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Monday, December 2, 2013 · sitting No. 28

Commons debates amendments to Economic Action Plan 2013 Act No. 2

The House devoted the largest share of its sitting to government orders on the Economic Action Plan 2013 Act No. 2. NDP MP Peggy Nash moved Motion No. 1 to delete Clause 1 and later moved additional motions to delete Clauses 14, 59, 73, 80, 81, 113 and 131. Green Party MP Elizabeth May moved to delete Clause 2 while Bloc Québécois MP Louis Plamondon moved motions to delete Clauses 126 through 130 and 132 through 134.

In Question Period NDP Leader Thomas Mulcair pressed the government on the destruction of emails belonging to the Prime Minister's former lawyer Ben Perrin. Conservative MP Pierre Poilievre replied that the Privy Council Office had followed its protocol of deleting accounts of departing employees and had later corrected its information to the RCMP.

The House also heard statements marking the death of Cliff Chadderton and statements on housing, veterans services and privacy concerns raised by several members.

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Who held the floor · 2013-12-02

Government (Conservative)OppositionOver the day: government 40%, opposition 60% of the words spokenPrivate membersGovernment businessRoutine proceedingsGovernment business▲ Government side held the floor▼ Opposition held the floorOpened 11:0512:0013:0014:0015:0016:0017:00Last speech 18:25Time of day, Ottawa · the House sat 7 h 20 min · each dot is a stretch of debate, placed at the minute it began
36Deflections Outpace One Bill's Slow StartThe sitting devoted substantial time to the Economic Action Plan bill yet recorded no votes and advanced only a single introduction. Question period produced mostly deflected answers amid repeated calls to order.AI-rated Score out of 100; the verdict and the answer ratings behind it are a model’s reading. How the AI rates this

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Other moments

Champlain Bridge

NDP MP Hoang Mai asked Infrastructure Minister Denis Lebel how the government would shorten the timeline for a new Champlain Bridge after years of underinvestment. Lebel replied that weekend work installing a superbeam had restored normal traffic and that $380 million had already been spent on maintenance.

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Veterans Affairs

Conservative MP Steven Fletcher asked Veterans Affairs Minister Julian Fantino to recognize the contributions of Cliff Chadderton. Fantino highlighted Chadderton's service as chief executive officer of The War Amps and as a D-Day veteran.

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Privacy

NDP MP Randall Garrison raised the case of a constituent denied U.S. entry because of past hospitalization details that appeared in an American database. Conservative MP Eve Adams said health information is a provincial responsibility and the government respects privacy.

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Aviation Security

NDP MP Olivia Chow questioned Transport Minister Lisa Raitt on a proposal to reduce flight attendants on Sunwing aircraft. Raitt said the one-to-fifty ratio matches standards used in the United States and Europe and is under litigation.

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National Defense

NDP MP Rosane Doré Lefebvre asked National Defence Minister Rob Nicholson whether Canada authorized U.S. surveillance during the G8 and G20 summits. Nicholson replied that Communications Security Establishment Canada is prohibited from targeting Canadians and cannot ask partners to circumvent Canadian law.

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Question Period, exchange by exchange

