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Wednesday, May 2, 2012 · sitting No. 115
Commons opens debate on budget bill amid dispute over text versions
The House spent the largest share of the sitting on second reading of the Jobs, Growth and Long-term Prosperity Act. Liberal MP Scott Brison raised a point of order that opposition members had received two versions of Bill C-38, one with 421 pages and one with 425 pages. Government House leader Peter Van Loan said the official bill tabled with Journals includes a table of contents and that the versions are identical in substance.
New Democratic Party leader Thomas Mulcair pressed the Prime Minister on the grant of permanent residency to Conrad Black while the British citizen remained in a U.S. jail. Prime Minister Stephen Harper replied that the decision was taken by public servants under the law and rejected suggestions of political interference.
Liberal leader Bob Rae questioned whether the government accepts all findings of the Auditor General on F-35 costs after a deputy minister appeared to dispute one conclusion. Prime Minister Harper said the government accepts the report and will re-examine the figures before Parliament.
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Ministerial Expenditures
New Democratic MP Charlie Angus criticized ministers for spending more than $600,000 on standby limousine drivers while services are cut elsewhere. Treasury Board president Tony Clement replied that ministers work long hours and that overtime follows collective agreements.
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New Democratic MP Mathieu Ravignat asked the government to give Elections Canada more powers after a U.S. Republican ex-convict praised the alleged Canadian voter-suppression operation. Conservative MP Pierre Poilievre said the NDP should apologize for repeating false allegations.
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New Democratic MP Megan Leslie said the government is selling national parks and privatizing hot springs in Banff, Jasper and Radium after cutting 1,600 jobs. Environment minister Peter Kent replied that private operators will run facilities more efficiently.
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Liberal MP Judy Sgro accused the government of breaking its promise not to change old age security. Human Resources minister Diane Finley said anyone now receiving OAS or aged 55 and older will see no change and that the shift to age 67 begins only in 2023.
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Liberal MP Carolyn Bennett asked the Prime Minister to apologize for an internal document that described First Nations as adversaries on oil-sands issues. Parliamentary secretary Greg Rickford said the government takes its duty to consult seriously and monitors environmental impacts with affected groups.
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- misdirectedCitizenship and ImmigrationMr. Thomas Mulcair (NDP) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). loaded question.The answer attacks the questioner for alleged bias against public servants rather than addressing the claim of preferential treatment.
The leader of the NDP yesterday and again today is suggesting that public servants are taking decisions in these matters that are biased, prejudiced and even racist.
- deflectedCitizenship and ImmigrationMr. Thomas Mulcair (NDP) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). loaded question.The answer defends the process and invites law changes but avoids confirming or denying special treatment for Black.
There has been no involvement of anyone on the political side of government in this.
- deflectedMinisterial ExpendituresMr. Thomas Mulcair (NDP) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). loaded question.The answer shifts to economic performance and ignores all listed scandals and limousine costs.
the reality is that our government was re-elected because the Canadian economy is the envy of the world.
- partly answeredMinisterial ExpendituresMr. Charlie Angus (NDP) asked Tony Clement (Conservative). substantive question.The answer justifies overtime via collective agreements but does not address the scale of limousine spending or cuts elsewhere.
In this case our ministers are working long hours for the economy, long hours for jobs, long hours for the people of Canada.
- misdirectedMinisterial ExpendituresMr. Charlie Angus (NDP) asked Tony Clement (Conservative). loaded question.The answer disputes the overtime figure and demands an apology instead of addressing entitlement or spending restraint.
The last time he threw allegations at me, you, Mr. Speaker, found no cause for that.
- answeredNational DefenceBob Rae (Liberal) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). substantive question.The answer directly rejects the premise that the deputy minister contradicted the government's acceptance of the Auditor General's report.
The deputy minister was very clear in his overall comments that, like the government, he accepts the conclusions of the report.
- answeredNational DefenceBob Rae (Liberal) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). substantive question.The answer affirms acceptance of the Auditor General's conclusions and outlines next steps on the fighter jet costs.
The government and the departments in question have accepted the conclusions of that report.
