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Monday, November 23, 2009 · sitting No. 115
Commons debates bill to end faint hope parole for murderers
The House spent the largest share of the sitting on government orders for Bill C-36, the serious time for the most serious crime bill. Paul Calandra told the House the legislation would repeal the faint hope regime for murderers convicted after it takes effect and tighten procedures for those already serving life sentences. The bill, reported back from the justice committee, remained before the House at second reading.
Question period was dominated by exchanges over Afghan detainee transfers. Michael Ignatieff pressed the government on why transfers resumed after pauses and why no public inquiry had been called, while Peter MacKay said operational pauses occurred when Afghan authorities failed to meet transfer-arrangement standards and that remedial steps began as soon as credible allegations surfaced.
Decided that day
- Debate adjourned
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Who held the floor · 2009-11-23
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- partly answeredAfghanistanMr. Michael Ignatieff (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.The answer explains the pauses in transfers but sidesteps the accusation of not telling the truth.
In this instance, and this information is now on the government website, there were three operational decisions taken that resulted in pauses of transfer.
- deflectedAfghanistanMr. Michael Ignatieff (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.The answer shifts to investments made rather than addressing the 15-month delay directly.
As soon as credible allegations came to our attention, we immediately began to invest in Afghan prisons, invest in training, and make substantial investments to ensure that the justice system was improved.
- deflectedAfghanistanMr. Michael Ignatieff (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.The answer attacks the premise of the question and the lack of evidence instead of explaining the timeline or inquiry.
what does not add up is taking leaps of faith without substantiating evidence.
- misdirectedAfghanistanUjjal Dosanjh (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.The answer lists prior reviews instead of addressing the call for a public inquiry.
There has never been a single proven allegation of abuse involving a prisoner transferred by the Canadian Forces, not one.
- misdirectedAfghanistanUjjal Dosanjh (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.The answer accuses the opposition of smearing the forces rather than responding to the inquiry request.
The last thing they want to do is be smeared by members of the opposition suggesting wrongdoing on their part.
- deflectedAfghanistanMr. Gilles Duceppe (Bloc) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.The answer repeats the no proven allegation line and investments while avoiding the Geneva Convention question.
there has not been a single, solitary, proven allegation of a prisoner being abused that was transferred from the Canadian Forces.
- misdirectedAfghanistanMr. Gilles Duceppe (Bloc) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.The answer dismisses the NATO claim as ridiculous and pivots to blaming the prior government.
The Government of Canada does not control the communication policy of 28 NATO member countries.
- deflectedAfghanistanMr. Claude Bachand (Bloc) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.The answer labels the allegation bogus and attacks the question instead of addressing transparency.
- deflectedAfghanistanMr. Claude Bachand (Bloc) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.Answer lists actions taken instead of addressing denial of responsibility under Geneva Convention.
we have taken responsibility. We have acted. We have invested.
- deflectedAfghanistanJack Layton (NDP) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.Answer dismisses the requested numbers as inapplicable and shifts to defending the agreement.
the facts and figures that the hon. member has put forward do not apply to prisoners transferred from the Canadian Forces.
- deflectedAfghanistanJack Layton (NDP) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.Answer insists on proven allegations and quotes an official rather than tabling evidence or addressing the 400 cases.
We are asking for these allegations to be proven. There have been no proven allegations that we can refer to.
- deflectedAfghanistanJack Layton (NDP) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.Answer defends parliamentary process and demands proof instead of agreeing to a public inquiry.
the hon. member demonstrates very little faith in the parliamentary committee and in the independent arm's-length organizations that are currently looking at the issue.
- misdirectedAfghanistanDominic LeBlanc (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.Answer pivots to criticizing the previous government's transfer arrangement rather than addressing legal obligations.
Let the hon. member explain to the House and Canadians why it was that his government, when leaving office, only put in place an inadequate transfer arrangement
- misdirectedAfghanistanDominic LeBlanc (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.Answer attacks prior government and notes no Canadians implicated instead of addressing call for inquiry.
It is also important to remember that the enhanced agreement was put in place by this government because of the failings of the previous administration
- deflectedAfghanistanMarlene Jennings (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.Answer demands credible proven allegations and highlights investments rather than addressing treatment of whistleblowers.
We do want to hear from individuals who can bring forward credible, proven allegations, not just recitations of what was heard
- deflectedAfghanistanMarlene Jennings (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). loaded question.Answer counters with a quote questioning evidence quality instead of addressing the broken promise on whistleblowers.
I think that what set me back is how serious the allegations are and how flimsy the evidence [is].
- deflectedThe EnvironmentMs. Christiane Gagnon (Bloc) asked Jim Prentice (Conservative). loaded question.The answer discusses Canada's role in negotiations but avoids the question's premise about oil company allies.
We will, however, search out something that is superior to Kyoto and that suits our industrial needs, our climate and our geography as Canadians.
- deflectedThe EnvironmentMs. Christiane Gagnon (Bloc) asked Jim Prentice (Conservative). loaded question.The answer reframes the issue to international negotiations without addressing whose interests are being defended.
