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Tuesday, February 4, 2014 · sitting No. 41
Opposition motion on CSEC oversight dominates supply day debate
Liberal MP Wayne Easter moved a supply day motion calling on the government to order Communications Security Establishment Canada to cease monitoring Canadians and to create a parliamentary committee to oversee the agency. The motion, which stands referred to committee, consumed 53 per cent of the sitting as members debated the balance between security needs and privacy protections.
In Question Period, NDP Leader Thomas Mulcair pressed Prime Minister Stephen Harper on whether CSEC had collected metadata on Canadians at an airport and on cuts to veterans' services. Harper replied that independent commissioners had found CSEC acted within the law and that spending on veterans' programs had risen by five billion dollars under the government.
Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau questioned Harper on proposed changes to Elections Canada powers, arguing the bill would weaken investigations into election fraud. Harper said the changes would give the commissioner greater independence by moving the office to the director of public prosecutions.
Decided that day
- C-23 introduced
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Veterans Affairs
NDP MP Irene Mathyssen accused Veterans Affairs Minister Julian Fantino of mishandling a veteran's medical file and then boasting about resignation calls. Conservative MP Joyce Bateman defended the government's record on public safety and victims' rights.
Read the exchangeAgriculture and Agri-food
Liberal MP Mark Eyking said farmers face 35 to 40 per cent price drops because grain remains in bins due to rail backlogs. Parliamentary Secretary Pierre Lemieux said the minister held round tables and invested 1.5 million dollars in long-term solutions.
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NDP MP Libby Davies asked Health Minister Rona Ambrose how many times she had met former Conservative staff now lobbying for tobacco companies. Ambrose said smoking rates had fallen to 16 per cent and she welcomed policy suggestions.
Read the exchangeThe Environment
NDP MP François Choquette cited a report showing underestimated air pollution from the oil sands and called for health impact studies. Parliamentary Secretary Colin Carrie said the government had launched monitoring systems with Alberta and opened an office in Fort McMurray.
Read the exchangeNatural Resources
Conservative MP Chris Warkentin noted the U.S. State Department report found higher greenhouse gas emissions if the pipeline were blocked. Natural Resources Minister Joe Oliver said the report showed opposition would worsen climate change while blocking jobs.
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- deflectedVeterans AffairsThomas Mulcair (NDP) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). loaded question.Answer discusses mental health investments instead of addressing the demand to fire the minister.
That is why we provided record investments into these services and why we always encourage men and women who are former or present serving members and who need any assistance not to be afraid to seek that assistance.
- deflectedVeterans AffairsThomas Mulcair (NDP) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). substantive question.Answer calls the premise false and attacks NDP voting record rather than confirming or restoring the specific cut.
the NDP leader's statement is absolutely false.
- answeredNational DefenceThomas Mulcair (NDP) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). substantive question.Answer directly states that the commissioner reviewed activities and found them lawful.
The commissioner has reviewed all of these activities and has clearly said that these services were acting within the law.
- deflectedNational DefenceThomas Mulcair (NDP) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). substantive question.Answer refuses to discuss the operation and pivots to the commissioner without naming who authorized it.
once again, I do not discuss the activities of our security agencies.
- deflectedNational DefenceThomas Mulcair (NDP) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). loaded question.Answer restates the commissioner's finding instead of addressing whether locations and metadata are protected under law.
my contention is that the commissioner of the Communications Security Establishment, the Hon. Jean-Pierre Plouffe, former judge of the Superior Court of Quebec, continues to examine all of CSEC's activities and has said that they are clearly within Canadian law
- partly answeredDemocratic ReformMr. Justin Trudeau (Liberal) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). loaded question.Answer explains the relocation of the commissioner but does not address the claim of attacking Elections Canada's independence.
What we are doing is making sure that office has full independence and is effectively housed in the director of public prosecutions.
- partly answeredDemocratic ReformMr. Justin Trudeau (Liberal) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). substantive question.Answer claims the commissioner has all required powers but does not confirm whether the specific power to compel testimony was granted.