- partly answeredNational DefenceBob Rae (Liberal) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). substantive question.The answer commits to re-examining numbers and sharing results but does not identify who is responsible for misleading Parliament.
the Auditor General called into question some of the Department of National Defence's numbers, and this government has made a commitment to re-examine these issues
- deflectedMinisterial ExpendituresMr. Alexandre Boulerice (NDP) asked Tony Clement (Conservative). rhetorical question.The answer shifts to general cost management and collective agreements without addressing the specific limo standby claims.
as I already said, we are constantly looking for ways to manage government at a reasonable cost to taxpayers.
- deflectedMinisterial ExpendituresMr. Alexandre Boulerice (NDP) asked Tony Clement (Conservative). rhetorical question.The answer offers to consider suggestions but avoids explaining the specific $40,000 expenditure.
If the members opposite, including the Leader of the Opposition and his driver, have suggestions, we will take them into consideration provided they are reasonable and fair.
- misdirected41st General ElectionMr. Mathieu Ravignat (NDP) asked Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). loaded question.The answer attacks the NDP for past statements instead of addressing the request for more investigative powers.
I thought he was going to apologize on behalf of his party.
- misdirected41st General ElectionMr. Mathieu Ravignat (NDP) asked Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). loaded question.The answer again demands an apology and labels the claims false rather than responding to the coordination question.
I encourage the next New Democrat who rises in this place to acknowledge what the member from Winnipeg in the New Democratic Party has already been forced to acknowledge
- partly answeredStatus of WomenMs. Niki Ashton (NDP) asked Mrs. Susan Truppe (Conservative). substantive question.The answer addresses funding levels but ignores the abortion debate and aboriginal women promises.
Since 2007, we have approved more than $42 million in projects designed to help end violence against women and girls.
- deflectedStatus of WomenMs. Niki Ashton (NDP) asked Mrs. Susan Truppe (Conservative). loaded question.The answer repeats funding figures without engaging pay equity, OAS cuts or the abortion motion.
Since 2007, we have approved more than $42 million in projects designed to help end violence against women and girls.
- answeredCitizenship and ImmigrationMs. Jinny Jogindera Sims (NDP) asked Jason Kenney (Conservative). substantive question.The answer directly explains the legal basis and process for both Black and Galloway cases.
it is a matter of public record that Mr. Galloway received a preliminary assessment of inadmissibility from the immigration program manager in London, based primarily on his having given tens of thousands of dollars in cash to Ismail Haniyeh
- answeredCitizenship and ImmigrationMs. Jinny Jogindera Sims (NDP) asked Jason Kenney (Conservative). substantive question.The answer explains the TRP application process and equal criteria applied to all applicants including Black.
Every foreign national who is inadmissible can make an application.
- deflectedCitizenship and ImmigrationMrs. Sadia Groguhé (NDP) asked Jason Kenney (Conservative). loaded question.The answer avoids the specific cases raised and instead questions the NDP's hypothetical policy stance.
I therefore do not understand the NDP's position.
- misdirectedEthicsWayne Easter (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). rhetorical question.The question is a broad rhetorical attack on multiple ministers rather than a specific query, and the answer counters by attacking the Liberal record instead.
It takes some courage for him to rise and even pose a question like that.
- misdirectedEthicsMr. Marc Garneau (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). rhetorical question.The question rhetorically attacks the Prime Minister on ethics without seeking specific information, and the answer pivots to past Liberal record and current economic focus.
It is one of the reasons why Canadians elected a Conservative government.
- partly answeredThe EnvironmentMs. Kirsty Duncan (Liberal) asked Peter Kent (Conservative). loaded question.The question embeds a premise of electoral fraud and gutting regulations, and the answer addresses environmental actions but ignores the fraud claim.
this government is getting things done.
- deflectedNational DefenceMr. Jack Harris (NDP) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.The question directly asks for confirmation on cabinet knowledge of costs, but the answer criticizes the member and restates general oversight without confirming.
this member is becoming quite adept at putting inaccurate information before the House of Commons.
- deflectedNational DefenceMr. Jack Harris (NDP) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.The question seeks confirmation on use of two sets of figures, and the answer restates acceptance of the Auditor General report without addressing the specific figures.
