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Thursday, December 8, 2011 · sitting No. 63

Commons debates Senate reform bill amid border and wheat board clashes

The House spent the largest share of its time on debate of the Senate Reform Act at the government orders stage. Members discussed provincial consultation methods, Senate origins of other bills and the merits of a referendum on abolition, with no vote recorded in the excerpts.

In Question Period the New Democratic Party pressed the government on costs and privacy safeguards in the new Canada-U.S. perimeter security deal. The Prime Minister defended the agreement as essential for jobs and said implementation costs would be modest.

The NDP also challenged the government over a Federal Court ruling that found the agriculture minister had disregarded the rule of law in advancing changes to the Canadian Wheat Board. The Prime Minister and the agriculture minister said the government retains authority to amend the statute and intends to proceed.

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Who held the floor · 2011-12-08

Government (Conservative)OppositionOver the day: government 26%, opposition 74% of the words spokenGovernment businessQuestion PeriodGovernment business▲ Government side held the floor▼ Opposition held the floorOpened 10:0511:0012:0013:0014:0015:0016:0017:00Last speech 18:15Time of day, Ottawa · the House sat 8 h 10 min · each dot is a stretch of debate, placed at the minute it began
49Reform Talk, No Votes PassedThe House devoted most time to debating Senate reform and related bills, with high substantive content but no recorded votes. Only two bills were introduced amid several points of order and mostly deflected answers in question period.AI-rated Score out of 100; the verdict and the answer ratings behind it are a model’s reading. How the AI rates this

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Other moments

Aboriginal Affairs

Liberal MP Bob Rae asked why the Attawapiskat band must pay for third-party management imposed without consultation. The Prime Minister replied that the government is already spending tens of millions and must ensure funds are used effectively.

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National Defence

New Democrat MP Matthew Kellway asked whether the associate minister of national defence agreed with U.S. Senator John McCain that the F-35 program is a scandal. Associate Minister Julian Fantino cited U.S. defence secretary Leon Panetta’s continued support for the joint project.

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The Environment

New Democrat MP Megan Leslie accused the government of sabotaging negotiations and changing its position on a 2015 binding deal. Parliamentary secretary Michelle Rempel said Canada is seeking an agreement that includes all major emitters.

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Agriculture

New Democrat MP Malcolm Allen asked what the government is doing to prevent cross-contamination of organic crops. Agriculture minister Gerry Ritz said new organic standards and ongoing testing protect the sector’s integrity.

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Infrastructure

New Democrat MP Alexandre Boulerice questioned the transfer of $170 million from the green infrastructure fund. Treasury Board president Tony Clement’s office replied that Parliament had approved the transfers through estimates and reports.

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Question Period, exchange by exchange

