes for the middle class, on lowering taxes for small businesses, and on growing the economy in a way that helps everyone in this country.
  36. deflected
    Intergovernmental RelationsMr. Xavier Barsalou-Duval (Bloc) asked Justin Trudeau (Liberal). substantive question.The answer emphasizes upholding the Charter without committing to not challenging the bill.I will continue to ensure that all Canadians are protected by the charter, all while respecting the choices made by lawmakers at all levels.