We accept the recommendation of the Auditor General.
- deflectedNational DefenceMs. Christine Moore (NDP) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.The question assumes duplicity on F-35 options, and the answer repeats acceptance of the Auditor General without resolving the contradiction raised.
Our government has clearly accepted the Auditor General's recommendation.
- deflectedNational DefenceMr. Matthew Kellway (NDP) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.The question assumes government contradictions on F-35 options, and the answer emphasizes oversight and recommendations without clarifying the departments' positions.
we have received a very specific recommendation from the Auditor General.
- deflectedNational ParksMs. Megan Leslie (NDP) asked Peter Kent (Conservative). loaded question.Answer corrects numbers and justifies privatization without addressing the heritage question.
Parks Canada is not responsible for operating hotels, golf courses or swimming pools.
- deflectedNational ParksMs. Megan Leslie (NDP) asked Peter Kent (Conservative). loaded question.Answer restates policy on private sector without addressing privatization or sale concerns.
In national parks where we have facilities like golf courses, swimming pools or hotels, these services are much better provided by the private sector and we will continue to operate exactly that way.
- deflectedFisheries and OceansMr. Robert Chisholm (NDP) asked Keith Ashfield (Conservative). loaded question.Answer ignores the quote and job criticism to list unrelated improvements.
There are massive improvements to the act that the opposition is blatantly ignoring.
- deflectedFisheries and OceansMr. Fin Donnelly (NDP) asked Keith Ashfield (Conservative). loaded question.Answer claims support for the commission but avoids why protections are being changed.
We support the work of the Cohen Commission.
- misdirected41st General ElectionRalph Goodale (Liberal) asked Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). loaded question.Answer attacks a Liberal colleague instead of addressing CIMS database use.
I think he reaches about four rows behind the hon. member, to his colleague from Guelph who was first caught and then had to admit that he sent out false autodials to his constituents with fake phone numbers and fake identifications.
- deflectedPensionsJudy Sgro (Liberal) asked Diane Finley (Conservative). loaded question.Answer denies cuts but does not address when the Prime Minister knew of the change.
There are no reductions to seniors' pensions.
- deflectedPensionsMs. Lysane Blanchette-Lamothe (NDP) asked Diane Finley (Conservative). loaded question.Answer repeats eligibility details without addressing targeting of vulnerable seniors.
We are going to increase the age of eligibility from 65 to 67, but this change will be made gradually and will only start being introduced in 2023.
- misdirectedPensionsMs. Irene Mathyssen (NDP) asked Diane Finley (Conservative). loaded question.Answer ends by attacking NDP voting record instead of addressing OAS changes.
Why does the NDP keep voting against every single item on the long list of things we do to help seniors?
- deflectedAtlantic CanadaMark Eyking (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). rhetorical question.The answer ignores listed job cuts and pivots to unrelated shipbuilding investments while mocking the question.
I think the member is way off tune.
- misdirectedVeterans AffairsMr. Peter Stoffer (NDP) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.The answer attacks the member's voting record instead of addressing the court ruling or settlement request.
This is a member whom we have seen consistently, throughout his entire career, vote against every single measure that has been taken by this government and previous governments to make the lives of veterans, members of the forces and their families better.
- answeredRegional Economic DevelopmentMr. François Lapointe (NDP) asked Mr. Jacques Gourde (Conservative). substantive question.The answer directly explains the one-year agreement term and clarifies funding delivery under a separate accord.
in 2011-12, we signed an agreement with the Centre d'aide aux entreprises de Montmagny-L'Islet, which clearly stated that the agreement would be in effect for one year.
- deflectedConsumer ProtectionMr. Louis Plamondon (Bloc) asked Christian Paradis (Conservative). substantive question.The answer changes the subject to unrelated resolved issues and Senate reform rather than addressing the letter or bank exemption.
it is odd to hear this type of question, particularly when we know that two historic issues were resolved over the past year: that of Old Harry, the offshore oil reserve, and that of sales tax harmonization, which was dragging on for 10 years.