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  1. deflected
    EthicsThomas Mulcair (NDP) asked Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). loaded question.Answer quotes a letter explaining events but avoids addressing why the story changed.In response to that request, we advised PMO, who we understand informed the RCMP, that Mr. Perrin's emails had been deleted from the server and were no longer available.
  2. deflected
    EthicsThomas Mulcair (NDP) asked Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). loaded question.Answer admits inability to answer the specific question and redirects to reading the letter.I am neither a litigator nor a litigant, so I cannot answer that question.
  3. partly answered
    EthicsThomas Mulcair (NDP) asked Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). loaded question.Answer provides protocol explanation for deletion but does not address how emails disappeared while retained for litigation.It is the operating protocol of the [Privy Council Office] to close and delete email accounts of departing employees of the PCO and the PMO as a mattter of course.
  4. misdirected
    EthicsThomas Mulcair (NDP) asked Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). loaded question.Answer calls the question counter-factual and quotes RCMP document instead of addressing withholding of emails.the member's question is, once again, counter-factual.
  5. deflected
    EthicsThomas Mulcair (NDP) asked Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). loaded question.Answer directs to reading the letter for timeline but does not explain how emails were found after deletion claim.on November 29, 2013 we found that Mr. Perrin's emails had in fact been retained due to a litigation hold in an unrelated matter.
  6. deflected
    EthicsDominic LeBlanc (Liberal) asked Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). loaded question.Answer quotes letter on discovery timing but ignores assurance request about staff access or alteration.as this letter from the independent, non-partisan Privy Council Office indicates, the Prime Minister's Office just learned of the continued existence of these emails.
  7. deflected
    EthicsDominic LeBlanc (Liberal) asked Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). loaded question.Answer quotes apology from PCO but does not confirm no access or alteration by PMO staff.We regret that we previously failed, even if inadvertently, to accurately inform you and the PMO about the availability of Mr. Perrin's emails.
  8. answered
    EthicsDominic LeBlanc (Liberal) asked Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). loaded question.Answer directly responds to the question about waiting for a trial with a single-word denial.
  9. deflected
    EthicsMs. Chris Charlton (NDP) asked Mr. Paul Calandra (Conservative). loaded question.Answer avoids the specific question about consequences for the senator by deferring to the RCMP investigation.I trust that the RCMP will do the job Canadians expect it to do.
  10. deflected
    EthicsMs. Chris Charlton (NDP) asked Mr. Paul Calandra (Conservative). loaded question.Response sidesteps consequences for the senator by restating general parliamentary responsibility and RCMP role.each of us as parliamentarians, whether we are in the House of Commons or elevated to the Senate, is in charge of making our own decisions with respect to the files that we handle.
  11. misdirected
    EthicsMs. Lysane Blanchette-Lamothe (NDP) asked Mr. Paul Calandra (Conservative). loaded question.Answer redirects focus to Wright and Duffy instead of addressing consequences for Senator Stewart Olsen.the RCMP has identified Nigel Wright and Senator Duffy as the main subjects of this current investigation.
  12. deflected
    EthicsMs. Lysane Blanchette-Lamothe (NDP) asked Mr. Paul Calandra (Conservative). loaded question.Response evades the comparison of behavior by reiterating RCMP focus on Duffy and Wright.Senator Duffy and Nigel Wright are the main focus of the investigation right now, and we trust that the RCMP will continue its work.
  13. misdirected
    EthicsMs. Ève Péclet (NDP) asked Mr. Paul Calandra (Conservative). loaded question.Answer attacks the opposition leader's past actions rather than addressing Senator Gerstein's alleged statements.It is the exact same standard the Leader of the Opposition seemed to have used when he asked his party to pay his legal expenses, unlike our side.
  14. deflected
    EthicsMs. Ève Péclet (NDP) asked Mr. Paul Calandra (Conservative). loaded question.Response claims lack of knowledge and pivots away from the question about Senator Gerstein's calls.of course, I would not have any information with respect to how many times Senator Duffy called.
  15. deflected
    EthicsMr. Charlie Angus (NDP) asked Mr. Paul Calandra (Conservative). substantive question.Answer avoids the timing question by emphasizing cooperation instead of providing details on the Prime Minister's contact.what is very clear also, again today, is the level of co-operation the Prime Minister's Office is providing to the RCMP.
  16. deflected
    EthicsMr. Charlie Angus (NDP) asked Mr. Paul Calandra (Conservative). loaded question.Response explains the email error but does not address the policy accusation about disappearing emails.There are of course Treasury Board guidelines in place that govern how emails are handled when employees leave.
  17. answered
    EthicsMr. Charlie Angus (NDP) asked Mr. Paul Calandra (Conservative). substantive question.The answer directly states the circumstances of Ben Perrin's departure from the PMO.it is my understanding that Ben Perrin left the Prime Minister 's Office to seek a career as a professor at, I believe, the University of British Columbia.
  18. deflected
    EthicsMs. Judy Foote (Liberal) asked Mr. Paul Calandra (Conservative). substantive question.The response avoids committing to supporting the call for testimony by deferring to the Senate.the Senate is in control of its own affairs and will do what it deems important.
  19. misdirected
