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Thursday, February 28, 2013 · sitting No. 216

RCMP accountability bill advances at third reading as NDP urges civilian oversight

The House spent the largest share of its time on third reading debate of Bill C-42, the Enhancing Royal Canadian Mounted Police Accountability Act. New Democrat MP Matthew Kellway told the House that the legislation fails to change the force's culture because it relies on punishment rather than independent civilian oversight. Conservative MP David Wilks, a former RCMP officer, said the bill finally gives the commissioner authority to dismiss members for misconduct.

In Question Period, NDP Leader Thomas Mulcair pressed the government on Senate expenses and demanded a full independent audit of all senators' residency and travel claims. Conservative MP John Baird replied that the Senate has already retained outside support and accused the NDP of blocking legislation for elected senators and term limits.

Liberal MP Bob Rae questioned how Arthur Porter received his security clearance for the Security Intelligence Review Committee and said opposition parties lack the tools to conduct proper vetting. Public Safety Minister Vic Toews said the leaders of both opposition parties had been consulted and consented to the appointment.

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Who held the floor · 2013-02-28

Government (Conservative)OppositionOver the day: government 26%, opposition 74% of the words spokenGovernment businessQuestion PeriodGovernment business▲ Government side held the floor▼ Opposition held the floorOpened 10:0511:0012:0013:0014:0015:0016:0017:00Last speech 18:20Time of day, Ottawa · the House sat 8 h 15 min · each dot is a stretch of debate, placed at the minute it began
29Another sitting that went nowhereThe sitting focused on extended debate over the RCMP accountability bill and other topics, yet no bills advanced and no votes were held. Question period produced mostly deflected or misdirected answers amid several points of order.AI-rated Score out of 100; the verdict and the answer ratings behind it are a model’s reading. How the AI rates this

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Other moments

National Defence

New Democrat MP Matthew Kellway asked who would take responsibility for a further $1.5 billion overrun on joint support ships, noting repeated procurement delays. Defence Minister Rona Ambrose said independent oversight by First Marine International and KPMG would ensure costs and schedules are validated at every step.

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Employment Insurance

New Democrat MP Anne-Marie Day said daily protests show workers reject the government's EI changes and asked how many demonstrations would be needed before the minister reconsidered. Conservative MP John Baird replied that the measures protect the integrity of the system and save workers hundreds of millions of dollars.

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Rail Transportation

New Democrat MP Robert Aubin asked how many additional routes would be eliminated after the government cut another $290 million from VIA Rail. Conservative MP Pierre Poilievre said VIA must balance service with its status as a Crown corporation funded by taxpayers.

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Food Safety

Liberal MP Frank Valeriote noted two major food safety failures under the agriculture minister and asked why ad spending rose while food safety and biosecurity budgets were cut. Agriculture Minister Gerry Ritz said the government would never apologize for due diligence and continues to add capacity at the CFIA.

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Question Period, exchange by exchange