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  1. partly answered
    Canada-U.S. RelationsMrs. Nycole Turmel (NDP) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). substantive question.Gives a cost estimate but ignores funding source and pivots to attacking NDP.I understand the NDP has, from day one, always been opposed to free trade with the United States, but this is vital to the Canadian economy, improves our access to the American market and will be good for Canadian jobs, Canadian workers and Canadian families.
  2. deflected
    Canada-U.S. RelationsMrs. Nycole Turmel (NDP) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). substantive question.Ignores the storage duration question entirely and repeats attack on NDP trade position.Once again, I know full well that the NDP is opposed to international trade with the United States and that it has been opposed to NAFTA from the outset.
  3. deflected
    Canadian Wheat BoardMrs. Nycole Turmel (NDP) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). substantive question.Addresses the legal authority to change law but avoids the referendum and consultation demand.the government always has the authority to change the law.
  4. partly answered
    Canadian Wheat BoardMr. Pat Martin (NDP) asked Gerry Ritz (Conservative). substantive question.States support from provinces and groups but does not address the court ruling or referendum request.We have three of the four provinces involved in the Canadian Wheat Board jurisdiction and the vast majority of all the farm groups in the Prairies, other than the NFU, supporting us in moving forward.
  5. misdirected
    Canadian Wheat BoardMr. Pat Martin (NDP) asked Gerry Ritz (Conservative). substantive question.Ignores the contempt and Senate passage issues and instead quotes the asker against himself.The member opposite also said at one point: When the government is intending to change legislation, I honestly don't see the grounds for going to court.
  6. answered
    Canadian Wheat BoardBob Rae (Liberal) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). substantive question.Directly addresses the royal assent timing and court ruling by asserting constitutional authority.nothing in the ruling contradicts the government's fundamental right to change the law.
  7. deflected
    Aboriginal AffairsBob Rae (Liberal) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). substantive question.Ignores the third-party management fee question and pivots to general spending and mismanagement.It is the absolute responsibility of the government to ensure that those needs are met and to ensure the management steps are taken to make sure those needs are met.
  8. deflected
    Aboriginal AffairsBob Rae (Liberal) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). loaded question.Avoids the Auditor General and government mismanagement premise and restates spending responsibility.it is not a question of blaming someone, but of taking action and finding solutions.
  9. deflected
    Canada-U.S. RelationsMr. Don Davies (NDP) asked Stephen Harper (Conservative). substantive question.The answer avoids the specific questions by attacking the NDP's stance on trade.Once again, this is the NDP's ideological opposition to trade with the United States, to the point of actually going down to argue against Canadian jobs in Washington.
  10. partly answered
    Canada-U.S. RelationsMs. Hélène Laverdière (NDP) asked John Baird (Conservative). substantive question.Addresses several points raised but emphasizes jobs over full details.We are not planning on changing any privacy laws.
  11. deflected
    Search and RescueMs. Christine Moore (NDP) asked Julian Fantino (Conservative). substantive question.The response ignores the cost question entirely.the minister was called back from a personal vacation to go to work.
  12. partly answered
    Search and RescueMr. Matthew Kellway (NDP) asked Julian Fantino (Conservative). substantive question.Provides some information but avoids giving the specific cost or number of uses.I cannot give the member the exact cost.
  13. deflected
    National DefenceMr. Matthew Kellway (NDP) asked Julian Fantino (Conservative). substantive question.Answers by shifting to positive US commitment instead of addressing McCain's criticism.the U.S. is totally committed to this project.
  14. partly answered
    National DefenceMs. Christine Moore (NDP) asked Julian Fantino (Conservative). substantive question.Explains the position on the program's status.There will be issues ongoing until the final product is delivered to Canada, which is years hence, at which point all these issues will be rectified.
  15. deflected
    The EnvironmentMs. Megan Leslie (NDP) asked Ms. Michelle Rempel (Conservative). loaded question.Challenges the premise of being a laughingstock and promotes their approach.Canada is not a laughingstock. It is a world leader in saying we need domestic action at home.
  16. misdirected
    The EnvironmentMs. Megan Leslie (NDP) asked Ms. Michelle Rempel (Conservative). loaded question.Turns to criticizing the opposition's actions rather than addressing the question.my colleague opposite travelled to the United States and lectured the United States, lobbying against our jobs here in Canada.
  17. partly answered
    AgricultureMr. Malcolm Allen (NDP) asked Gerry Ritz (Conservative). substantive question.Mentions standards and testing but does not address cross-contamination specifically.There is constant testing being done to ensure the efficacy of the organic label is intact.
  18. deflected
    Aboriginal AffairsMr. Kevin Lamoureux (Liberal) asked John Duncan (Conservative). substantive question.Claims knowledge but supplies no data or tabled information on housing conditions.I have a good sense of housing across Canada.
  19. misdirected
    Search and RescueJohn McKay (Liberal) asked John Baird (Conservative). rhetorical question.Ignores the allegations entirely and pivots to praising the minister.we are very pleased that the Minister of National Defence will be representing Canada at this very important NATO meeting.
  20. deflected
    Search and RescueGeoff Regan (Liberal) asked Julian Fantino (Conservative). rhetorical question.Insists the story is unchanged without engaging the specific accusations.
  21. deflected