The amendments that we have proposed will make that office more independent.
- deflectedDemocratic ReformMr. Justin Trudeau (Liberal) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). loaded question.Answer attacks the premise of no consultation and repeats the independence claim without addressing the omitted reform.
of course the premise of that question is completely false.
- deflectedEthicsThomas Mulcair (NDP) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). substantive question.The answer discusses general RCMP authority and government cooperation but never addresses the Brunei request.
The RCMP has the full authority to conduct these investigations and to hold anybody who does not respect the rule of the law responsible.
- deflectedEthicsThomas Mulcair (NDP) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). loaded question.The answer repeats RCMP praise and rule-following statements without addressing the Brazeau appointment question.
We still expect parliamentarians to follow the rules; otherwise, they will suffer the consequences.
- deflectedEthicsThomas Mulcair (NDP) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). substantive question.The answer again highlights RCMP charges and sanctions but does not explain the appointment decisions.
As we have said, we expect all parliamentarians to respect the rules and respect the law, and if they do not, there will be consequences.
- partly answeredEthicsThomas Mulcair (NDP) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). loaded question.The answer directly addresses the premise about multiple residences but still avoids explaining the specific appointments.
it is very common for members of both Houses of Parliament to maintain more than one residence, one in their riding and one in the national capital region.
- answeredDemocratic ReformMr. Craig Scott (NDP) asked Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). loaded question.The answer directly rebuts the consultation claim with a specific date and lists implemented recommendations.
I did meet with the Chief Electoral Officer, on August 22, for about an hour.
- answeredDemocratic ReformMr. Craig Scott (NDP) asked Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). substantive question.The answer directly contrasts the bill's prison penalties with the question's focus on fines.
In fact, the fair elections act would impose prison time for election fraud, which goes much further.
- deflectedDemocratic ReformMs. Nycole Turmel (NDP) asked Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). substantive question.The answer discusses vote integrity and error rates but never addresses the Charter question.
Some identification methods have a significant rate of error, and we will eliminate these methods in order to protect the integrity of the vote.
- deflectedDemocratic ReformMs. Nycole Turmel (NDP) asked Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). substantive question.The answer explains practical voting barriers and new information tools but ignores the advertising prohibition and job-training comparison.
That is why the fair elections act will enable people to vote another day.
- deflectedDemocratic ReformMr. David Christopherson (NDP) asked Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). loaded question.The answer redefines the motion's wording rather than explaining why the bill omits the requested powers.
What it actually says is that the government should give the power to Elections Canada to request documents from political parties.
- misdirectedNational DefenceMs. Joyce Murray (Liberal) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). substantive question.The answer attacks the Liberals' past record and points to a Senate hearing instead of addressing parliamentary scrutiny for CSEC.
it is a bit rich for Liberal members to now complain of an activity of CSEC which they themselves authorized in 2005.
- deflectedDemocratic ReformMr. Scott Simms (Liberal) asked Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). substantive question.The answer praises the former minister and offers general praise for democracy without addressing the meeting or investigative powers.
the former minister of democratic reform did a terrific job.
- deflectedDemocratic ReformStéphane Dion (Liberal) asked Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). loaded question.The answer lists new penalties in the bill but does not address weakening the Chief Electoral Officer or the Federal Court finding.
the fair elections act will protect voters from rogue calls and impersonation.
- answeredNational DefenceMr. Jack Harris (NDP) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). substantive question.The answer directly states that CSEC does not target Canadians and cites the independent review process.
the head of CSEC made it very clear that they respect the privacy of Canadians and that they do not target Canadians.
- partly answeredNational DefenceMs. Élaine Michaud (NDP) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). substantive question.The answer affirms legal compliance but does not explain how airport Wi-Fi metadata collection relates to foreign intelligence.
this organization respects Canadians' privacy and complies with the law.
- deflectedIntergovernmental AffairsMrs. Sadia Groguhé (NDP) asked Candice Bergen (Conservative). substantive question.The answer highlights meetings and flexibilities but ignores the provinces' counter-offer and the eliminated funding.