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  1. deflected
    EthicsThomas Mulcair (NDP) asked John Baird (Conservative). loaded question.The answer restates commitment without addressing the call for independent investigation.We take these issues tremendously seriously and that is why the Senate has retained outside support to ensure that the integrity of the system is respected.
  2. deflected
    EthicsThomas Mulcair (NDP) asked John Baird (Conservative). loaded question.Shifts to criticizing NDP instead of answering about investigation.What did the leader of the NDP do? He blocked it. He stopped this legislation from moving forward, and that is a disgrace to taxpayers.
  3. misdirected
    National DefenceThomas Mulcair (NDP) asked John Baird (Conservative). loaded question.Turns to attacking the NDP leader's actions instead of addressing ship spending.The leader of the NDP claimed that he wanted to abolish the Senate, but just yesterday in the House he proposed a private member's bill giving the Senate new and unprecedented power.
  4. answered
    National DefenceMr. Matthew Kellway (NDP) asked Rona Ambrose (Conservative). substantive question.Provides details on independent oversight for the procurement.our national shipbuilding procurement strategy has employed rigorous independent oversight and shipbuilding expertise from the start.
  5. partly answered
    National DefenceMr. Matthew Kellway (NDP) asked Rona Ambrose (Conservative). substantive question.Focuses on oversight without specifying capabilities or confirming costs.we have ensured not only that we have rigorous, independent oversight when it comes to costing but also that we are bringing in important shipbuilding expertise.
  6. deflected
    National DefenceBob Rae (Liberal) asked Rona Ambrose (Conservative). substantive question.Uses PBO's own words to deflect from choosing between options.the Parliamentary Budget Officer himself stated in his report that his "high-level cost estimates and observations are neither to be viewed as conclusions...nor as a view to future costs".
  7. deflected
    National DefenceBob Rae (Liberal) asked Rona Ambrose (Conservative). substantive question.Describes process without answering the binary choice posed.if any adjustments need to be made, they will be made with the shipbuilding secretariat in partnership with the shipyards and the navy and the Coast Guard.
  8. misdirected
    Public SafetyBob Rae (Liberal) asked Vic Toews (Conservative). substantive question.Blames the questioner instead of explaining the clearances.If there were any concerns that he had, he could have brought them to the attention of the appropriate authorities and simply asked the question. He failed in his responsibility.
  9. deflected
    National DefenceMs. Christine Moore (NDP) asked Rona Ambrose (Conservative). substantive question.The answer avoids the specific issue of delays and mismanagement by reiterating the strategy's oversight.We have brought in the expertise and the capacity we need to oversee this strategy to ensure it remains successful.
  10. deflected
    National DefenceMr. Jack Harris (NDP) asked Rona Ambrose (Conservative). substantive question.Avoids addressing delays and responsibility by focusing on oversight measures.We also have an independent third party that has expertise in shipbuilding and will be giving advice on the project management and cost validation for every step of every ship project moving forward.
  11. misdirected
    Public SafetyMr. Randall Garrison (NDP) asked Vic Toews (Conservative). substantive question.The response attacks the questioner's record instead of addressing the funding for police services.I find it interesting that the member is talking about improving safety for aboriginals. That member opposed matrimonial real property rights for aboriginal women, he opposed tougher sentences for sexual assault, he opposed ending house arrest for serious crimes, he opposed tougher penalties for those who sell drugs to our children and he opposed funding to keep our young people out of gangs.
  12. partly answered
    Public SafetyMr. Romeo Saganash (NDP) asked Vic Toews (Conservative). substantive question.Provides some information on future decision but does not specify timing or commitment.As has been indicated by the Prime Minister , a funding decision will be made in the near future.
  13. deflected
    Employment InsuranceMrs. Anne-Marie Day (NDP) asked John Baird (Conservative). rhetorical question.The answer shifts to general principles without addressing the protests or reform concerns.We are working to ensure that Canadians who have worked hard and paid the premiums get the benefits they need when they need them.
  14. deflected
    Employment InsuranceMr. Jean Rousseau (NDP) asked John Baird (Conservative). substantive question.Focuses on job creation and supports rather than EI reform impacts on seasonal businesses.Under the economic leadership of the Prime Minister and the Minister of Finance we have seen the creation of some 900,000 net new jobs.
  15. partly answered
    Employment InsuranceMr. Jonathan Genest-Jourdain (NDP) asked John Baird (Conservative). substantive question.Offers general support but avoids specifics of the denial or reform issues.We have a substantial number of well-qualified public servants who are prepared to provide support and help Canadians achieve and obtain the benefits they have paid for.
  16. deflected
    Employment InsuranceMs. Linda Duncan (NDP) asked John Baird (Conservative). substantive question.The response sarcastically references a past consultation without addressing the current one or agricultural concerns.the last time this government and this party consulted rural Canada with a widespread consultation, it was a record bumper crop.
  17. deflected
    Employment InsuranceMs. Chris Charlton (NDP) asked John Baird (Conservative). loaded question.Answer denies quotas but sidesteps fairness and premise of prejudgment by restating general policy.Service Canada employees do not have quotas which would carry negative consequences for staff who fail to meet them.
  18. deflected
    National DefenceJohn McKay (Liberal) asked Rona Ambrose (Conservative). loaded question.Answer promotes oversight measures without addressing the specific procurement shortfall or incompetence claim.our 20-year national shipbuilding procurement strategy, very importantly, has the proper independent oversight and shipbuilding expertise that we believe is necessary to make it successful over the coming decades.
  19. deflected