The issue at Copenhagen is not Canada's domestic plan.
- partly answeredForestry IndustryMr. Jean-Yves Laforest (Bloc) asked Denis Lebel (Conservative). loaded question.The answer explains the softwood lumber agreement and contrasts it with the auto sector but does not address additional funding requests.
The automobile industry does not have such an agreement.
- deflectedEmployment InsuranceMr. Jean-Yves Laforest (Bloc) asked Diane Finley (Conservative). loaded question.The answer lists existing measures but avoids addressing a comprehensive reform of employment insurance.
we have done a great deal to help workers throughout Canada and that includes Quebec workers.
- deflectedAfghanistanBryon Wilfert (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.The answer highlights transparency efforts and improvements but does not address the call for an independent public inquiry.
we have been completely transparent.
- misdirectedAfghanistanBryon Wilfert (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.The answer accuses the asker of not accepting the truth and questions the credibility of a witness instead of providing the requested information.
we have provided the truth but unfortunately the hon. member does not want to accept the truth.
- misdirectedAfghanistanBob Rae (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.The answer attacks the asker's expertise and lists investments rather than tabling the requested briefing notes.
we know the hon. member is not an expert by any means on what happens in Afghan prisons but he can teach lessons on how to smear.
- deflectedAfghanistanBob Rae (Liberal) asked Peter MacKay (Conservative). substantive question.The answer offers to review documents including the prior government's record but does not commit to tabling all requested briefing notes.
We will look at all the documents that will be placed before the parliamentary committee, going back beyond the time that we took office.
- misdirectedThe EnvironmentMs. Linda Duncan (NDP) asked Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Conservative). loaded question.Answer ignores request for apology and climate response, instead discussing an unrelated school visit on tobacco.
The Prime Minister always enjoys hearing from students.
- deflectedThe EnvironmentMs. Linda Duncan (NDP) asked Jim Prentice (Conservative). substantive question.Answer attacks the questioner's party instead of addressing the poll or climate leadership request.
I would remind her that in excess of 83% of the Canadian electorate does not want to see her party running the Government of Canada.
- partly answeredForeign AffairsMs. Francine Lalonde (Bloc) asked Mr. Deepak Obhrai (Conservative). substantive question.Answer states ongoing work with officials but does not address the Charter obligation or specific request to plead the case.
We are working with our consul officials, with the Saudi officials and with everyone to resolve this case, and we will continue to do so.
- partly answeredForeign AffairsMs. Francine Lalonde (Bloc) asked Mr. Deepak Obhrai (Conservative). substantive question.Answer notes priority on children's well-being and past returns but does not address the ransom demand or human rights claim.
However, our priority is to ensure the well-being of the children while Nathalie and her husband resolve their dispute.
- misdirectedIsraelAnita Neville (Liberal) asked Jason Kenney (Conservative). loaded question.Answer attacks the opposition leader's record instead of addressing the claim of partisan use of Israel support.
when the Leader of the Opposition was accusing the Jewish democratic State of Israel of war crimes, our Prime Minister had the decency to defend that state's right of self-protection.
- deflectedTax HarmonizationMs. Chris Charlton (NDP) asked Mr. Ted Menzies (Conservative). substantive question.Answer states it is a provincial matter and deflects to provincial colleagues without addressing federal role or hearings request.
I would suggest that the member take that up with her provincial colleagues.
- misdirectedTax HarmonizationMr. Claude Gravelle (NDP) asked Mr. Ted Menzies (Conservative). loaded question.Answer attacks the NDP's tax record instead of addressing the HST impact on northern heating bills.
We have been in the House and watched members of the NDP sit throughout debates and argue against tax cuts for Canadians and, in the end, vote against them.
- deflectedGovernment ContractsMr. Marcel Proulx (Liberal) asked John Baird (Conservative). substantive question.Answer challenges the asker to provide facts rather than addressing the request for an Elections Canada investigation.
If he has any facts he would like to present before the House or, even more so, outside the House, we would certainly welcome him doing so.
- deflectedLoans and GrantsMr. Nicolas Dufour (Bloc) asked Diane Finley (Conservative). substantive question.The answer promotes the federal grants program without addressing the refusal to transfer funds or respect Quebec's jurisdiction.
we introduced the grants program that allows between $150 a month for middle-income students and $250 a month for low-income students.
- partly answeredPoints of OrderMr. Michel Guimond (Bloc) asked Mr. Dean Del Mastro (Conservative). substantive question.The answer denies the behaviour but offers a conditional apology for any disruption.
I do apologize if the member's colleague found that disruptive.
- deflectedPoints of OrderMs. Linda Duncan (NDP) asked Jim Prentice (Conservative). substantive question.The answer defends the minister's conduct and justifies the remarks without offering the requested apology.
I simply responded with the observation that I could not comment on whether or not the member was disturbed, but that she was confused with respect to the policy basis of the question.