    Aboriginal AffairsMr. Charlie Angus (NDP) asked John Duncan (Conservative). substantive question.Focuses on taxpayer accountability instead of the salary burden on the community.We believe that we need to be accountable to taxpayers and that is precisely why we have put in place a third party manager.
  22. misdirected
    Aboriginal AffairsMr. Charlie Angus (NDP) asked John Duncan (Conservative). substantive question.Attacks the NDP rather than addressing the cost imposed on the community.Unlike the NDP, we are determined to get results for first nations.
  23. answered
    InfrastructureMr. Alexandre Boulerice (NDP) asked Steven Fletcher (Conservative). substantive question.Directly refutes the claim by citing parliamentary approvals of the transfers.Parliament has approved the transfers of these moneys.
  24. answered
    InfrastructureMr. Alexandre Boulerice (NDP) asked Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). substantive question.Directly counters with specific dates of tabled documents authorizing the transfers.I have before me the parliamentary documents authorizing those transfers.
  25. deflected
    Air TransportationMs. Olivia Chow (NDP) asked Steven Fletcher (Conservative). loaded question.The answer discusses an asset review without naming communities or addressing airport sales or closures.Our government is committed to ensuring that hard-earned tax dollars are used in a prudent and responsible manner.
  26. deflected
    Air TransportationMr. Jamie Nicholls (NDP) asked Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). loaded question.The answer repeats the asset review talking point without identifying airports or discussing impacts on families.Our government is committed to using Canadians' hard-earned money prudently and responsibly.
  27. deflected
    JusticeMr. Jack Harris (NDP) asked Ms. Kerry-Lynne D. Findlay (Conservative). rhetorical question.The answer highlights provincial support and victim focus without addressing the number of studies or admitting error on costs.We are committed to standing up for victims in Canada, and that is exactly what we are going to do.
  28. deflected
    JusticeMs. Françoise Boivin (NDP) asked Ms. Kerry-Lynne D. Findlay (Conservative). loaded question.The answer explains division of powers and transfer increases without addressing whether the government would proceed if it bore the full cost.We have increased transfers to the provinces by 30% since we took government.
  29. misdirected
    The EnvironmentMs. Kirsty Duncan (Liberal) asked Ms. Michelle Rempel (Conservative). loaded question.The answer attacks the opposition's past record on Kyoto instead of addressing the government's current plan or trust issues.when the member opposite talks about no credible plan, I sure hope she is referring to her party's inability to have a plan when it signed the Kyoto protocol.
  30. misdirected
    The EnvironmentMr. Justin Trudeau (Liberal) asked Ms. Michelle Rempel (Conservative). loaded question.The answer shifts to criticizing the prior Liberal government's emissions record and energy policy rather than responding to the accusation of bad faith.emissions increased in this country under his government.
  31. partly answered
    SeniorsMs. Irene Mathyssen (NDP) asked Alice Wong (Conservative). loaded question.The answer addresses elder abuse awareness efforts but does not engage with the question on a plan to reduce seniors' poverty.Following the introduction of a very successful awareness campaign, which will continue through 2012, we also increased funding for elder abuse awareness programs including new horizons.
  32. deflected
    SeniorsMs. Lysane Blanchette-Lamothe (NDP) asked Alice Wong (Conservative). loaded question.The answer lists existing tax relief and GIS measures without addressing whether they solve poverty or provide real security.This includes providing billions in annual tax relief for seniors and pensioners, removing hundreds of thousands of seniors from the tax rolls completely, increasing the GIS exemption and introducing the largest GIS increase in a quarter century.
  33. deflected
    Fisheries and OceansMs. Judy Foote (Liberal) asked Mr. Randy Kamp (Conservative). substantive question.The answer discusses general policy support without addressing the specific request to sign the permits.Sustainability of the resource will be the primary consideration as we move forward on this.
  34. deflected
    International TradeMs. Anne Minh-Thu Quach (NDP) asked Ed Fast (Conservative). substantive question.The answer gives general assurances about protecting interests without addressing the specific patent extension concern.We will only enter into an agreement that is in the best interests of Canada.
  35. misdirected
    Affordable HousingMr. Andrew Cash (NDP) asked Diane Finley (Conservative). substantive question.The answer attacks the NDP's record instead of addressing the housing question.As usual, although the NDP talks a good line, it votes against helping those who really need it.
  36. deflected
    International TradeMr. André Bellavance (Bloc) asked Ed Fast (Conservative). substantive question.The answer repeats broad consultation claims without addressing the request for openness on specific issues.I want to assure the member that this government will only sign an agreement that is in the best interests of Canadians.
  37. deflected
    Business of the HouseMr. Joe Comartin (NDP) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). rhetorical question.The answer shifts to listing government priorities without engaging the criticism of the schedule.one of the most important things we are looking forward to in the next week or so is the passage of the major priority pieces of legislation we have been advancing this fall
  38. misdirected
    PrivilegeMr. Frank Valeriote (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.The answer corrects the premise and disputes the challenge rather than addressing the privilege request.He misrepresented from the outset what Bill C-18 is all about.
  39. deflected
    PrivilegeMr. Frank Valeriote (Liberal) asked Peter Van Loan (Conservative). substantive question.The answer addresses new points raised but avoids the core request regarding the minister's conduct.I would ask for an opportunity for him to come back and speak to that himself.