We have listened to provinces, as well as stakeholders, and we have built a number of flexibilities into the Canada job grant.
- misdirectedIntergovernmental AffairsMs. Peggy Nash (NDP) asked Candice Bergen (Conservative). substantive question.The answer quotes a business leader and attacks the NDP's economic approach instead of addressing the provinces' opposition or opt-out request.
So we're [actually] quite positive about the Canada job grant...and involving the employer in a more fundamental way.
- deflectedThe EnvironmentMr. François Choquette (NDP) asked Mr. Colin Carrie (Conservative). loaded question.Answer promotes government actions then pivots to attack NDP voting record instead of addressing health studies.
The real question is: Why do New Democrats keep voting against our investments for scientific monitoring?
- deflectedThe EnvironmentMs. Linda Duncan (NDP) asked Mr. Colin Carrie (Conservative). substantive question.Answer repeats monitoring claims without addressing CEPA duty or specific health studies requested.
We will continue to work with the Province of Alberta on this world-class research.
- partly answeredThe EnvironmentMr. Peter Julian (NDP) asked Joe Oliver (Conservative). substantive question.Answer acknowledges the delay and outlines new safety measures but does not justify the five-year withholding.
I am troubled by the fact that the National Energy Board did not immediately release the report.
- misdirectedThe EnvironmentMr. Peter Julian (NDP) asked Joe Oliver (Conservative). substantive question.Answer blames NEB error then attacks opposition for not believing in science rather than committing to timely releases.
Frankly, the willingness of the other side to attack this independent group is not the right thing to do because, quite frankly, it does not believe in science.
- deflectedThe EconomyMs. Chrystia Freeland (Liberal) asked Kevin Sorenson (Conservative). loaded question.Answer ignores IMF point and pivots to praising economic plan while mocking the asker's tax platform.
- partly answeredAgriculture and Agri-foodMark Eyking (Liberal) asked Mr. Pierre Lemieux (Conservative). substantive question.Answer describes recent round tables and investments but does not explain why the Prime Minister allowed the backlog to develop.
The minister has held round tables with stakeholders throughout the entire supply chain across the Prairies.
- deflectedHealthMs. Libby Davies (NDP) asked Rona Ambrose (Conservative). substantive question.Answer dismisses lobbyist question and shifts to overall smoking statistics without addressing meetings.
I do not have a lot to say about tobacco lobbyists because I do not really care for them.
- deflectedHealthMr. Alexandre Boulerice (NDP) asked Rona Ambrose (Conservative). loaded question.Answer calls the premise ridiculous and lists anti-smoking actions while avoiding any response on lobbyist influence.
that is a ridiculous accusation.
- misdirectedNatural ResourcesMr. Ted Hsu (Liberal) asked Joe Oliver (Conservative). substantive question.The answer attacks the Liberal Party's supposed intentions rather than addressing federal actions to protect propane users.
It may be that the Liberal Party wants to infringe on provincial jurisdiction, but that is not our view.
- deflectedAgriculture and Agri-foodMr. Malcolm Allen (NDP) asked Mr. Pierre Lemieux (Conservative). substantive question.The answer discusses past policy changes and long-term studies instead of addressing immediate pressure on rail companies.
The minister has been busy holding round tables with stakeholders throughout the entire supply chain, and we recently invested $1.5 million and are working with industry partners to find long-term logistical solutions.
- answeredForeign AffairsMr. Wayne Marston (NDP) asked Lynne Yelich (Conservative). substantive question.The answer directly states the consular steps taken regarding the imprisoned Canadian journalist.
consular officials have been in contact and are providing consular assistance.
- partly answeredDemocratic ReformMr. André Bellavance (Bloc) asked Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). loaded question.The answer explains the bill's donation rules but does not address the premise that it was introduced to protect the government from scandals.
the Fair Elections Act will allow donations of small amounts and will exclude those from the wealthiest.