    EthicsMr. David McGuinty (Liberal) asked Mr. Paul Calandra (Conservative). substantive question.It redirects focus to the existing investigation subjects rather than addressing the request for investigation into specific people.the RCMP had been investigating this matter for some months now.
  20. deflected
    Champlain BridgeMr. Hoang Mai (NDP) asked Denis Lebel (Conservative). substantive question.The answer criticizes the opposition's vote instead of explaining the timeline reduction.They voted against all that money. It is irresponsible.
  21. deflected
    Champlain BridgeMr. Hoang Mai (NDP) asked Denis Lebel (Conservative). substantive question.Avoids confirming about tendering by focusing on voting record and importance of current bridge.that hon. member just said that they voted against money for maintaining the current bridge because there was no money for the new bridge.
  22. partly answered
    Champlain BridgeMs. Olivia Chow (NDP) asked Denis Lebel (Conservative). substantive question.Addresses the priority of safety over new bridge but does not specify funding location or timeline.We considered it was more important for the moment to keep the bridge safe and we have done so with the JCCBI Corporation
  23. partly answered
    Aviation SecurityMs. Olivia Chow (NDP) asked Lisa Raitt (Conservative). substantive question.Provides context on the standard but declines further comment citing litigation.in this case, there is outstanding litigation and as such we cannot comment any further.
  24. deflected
    National DefenseMs. Rosane Doré Lefebvre (NDP) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). substantive question.States general prohibitions but avoids addressing the specific authorization query.this organization is prohibited from targeting Canadians.
  25. partly answered
    National DefenseMr. Randall Garrison (NDP) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). loaded question.The answer addresses oversight but ignores the core allegation about allowing US spying and the call for greater oversight.there is oversight of CSEC. There is an independent commissioner.
  26. deflected
    PrivacyMr. Randall Garrison (NDP) asked Ms. Eve Adams (Conservative). substantive question.The answer gives a general assurance on privacy without explaining how the US agent obtained the information.our government takes very seriously the privacy and confidentiality of all Canadians' health information.
  27. deflected
    PrivacyMr. Mike Sullivan (NDP) asked Ms. Eve Adams (Conservative). substantive question.The answer notes lack of case details and shifts responsibility to provinces instead of addressing federal sharing with the US.health information obviously is a provincial responsibility and our government does very much respect the privacy and confidentiality of Canadians' health records.
  28. deflected
    Veterans AffairsJim Karygiannis (Liberal) asked Julian Fantino (Conservative). substantive question.The answer lists services while accusing the asker of scare tactics rather than addressing centre closures and case manager shortages.While the member opposite engages in scare tactics, we will continue to deliver services and support our veterans no matter where they live and will do that ongoing.
  29. deflected
    HealthHedy Fry (Liberal) asked Ms. Eve Adams (Conservative). substantive question.The answer highlights unrelated funding announcements instead of addressing refusal to meet or promote treatment as prevention.last week we made a $10-million announcement to invest in a cure for AIDS.
  30. deflected
    PrivacyMs. Charmaine Borg (NDP) asked Tony Clement (Conservative). loaded question.The answer notes public nature of posts but avoids the question on whether monitoring is the best use of resources.anything posted on Facebook or Twitter is public information.
  31. deflected
    PrivacyMr. Dan Harris (NDP) asked Tony Clement (Conservative). loaded question.The answer promotes dialogue on social media but sidesteps concerns about monitoring and the enemies list.The whole point of social media is to engage in a dialogue with citizens, and that means better public policies in the end.
  32. partly answered
    National DefenceWayne Easter (Liberal) asked Rob Nicholson (Conservative). loaded question.The answer confirms the existing watchdog and its reports but does not address the call for a parliamentary oversight committee.there already is an independent watchdog, the commissioner of the Communications Security Establishment, who has access to all the documents related to the operations of the agency and its personnel.
  33. deflected
    Quebec BridgeMr. Denis Blanchette (NDP) asked Lisa Raitt (Conservative). substantive question.Answer discusses litigation instead of providing requested information on bridge condition.That litigation is currently under way, and we are demanding that CN fully restore this bridge.
  34. misdirected
    Employment InsuranceMr. Robert Aubin (NDP) asked Jason Kenney (Conservative). substantive question.Answer dismisses the question as nonsense and pivots to general EI benefits without addressing accountability.frankly that question makes no sense at all.
  35. answered
    Air TransportationMr. Louis Plamondon (Bloc) asked Lisa Raitt (Conservative). loaded question.Answer directly compares the two cases and explains the identical consultation process used.in both of these cases the exact same process and procedure was followed, and that was to consult with the local municipality or the local government with respect to the proposed aerodrome.
  36. deflected
    Intergovernmental RelationsMr. Louis Plamondon (Bloc) asked Jason Kenney (Conservative). substantive question.Answer promotes the housing-first model but ignores the request to grant Quebec flexibility.the housing-first approach is a successful, evidence-based model.
  37. partly answered
    TaxationMr. Bruce Hyer (Independent) asked Kevin Sorenson (Conservative). loaded question.Answer cites past tax reductions for small business but does not address future plans or middle-class taxes.since 2006, we have lowered the average small business tax bill by over $28,000, or over 30%.