    National DefenceJohn McKay (Liberal) asked Rona Ambrose (Conservative). substantive question.Answer acknowledges engagement with PBO but pivots to listing experts instead of committing to formal engagement.my office does engage with the PBO, but again, the important thing is that we have included, right from the beginning, and let us remember that this process was launched just a year ago, the independent oversight necessary and the expertise in shipbuilding necessary to make this strategy over the coming decades successful.
  20. deflected
    National DefenceDenis Coderre (Liberal) asked Rona Ambrose (Conservative). loaded question.Answer emphasizes experts and design phase without answering bigger budget or fewer ships choice.as I said, we have independent third parties in place.
  21. misdirected
    EthicsMr. Charlie Angus (NDP) asked Mr. David Anderson (Conservative). loaded question.Answer ignores the question entirely and attacks with an unrelated insult.
  22. misdirected
    EthicsMr. Charlie Angus (NDP) asked Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). substantive question.Answer attacks the asker on boundaries instead of addressing senator residency and accountability.What has not been answered from the gerrymanderer-in-chief over there is why he and only his NDP colleague have been singled out by an independent electoral commission for inappropriate behaviour as it relates to the boundaries.
  23. misdirected
    EthicsMr. Charlie Angus (NDP) asked Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). substantive question.Answer deflects by accusing the asker of rule-breaking rather than addressing senator expense fraud.Once again, the member failed to address the question before the House of Commons, which is why it is that he was singled out, in a very unusual step by an independent electoral commission, for inappropriate behaviour.
  24. misdirected
    EthicsMr. Alexandre Boulerice (NDP) asked Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). substantive question.Answer attacks NDP affiliations instead of responding to Senate residency and expense abuse.The NDP interim leader was a member of the Bloc Québécois.
  25. misdirected
    EthicsMr. Alexandre Boulerice (NDP) asked Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). loaded question.The answer ignores the appointment question entirely and instead attacks the asker on federalism.that member has been asked almost as many times if he is a federalist as he has donated to the separatist Québec Solidaire.
  26. partly answered
    EmploymentMs. Isabelle Morin (NDP) asked Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). substantive question.The answer addresses pilot qualifications and safety review but does not explain authorization numbers or job exports.Foreign pilots, like Canadian pilots, must go through a rigorous selection process to ensure that they have the necessary qualifications.
  27. deflected
    Rail TransportationMr. Robert Aubin (NDP) asked Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). substantive question.The answer discusses balancing service and taxpayer costs without stating how many routes will be cut.VIA Rail has made decisions in order to save money and protect taxpayers while still providing excellent service to Canadians.
  28. misdirected
    Rail TransportationMr. Guy Caron (NDP) asked Steven Fletcher (Conservative). loaded question.The answer rebuts the premise by citing past investments and voting record rather than addressing ongoing cuts.Our government has invested over $1 billion in VIA Rail to renovate trains, improve accessibility and upgrade tracks and stations.
  29. misdirected
    Public SafetyCarolyn Bennett (Liberal) asked Vic Toews (Conservative). loaded question.The answer pivots to attacking the asker's record on aboriginal and crime issues instead of addressing funding cuts.She is simply not telling Canadians where she stands on matters such as her opposition to matrimonial real property rights for aboriginal women.
  30. deflected
    Food SafetyMr. Frank Valeriote (Liberal) asked Gerry Ritz (Conservative). loaded question.The answer emphasizes due diligence and provincial negotiations without explaining the ad budget increase versus food safety cuts.We explained that signatures are required from our partners in the provinces and territories.
  31. deflected
    Rail TransportationMr. Malcolm Allen (NDP) asked Steven Fletcher (Conservative). substantive question.The answer notes VIA's arm's-length status and demand-supply matching but avoids any commitment on restoring funding.The idea of meeting demand and supply is foreign to the NDP, but VIA is doing the best it can and is matching demand with supply.
  32. misdirected
    Rail TransportationMr. Wayne Marston (NDP) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). loaded question.The answer shifts to Senate reform legislation and opposition tactics instead of addressing VIA funding or high-speed rail.We had a bill to make senators elected. Opposition members keep opposing it.
  33. deflected
    Employment InsuranceStéphane Dion (Liberal) asked John Baird (Conservative). substantive question.The answer ignores the EI reform question entirely and pivots to an unrelated carbon tax attack.if only the hon. member had listened to all those chambers of commerce when they spoke out so loudly and clearly against his plan to impose a huge carbon tax on Canadians
  34. misdirected
    EmploymentMr. Andrew Cash (NDP) asked John Baird (Conservative). substantive question.The answer attacks the questioner personally instead of addressing part-time job issues for young workers.I know the member opposite has a lot of experience in having a part-time job.
  35. answered
    Canada Revenue AgencyMr. Tyrone Benskin (NDP) asked Gail Shea (Conservative). substantive question.The answer directly explains how seniors can still obtain paper tax forms despite the policy change.They can pick up their tax forms at any Service Canada or local post office.
  36. answered
    Airline SafetyMr. Mike Sullivan (NDP) asked Steven Fletcher (Conservative). substantive question.The answer addresses pilot qualifications, safety record, and ongoing policy review.Foreign pilots, just like Canadian pilots, go through a rigorous selection process in order to ensure that they are fully qualified.
  37. deflected
    Rail TransportationMr. Bruce Hyer (Independent) asked Steven Fletcher (Conservative). substantive question.The answer defends past investments but avoids naming any specific services to be cut.Since this government has taken office, we have invested almost $1 billion in VIA Rail for new cars so that they could be made accessible.
  38. partly answered
    Business of the HouseMr. Nathan Cullen (NDP) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.The answer outlines some upcoming bills but deflects the Senate bill question by accusing the opposition of delay.this afternoon we will continue debating third reading of Bill C-42